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John Lydon’s Public Image Ltd compete to represent Ireland at Eurovision​

The group, AKA PiL, have submitted the song Hawaii, a love letter to Lydon’s wife, Nora Forster, who lives with Alzheimer’s disease. The group described it as “a pensive, personal yet universal love song that will resonate with many”, and will perform it – alongside Ireland’s other Eurovision hopefuls – during the heat to determine the nation’s competitor on the Late Late Show on 3 February.

 
Honk honk! I'd give him the job :lbf:

 
From Moscow with Love 🙃

 
but if it's dead, the West is killing itself and its own, after almost dispatching the rest into Kingdom Come.

The West is killing itself because its nation states are governed by people like you. Sorry if I'm telling you something you didn't already know:
Anyone who gives this post a thumb down is a middle management type!

I'd love to find out how you managed to get from "I won't defend their right to say anything" to "in other words the main point is to verbally abuse others not agreed with". That's not what I said, so if you'd be so kind as to take me through your thought process to show me how you got from point A to your fictional point B, I'd appreciate it. And try not to make it one of your usual Pseuds' Corner posts, please.

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Perhaps it's time to remind yourself of posting guidelines around here - https://www.morrissey-solo.com/general-posting-policy/
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Since you're such a fan of rules, you should love the UK government's illegal migration bill. Boats travelling across the channel as they have been doing is chaos; with this bill they'll attempt supposedly to put measures in place to stop it from continuing. As you seem to like everything to be done by the book, what's the problem? One would think that this would be right up your alley: rules, glorious rules!

On the subject of everything being done by the book: this post of yours has almost nothing to do with Gary Lineker. You contacted a moderator a couple of days ago and got them to remove my post to Malarkey from this thread because it had nothing to do with Gary Lineker, so shouldn't you lead by your own example and ask for your post to be moved to off-topic as well?
The Nick Ferrari sentence that you chucked in doesn't count as staying on topic.

Also, your constant thumbing down of my posts is targeted harassment. I only downvote your posts after I've read them and was struck by something foolish in them, which admittedly happens fairly frequently. You wrote a couple of posts in the animal thread yesterday and I left them alone. I dish out my thumbs with consideration. You, on the other hand, downvote every post you see from me no matter the topic. I don't believe you're even reading all of them, you just see my name and you hit the thumb, which I would argue goes against the site's guidelines. If this keeps happening I might have to ask a moderator to look into it!
 
So your point is what happening to the West is good because it’s getting a taste of its own medicine?!
Not good but happening; and not getting a taste of it's own medicine (except maybe in Ukraine, 200,000 dead already, for those who believe a proxy war's taking place, in which case the West is doing it to itself ) which would consist of experiencing heavily militarised illegal invasions, much slaughter, extraction of resources and forced restructuring and debt, instead of a few desperate people rowing up on the shores begging for asylum.

The population of the West, US, Europe, Australia and UK combined, is about 15% of the world population, a portion that has badly mistreated the rest in the past few centuries. In a time of pen and paper, how did Ellis Island manage to process millions coming in? America especially is the 'melting pot' of nationalities, with other Western nations of mixed compositions too. So overwhelmingly, migrants or refugees being kept out already have ties to the West. Manufacture outsourcing depends on their labour. The interdependencies in all directions militate against militant immigration, and point instead to the need for humanitarian agreements and a focus on increased trade in services instead of arms and surveillance. Wouldn't that be more gentle and kind?
 
The West is killing itself because its nation states are governed by people like you. Sorry if I'm telling you something you didn't already know:


I'd love to find out how you managed to get from "I won't defend their right to say anything" to "in other words the main point is to verbally abuse others not agreed with". That's not what I said, so if you'd be so kind as to take me through your thought process to show me how you got from point A to your fictional point B, I'd appreciate it. And try not to make it one of your usual Pseuds' Corner posts, please.

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Since you're such a fan of rules, you should love the UK government's illegal migration bill. Boats travelling across the channel as they have been doing is chaos; with this bill they'll attempt supposedly to put measures in place to stop it from continuing. As you seem to like everything to be done by the book, what's the problem? One would think that this would be right up your alley: rules, glorious rules!

On the subject of everything being done by the book: this post of yours has almost nothing to do with Gary Lineker. You contacted a moderator a couple of days ago and got them to remove my post to Malarkey from this thread because it had nothing to do with Gary Lineker, so shouldn't you lead by your own example and ask for your post to be moved to off-topic as well?
The Nick Ferrari sentence that you chucked in doesn't count as staying on topic.

Also, your constant thumbing down of my posts is targeted harassment. I only downvote your posts after I've read them and was struck by something foolish in them, which admittedly happens fairly frequently. You wrote a couple of posts in the animal thread yesterday and I left them alone. I dish out my thumbs with consideration. You, on the other hand, downvote every post you see from me no matter the topic. I don't believe you're even reading all of them, you just see my name and you hit the thumb, which I would argue goes against the site's guidelines. If this keeps happening I might have to ask a moderator to look into it!

You you you you you. Bearing out my observation of your overriding ad hominen fondness.

I did what with a moderator?! The only time I thumb down posts by you is after I see you've thumbed down mine, even some with no opinion content at all, which is a pathetic little game, but what else can you do with born haranguers?
 
Not good but happening; and not getting a taste of it's own medicine (except maybe in Ukraine, 200,000 dead already, for those who believe a proxy war's taking place, in which case the West is doing it to itself ) which would consist of experiencing heavily militarised illegal invasions, much slaughter, extraction of resources and forced restructuring and debt, instead of a few desperate people rowing up on the shores begging for asylum.

The population of the West, US, Europe, Australia and UK combined, is about 15% of the world population, a portion that has badly mistreated the rest in the past few centuries. In a time of pen and paper, how did Ellis Island manage to process millions coming in? America especially is the 'melting pot' of nationalities, with other Western nations of mixed compositions too. So overwhelmingly, migrants or refugees being kept out already have ties to the West. Manufacture outsourcing depends on their labour. The interdependencies in all directions militate against militant immigration, and point instead to the need for humanitarian agreements and a focus on increased trade in services instead of arms and surveillance. Wouldn't that be more gentle and kind?
The key word there is 'process.' people have to enter through legal routes. the other aspect you've totally ignored is that the migration through Ellis island happened at a time when mixed economies Capitalism and Socialism were not a thing. if you'd said 'health care is a human right' back in those days the response would've been, 'what's health care?'

Since those early days, those same evil largely western democracies have developed economic systems that have a strong social welfare component, free housing, health are, dole/pension etc etc. In order to not overwhelm the economic infrastructure of your country you have to consider immigration very carefully, otherwise you break the system. We've totally overcooked it here in NZ and that is no fault of the immigrant, that is down to successive govts wanting to flood the zone with cheap immigrant labour. So yeah we had 20 years of positive GDP all the while our roads have become log jammed, the price of property has gone through the roof, our health system is collapsing.

Clearly the West needs immigration, we aren't producing enough children to replace the current population, but the unhinged and reckless throwing opening of the doors has weakened our country for the worse. And this has nothing to do with the colour of the immigrant, simply put the numbers don't add up, although for sure in certain parts of the UK and Europe many immigrants have not assimilated, crime is high in those migrant areas etc etc. Again the infrastructure was not in place to provide a better experience for the new arrival.

Yes, there are other considerations such as economic policy, shifting govt priorities etc, but IMHO they are all entwined and leads me to conclude that the West is indeed ded.

James Goldsmith nailed the dangers of Globalism almost 30 years ago.

 
Between the "gentleness and kindness" (aka weakness) post and the "the west is dead but clearly we need more immigration" post (just keep shovelling more topsoil onto the corpse or what?), I have nothing more to say in this thread. The civil servant type and the landlord can sort it out between themselves; whatever it is that they're even arguing/in disagreement about.

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Between the "gentleness and kindness" (aka weakness) post and the "the west is dead but clearly we need more immigration" post (just keep shovelling more topsoil onto the corpse or what?), I have nothing more to say in this thread. The civil servant type and the landlord can sort it out between themselves; whatever it is that they're even arguing/in disagreement about.

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Why have you got such a hard on that I own property? Don’t you own any yourself?

What is your solution to declining birth rates? You like to complain like a bitch about a bunch of stuff whilst offering zero by way of remedies.
 
Why have you got such a hard on that I own property? Don’t you own any yourself?

What is your solution to declining birth rates? You like to complain like a bitch about a bunch of stuff whilst offering zero by way of remedies.
Declining birth rates should be resolved within each country by implementing incentives or further support mechanisms to encourage a given country’s citizens to have kids before it’s too late. A sufficient layer of support should exist, whether social or financial, to at least minimally facilitate the ability of the majority contributing members of a society to create, maintain, and normally continue with the expectation that a traditional family unit should be within their reach and within the normal realm of life’s possibilities if desired. Allowing and arguing for the “rights” of illegal migrants to come by the millions instead, is not a solution to declining birth rates in Italy or indeed anywhere else. Those migrants still need to be supported, and we’re at the point where countries are not taking care of their own children, citizens, their elderly, or the infirm, at the expense and madness that cones with instead diligently enforcing the WEF-led policies and agenda. It’s nonsense, it’s criminal, and it still doesn’t even begin to touch on the root of the problems for any of the countries caught up in this swirling trash heap of puerile, do-gooder migration “policies”.

Each country should worry about cleaning up their own shit before oh-so-sanctimoniously pretending that that they’re cleaning up shit everywhere else
 
Declining birth rates should be resolved within each country by implementing incentives or further support mechanisms to encourage a given country’s citizens to have kids before it’s too late. A sufficient layer of support should exist, whether social or financial, to at least minimally facilitate the ability of the majority contributing members of a society to create, maintain, and normally continue with the expectation that a traditional family unit should be within their reach and within the normal realm of life’s possibilities if desired. Allowing and arguing for the “rights” of illegal migrants to come by the millions instead, is not a solution to declining birth rates in Italy or indeed anywhere else. Those migrants still need to be supported, and we’re at the point where countries are not taking care of their own children, citizens, their elderly, or the infirm, at the expense and madness that cones with instead diligently enforcing the WEF-led policies and agenda. It’s nonsense, it’s criminal, and it still doesn’t even begin to touch on the root of the problems for any of the countries caught up in this swirling trash heap of puerile, do-gooder migration “policies”.

Each country should worry about cleaning up their own shit before oh-so-sanctimoniously pretending that that they’re cleaning up shit everywhere else
Where pray tell do you see me arguing for the rights of illegal immigrants?
 
What scanty said!! Thank God she responded and now I don't have to, I didn't think I could face into it. If I felt like I had to give a lengthy response I would have gone with providing incentives for native families to have more children as well, which I thought should be obvious, but apparently not if you've spent years watching Dave Rubin, The Weinsteins, Ben Shapiro, and shabbos goy Jordan Peterson (each of whom has a very different vision for Israel than for the countries in which they reside -- just like bhops does! Fancy that!).
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But yes, while I happen to think the prospect of depopulation and the risks associated with it are blown out of proportion, the healthy 'remedy' would be to provide incentives for native families to have children unless your country is on a suicide mission.

Where pray tell do you see me arguing for the rights of illegal immigrants?

Where pray did Scanty say she saw you arguing for the rights of illegal immigrants? She was talking about people who do argue for it, not that you were arguing for it. This is why I'm grateful that I didn't have to provide you with a lengthy response.
 
What scanty said!! Thank God she responded and now I don't have to, I didn't think I could face into it. If I felt like I had to give a lengthy response I would have gone with providing incentives for native families to have more children as well, which I thought should be obvious, but apparently not if you've spent years watching Dave Rubin, The Weinsteins, Ben Shapiro, and shabbos goy Jordan Peterson (each of whom has a very different vision for Israel than for the countries in which they reside -- just like bhops does! Fancy that!). But yes, while I happen to think the prospect of depopulation and the risks associated with it are blown out of proportion, the healthy 'remedy' would be to provide incentives for native families to have children unless your country is on a suicide mission.



Where pray did Scanty say she saw you arguing for the rights of illegal immigrants? She was talking about people who do argue for it, not that you were arguing for it. This is why I'm grateful that I didn't have to provide you with a lengthy response.
Give me some ‘healthy remedies with specifics thanks. I assume you mean something like Hungary is doing? depopulation is a real thing and hardly overblown. If it wasn’t a real thing you wouldn’t have any worries about immigrants outbreeding the native population would you?

and while you’re at it address the reason why you’re so butthurt that I own a couple of investment properties. Seems such a strange thing to take umbrage at. Pretty please.
 
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