"Jacky's..." debuts at #1 in UK Vinyl Singles Chart; "Low In High School" #85 in 4th week

Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2017 (read-only)' started by davidt, Dec 15, 2017.

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Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2017 (read-only)' started by davidt, Dec 15, 2017.

    1. Uncleskinny
      He did, and was cajoled back. Keep up, will you?
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    2. marred
      That sounds awful. Just walk next time.
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    3. marred
      Boz left the band and then came back? We must've missed that little nugget of news.
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    4. 12" on the slack
      12" on the slack
      G'day mate. Why don't you put another shrimp on the barbie?
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    5. Surface
      I don't know whether he did or he didn't, he always looks really miserable on stage though. On the flip side he always seems happy when he's chatting to folks outside the venues?
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    6. Slap me in the patio
      Slap me in the patio
      Where is frustrated DummyToy with his mocking and hateful comments?
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    7. Truth
      I think it's funny that Mozbots care about sales when it's Morrissey but dislike other musical performers and showbiz hacks for being too popular. Bono and Madonna both come from the same time as Morrissey and judging from the sales they must be a lot better!
      I quit listening to both of them a long time ago but judging from Morrissey's latest music I don't really think they could be worse. And if they did another Live Aid Bono and Madonna would definitely be the UK and US headliners and Morrissey would play at 8am. They probably wouldn't even televise it. You'd have to buy the dvd box set and it would be on disc 8 with "other things that happened." I don't think they even let Morrissey be in Band-Aid, did they? That's really sad when they call Kajagoogoo before they call you, although they did have way better hair.
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    8. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun

      Sorry, Bummy Toy only comes around when he could twist the news to fit his agenda,

      can't twist this ! ......

      JACKY NUMBER ONE !!!!! :D

      MORRISSEY NUMBER ONE !!!!! :rock:

      haters gonna cry.

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    9. Surface
      I'm as big a critic as anyone when Morrissey spouts the shit he does, but pricks like you really piss me off. You have jumped on here as an anon to spout absolute bullshit. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Band Aid? you absolute fucking moron, was released in November 1984 at which time Morrissey was in The Smiths. The Smiths only released their first album in February that same year, so why the fuck would they have been invited to play/sing on the Band Aid release?
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    10. Morrissey-so-old.com

      Ahahahahaha funny but I can’t remember everything in super detail, so some fact will be incorrect but the overall story is true.
    11. Anonymous
      We get the artists that we deserve.

      I happen to love Morrissey and his new album. However, even if you don't, you should be able to acknowledge that it is the work of someone unique that has something to say. (You can say that you don't agree with him, or that he says things clumsily, but if you say that his music is banal pop music with no point of view you are just fucking lying.)

      I played the new album for a musician friend, someone that not familiar with his work beyond How Soon is Now? and they were blown away by the production of Low in High School. As a musician myself, I am in awe of the music alone. Everyone in his band right now plays really smart parts. Gustavo alone is an incredible multi-instrumentalist that seems not only classically trained, but is also someone that really understands sound in general. He is always doing something highly emotional and/or sonically interesting. You can put this album on next to a hip hop record and it holds its own sonically, while still feeling very warm and live. This is not the work of amateurs.

      Lou Reed, Leonard Cohen, David Bowie, and on and on. When we lose artists like this it is not only sad, because we are losing artists that constantly challenge us, but because are culture is not replacing them. I keep abreast of all the latest records and it is so rare that I find something new that is both musically creative and lyrically unique. I understand why some people don't like Morrissey's new record in the same way I understand many people didn't like Lou Reed's Lulu. Both are the work of artists who are acquired tastes.

      Morrissey, like Reed, has never ever compromised his vision. One could argue with things like Lou Reed's Honda Scooter ad, that Morrissey is even more uncompromising than Reed, though I think Reed made work at times that is even more of an acquired taste than Morrissey. (Metal Machine Music, The Raven, and of course Lulu.)

      So lets say you are someone that is not into what Morrissey is currently doing. Would you truly rather not have him make anymore records? How many artists in the rock world have the carte blanche to make expensive records with no market concerns? How many of these artists are making something that you can actually sing along to, that make deeply emotional records that also are full of big ideas? As great as someone like Radiohead may be, their records are somewhat cryptic and I find their music more interesting in an intellectual way. Morrissey is a rare artist that is intellectual, but also someone that still cares about making something in the pop sense, with big vocal hooks, with ideas and emotion out front. I think we're lucky to have him and I think even some of his detractors will miss him when gone.

      I don't know when performers had to start towing a very specific political line. Remember when the Dixie Chicks were crucified over just having said something negative regarding Bush? How many of us laughed at the rubes who smashed their records, records which were not very subversive to begin with. Now because Morrissey has done something that makes those on the left the slightest bit uncomfortable, we're ready to cast him out? (And I would argue that Morrissey has never really changed. He still is someone that gives a voice to outsiders. He is politically light years from Trump and the alt-right.)

      I remember when I read about the song Israel. I have long been against the occupation. Was someone that has meant so much to me taking a political stance that I couldn't stand by. (I don't believe the song, especially in the context of the record, is a blanket endorsement of the Israel government's occupation in the slightest. But that is a topic for another day.) However, I read the Morrissey where he said something along the lines of, people shouldn't be judged by their governments. He said the U.S. and England shouldn't. And truth be told he is right. Just because their government is doing things I don't like, I realized with a clarity I hadn't had before that the people of Israel are probably as varied politically as all other nations. When is the last time you bought a record and it made you think more clearly about something? Even if you don't agree with Morrissey, you have to think in order to to say why he is wrong. That's what art is about!!! It's about making you think and feel strongly, and not always about what you want to be thinking or feeling at a certain time. Fuck, we're so lucky to have him or any artist that can do that!

      Artists aren't running our governments or schools. They have a different standard. They are provocateurs and philosophers at their best. If they make us think, question, and feel they have more than done their job. I'm glad someone like Morrissey is #1 in anything. I wish the pop charts were filled with people like him, instead of songs that sound like they should be played in the back of commercials. You can run him out of town if you like, but we're all so much poorer for it if so. I say thank god he is out there, a strange mutant, running amuck...
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    12. marred
      Most of Morrissey's detractors on this site want him to compromise and to stop saying things they find at odds with their own blinkered beliefs. Basically their constant complaint is he is too much like Morrissey and if only he were less like, um... Morrissey he'd be easier to like.

      The more he upsets them for being his own uncompromising self them more I enjoy him and his new album. One of the most common and boring complaints is if he had only played the game a little he could've been as big as Bowie and the rest. This comes from people who have missed the point entirely.

      Most musicians/singers have absolutely nothing to say or they do but somehow they're just not artful enough in getting it across. The song Jacky's Only Happy When She's Up On The Stage is straight up autobiographical in the way Morrissey does best. That line "No audience telling her what to do!" is one of his best.

      Thanks for the post.

      ps: That type of common sense and reason is going to fall on hysterically deaf ears for some here :)
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    13. King Leer
      King Leer
      What’s a “morning commute”?

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    14. Truth
      What made you so angry about it? I was trying to put myself into the mindset of a person who would believe that selling two thousand vinyl singles was somehow a sign of immense commercial success. I think it worked!
      I'm surprised no one listed that he outsold Bowie, Queen, Liam AND Noel, and even Goat Girl!
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    15. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      Let’s get rid of it all.
      I want the pigeon back.
      And candlelight.
      Fuck electricity. :brows:
    16. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      Well, he could have changed his mind about that. Boz I mean.
      We’ll never know.
    17. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      I gues it is part of his stagepersonage to look miserable in comparison to the other members who look so jolly and amusing themselves.

      In the meantime Boz doesn’t miss one note and is the reliable rock the whole band thrives on.
      The musical director.
      A top professional multi instrumentalist.
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    18. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      Please don’t.
      Now you are provoking him.
      Oh God.
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    19. Mozbra
      You're so wrong...

      It is a great album.

      Go listen to Ed Sheeran.

      I am happy I love Low.
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    20. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      I have to admit I read this post even after being informed the poster is one of the badassed trolls around on this site....
      But the positive side of it is, nobody gives a shit anymore.
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