It’s not about politics
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I'm just expressing what's on my mind. Musing and pondering is harmless.Listen Pip....dear//Real-Fountain.......going down a dangerous zone.
I have no power over other people's opinions. They can cordially agree or disagree.
Or try to prove me wrong.
My ideas are not set in stone. I may even be wrong. I'm open minded about that.
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Fabulous. I will look her up.
Enjoy. She's very pleasing on the eye.
Stephen Hofmann
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Nods. Just don't go too far into the Mark Collett "All Jews are bad" line....because it's bollocks.
All Jews are not bad... I shouldn't even have to say that. There are loads of writers, musicians and actors I love who are jewish for example.
I'm talking about intellectuals and others Jews in powerful positions who use their privilege to spread negativity against whites. These Jews do exist.
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I am a practicing Catholic, so I can't talk... & I understand people not wanting religion to infringe on other people's rights.
Also I'm in The Labour Party, so again can't talk... but, For Britain is like some 1970s dystopian satire. An Irish British Nationalist? Leading a party that believes unborn children are part of a plot to take over Europe by The House of Saud, who couldn't even secretly murder a hack? It's kooky beyond belief.
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Christ is king!
also brigitta in the sound of music! which is not quite as good as liesl in the sound of music.
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So, I've seen her quite a lot then!
I'm always hoping to turn into The Baroness & travel the world with my dodgy gay best friend getting turned down by Captains who prefer Nuns.
It's the dream.
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Nerak.....come now......Labour /Liberals/SNP and the left are beyond satire these days.
I KNOW!!! ☹☹☹☹
Stephen Hofmann
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Least your honest.
nicky wire's legs
Christ is king!
it could happen!!
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I think Bernie Sanders slipped in the Solo forum disguised as FC.
To dream the impossible dream, to fight the unbeatable foe, to bear with unbearable sorrow.... 
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I didn't understand Skipper's relationship with Gilligan when I watched this show but I think they were one of tv's most prominent gay couples, up there with Bert and Ernie.
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Last of the famous international screw ups.
Do you really believe any of this?? So you're telling me that free health for all, free education for all, student loan cancellation, a national minimum wage of $15/hr and a guaranteed job for anyone that wants one is going to be paid for with a modest tax hike? Is that really what you're trying to sell me?
I recently came across an interesting article by Brian Riedl that unpacks the actual stats behind Bernie's plans. Firstly he looks at the total cost of Bernie's plans:
All told, Sanders’s current plans would cost as much as $97.5 trillion over the next decade, and total government spending at all levels would surge to as high as 70 percent of gross domestic product. Approximately half of the American workforce would be employed by the government. The ten-year budget deficit would approach $90 trillion, with average annual deficits exceeding 30 percent of GDP.
Cool, now we have some pricing lets see where it comes from:
The $97.5 trillion price tag is made up mostly of the costs of Sanders’s three most ambitious proposals. Sanders concedes that his Medicare For All plan would increase federal spending by “somewhere between $30 and $40 trillion over a 10-year period.” He pledges to spend $16.3 trillion on his climate plan. And his proposal to guarantee all Americans a full-time government job paying $15 an hour, with full benefits, is estimated to cost $30.1 trillion. The final $11.1 trillion includes $3 trillion to forgive all student loans and guarantee free public-college tuition—plus $1.8 trillion to expand Social Security, $2.5 trillion on housing, $1.6 trillion on paid family leave, $1 trillion on infrastructure, $800 billion on general K-12 education spending, and an additional $400 billion on higher public school teacher salaries.
But don't worry though, he does add in Bernie's savings from Medicare for all, not that it makes much difference to the overall budget.
This unprecedented outlay would more than double the size of the federal government. Over the next decade, Washington is already projected to spend $60 trillion, and state and local governments will spend another $29.7 trillion from non-federal sources. Adding Sanders’s $97.5 trillion—and then subtracting the $3 trillion saved by state governments under Medicare For All—would raise the total cost of government to $184 trillion, or 70 percent of the projected GDP over ten years
So now you have Bernie's plan costing a whopping 70 percent of GDP. Still that's OK because the much vaunted Scandinavian countries spend this type of GDP percentage on social programs, right? Wrong.
Such spending would far exceed even that of European social democracies. The 35 OECD countries average 43 percent of GDP in total government spending. Finland’s 57 percent tops the list, edging France and Denmark. Meantime, Sweden and Norway—regularly lauded as models for the U.S.—spend just under 50 percent of GDP. The U.S. government, at all levels, spends between 34 percent and 38 percent of GDP, depending on how one calculates.
And all of this paid for with a 'modest' tax hike!! Think again.
Sanders’s agenda is virtually impossible to pay for. Adding $97.5 trillion in new spending to an underlying $15.5 trillion projected budget deficit (under current policies) creates a ten-year budget gap of $113 trillion. Yet Sanders’s tax proposals would raise at most $23 trillion over the decade.
Now lets take a closer look at Medicare for all,
His Medicare For All financing worksheet contains $16.2 trillion in mostly-broad-based tax increases, which rises to $19.3 trillion after replacing the worksheet’s original $1.3 trillion wealth tax with the recent $4.35 trillion version. Social Security expansion would be financed by $1.8 trillion in new payroll and investment taxes. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the financial-transactions tax intended to pay for Sanders’s college agenda would raise $777 billion. The climate proposal and family-leave proposals each contain approximately $200 billion in specified tax increases. Repealing the 2017 tax cuts—beyond what is already accounted for in other proposals—would raise at most $1 trillion. Sanders has backed away from his previous support for a carbon tax.
Well all we need to do is make some cuts to the military and tax those pesky rich even more!!
Yet these $23 trillion in proposed taxes would still leave a staggering $90 trillion budget deficit, or 34 percent of GDP. Closing the rest of the gap—which comes to $66,000 per household annually—is basically impossible. Given that Sanders already maximizes taxes on the wealthy, that leaves the payroll tax or a value-added tax (VAT) to raise the rest. The CBO claims that each 1 percentage-point increase in the payroll tax raises $0.9 trillion over the decade, thus requiring an extra 100 percent rate on top of the 27.2 percent proposal. Alternatively, a European-style VAT would raise $0.4 trillion per percentage point, thus requiring an absurd 225 percent tax rate to close the remaining $90 trillion budget gap. Cutting defense spending to NATO’s European target of 2 percent of GDP would save just $3 trillion. Even seizing all $82 trillion in household financial assets would be insufficient.
Oh and while we're at it Riedl takes a closer look at Bernie's job guarantee scheme and minimum wage,
The massive cost of the proposed government-job guarantee has rarely been analyzed and requires a deeper explanation. Sanders would guarantee a full-time job paying at least $15 per hour with full benefits—and nearly guaranteed job security—to anyone who wants one. A report commissioned by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities calculated that a more modest version of this proposal—paying a minimum wage of $11.83—would cost the government $56,000 per full-time employee when including benefits and administrative costs. Factoring in 4 percent annual cost growth, 1 million participants would cost $672 billion over the next decade.
Participation would surely include the 11.3 million jobless Americans who are either actively seeking a job or have stopped looking but still want to work. That would cost $7.6 trillion over the decade. Yet 42.4 percent of the workforce—or nearly 67 million workers—earns less than $15 per hour. Proponents assume that employers will offer large raises and new benefits to keep these employees in their current jobs. Assuming even half of them instead switch to a government job for the higher pay, job security, and/or (likely) easier work, enrollment would increase to 45 million, at a cost of $30 trillion over the decade.
Apparently Bernie's Medicare for All scheme is also a little vague tax details,
Medicare For All is a major driver of Sanders’s budget deficits. The proposal would essentially replace all health premiums and out-of-pocket expenses with a new “single-payer tax” and federal provision of health care. Despite their assertions that families would come out ahead—that their health taxes would be lower than past premiums and out-of-pocket costs—Medicare For All proponents have failed to design a tax that could replace the current $35 trillion spent by families, businesses, and state governments. Sanders’s Medicare For All legislation includes no tax mechanism, and his worksheet of tax options adds up to just $19 trillion. Fully funded Medicare For All legislation doesn’t exist.
All in all under Bernie's scheme the govt would become the largest employer in America,
Sanders’s agenda would result in approximately half the American workforce working for government. Current government employment at all levels is just under 23 million; the job guarantee would likely attract 45 million new participants. More than 16 million private health-care employees would essentially become government employees. Approximately 1 million new employees would likely be needed to staff other policies such as the job guarantee. That’s 85 million total government employees out of a 170-million-person American workforce, minus any individuals overlapping between these groups.
Don't get me wrong all the free stuff Bernie is promising sounds great and in a perfect society health, education and everything else under the sun would be free. Except it's not free is it?
