"It’s weird being an immigrant Muslim Morrissey fan" by Shihab S Joi - HuffPost UK

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By ~El Boydelz~ on Apr 24, 2018 at 3:20 AM
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    1. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Great and honest article. Thanks for posting.
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    2. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      You should never apologise for the words of a racist. You should condemn them. Always.
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    3. Old Mathew
      Old Mathew
      Good Lord you are a fucking bore. You do realize that's not how the world works, don't you? A+ for trolling, I suppose.
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    4. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Which means that you're happy to demean people for something they cannot change about themselves? I will never, ever apologise for my stance. Ever.
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    5. Truth
      Truth
      "As long as he doesn’t release a track called Actually, I Hate Brown People, Particularly You, Yes, You, Shihab, I won’t take it personally."

      This seems fair.
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    6. Old Mathew
      Old Mathew
      That is precisely what makes you a bore. You aren't convincing anyone. Quite sad, really. Good God, should Uncle Skinny ever have an actual conversation! He has two words, which he flings like a monkey with shit.

      Stop with your two-bit vocabulary and maybe you won't be known as the biggest troll around here. I think you may have some points. Speak fucking English, man. Use a fucking subordinate clause beyond "Racist!" "Fascist!" "Shit!" "I been hanging around here for 10 years full of venom!"
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    7. gordyboy9
      gordyboy9
      was watching the news channel yesterday and a poll showed 73 percent of uk citizens think Britain is more divided than it was ten years ago,second highest in Europe after Italy,a lot of people agree with M but will never say it.
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    8. Peppermint
      Peppermint
      Good piece, and refreshing to get a contrasting view. I do find it ironic that this Muslim man, and the poster on here known as William Blake's Seven, who recently told us about his Indian wife and complex multi-racial group of friends and family, have offered the most balanced, objective views on the subject. Curious that the biggest noise has come from predominantly white liberals who are outraged on their behalf.
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    9. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      How do you know the colour of the people who are outraged? No fucker on here discloses their colour.

      He just said he was able to seperate the art and the man. He didn't offer up a defence of him being dodgy.
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    10. Peppermint
      Peppermint
      I don't. And I freely admit I'm taking a leap, and also generalising. But I'd bet that I am, by and large, correct.

      Also, I didn't say that the writer was defending him, I said he was able to be objective. Two different things.
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    11. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      That's rich coming from the disgusting racist man who claims all Morrissey's problems started when he began working with (the dark skinned) Jesse Tobias. Your brand of racism is utterly sickening.
      The louder you shout against racism, the more racist we all realise you actually are. Your Jesse Tobias comment was clearly the tip of the iceberg. Racist scum of the earth.
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    12. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      I didn't get that from it at all, he's able to say, I like the music enough to ignore the other stuff.

      While we're in the business of stereotyping, I'd say we fall into several camps. Racists, Conservatives who have always been happy to turn a blind eye to that stuff, people who agree with Moz whatever he says and defend him to the death, people who can seperate the man and the music and people who've just decided he's beyond worth bothering with.

      I'm going to say that you're in group B.
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    13. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      You don’t have to be a muslim. It isn’t a race. You can leave at any time.
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    14. Anonymous
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      Wow, thanks for that knowledge! I had no idea... Did you learn that in school?
    15. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      There’s at least one other group. Those of us who think if comfortably off middle class whites stopped being outraged over every made up social media storm and jumped off a cliff instead the world would be a better place. The Guardian would go out of business overnight for a start.

      Frankly, if you are wearing t-shirts declaring your political moral superiority I would ask who are you doing it for? The oppressed you meet as you wend your way through life, or yourself and a small cabal of likeminded friends? I have a theory. Those of you claiming to be worried about Nazi Trump or Fascist Theresa aren’t scared of them at all. They are actually scared of those who share their own views. No movement eats itself like the left. In fact, the further left you go the less it is a political ideology, and the more a becomes a cult.
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    16. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      No, you're in group B. Tory is as Tory does.
    17. Peppermint
      Peppermint
      I think your stereotyping calibration is a little off. I don't actively support any particular party, as I have explained on here before, although I have voted for both main parties in the past, depending on what they're offering. It seems you have labelled me racist by association which is fine if it makes you feel better but is so laughably wrong I can't even be bothered to respond. I just like open, diverse views, intelligently expressed and based on facts. For the past few weeks I have listened to two groups of people screeching essentially the same opinion at each other, over and over, each hurling foul abuse, each thinking they have the moral high ground. I have found it quite disgusting. I much prefer some variety in the discourse, preferably by people who really know what they're talking about and who have some sense of proportion. That's all I was trying to say.
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    18. 12" on the slack
      12" on the slack
      White middle class liberal (snowflake) here.

      Not wearing my political moral superiority on a t-shirt. Not a fan of Lena Dunham either. Just defending the basic right for people to get on a fucking train without getting harassed or attacked for who they are or the way they speak.
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    19. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      If you don't take a stand you can't have the open conversation. There are several of us, me included. who've openly expressed that we aren't fans of Islam and welcome discussion but you can't discuss with hateful EDL twats, only oppose. You might not like it but that opposition is a healthy thing unless you want to be goose stepping in a couple of years.
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