It’s not about politics

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  2. Derek17

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    He does look like the type to be squealing about the "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!" conspiracy theory. Well done.
     
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    Next you'll post a picture of Trump with Hillary and Bill.

    We know very well the circles that Trump involved himself in. So you can't have it both ways. Either the devil horns point to "the Illuminati" or they don't. What are you really arguing? That Trump and Obama are pretending to be on different teams? Are they working together?

    Or maybe Trump "fit in" with the people he associated with, and in the process learned a great deal about some of the fucked up shit that goes on in those circles. That is an example of politics, just as Trump has been doing with Macron and Merkel. Trump is not friends with Macron and Merkel. He doesn't engage in their customs because he is one of them; he does so to appease them now and let them carry out their plan to get him to stay in the Iran deal so he can counter later.

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

    Do you really think some red-flags weren't raised for Trump when his friend JFK Jr. died in a plane crash? Do you really think he didn't raise his eyebrows when 9/11 happened knowing what he knows about buildings?

    Start thinking, man. Your memes, Mockingbird Media lies, and out of context photos are not helping to make your version of events more probably accurate. Try harder!
     
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    One of my favourite TV moments, EVAAAAAAAA. I know most here will hate Trump but give the playa some credit, that was a great burn :lbf::lbf::lbf::lbf::lbf:

     
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    The best part is he wasn't bluffing.

    Trump has always been hilarious and he was obviously preferable to Hillary and World War III even when I had my doubts about how much of a difference he would be able to make in the long-run. Now, though, the fact that he is delivering more significantly than anyone could have ever imagined is amazing.

    The last two years have taught me without a doubt to trust my gut.
     
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    Always be suspicious when the media and the banks order you to hate somebody...
     
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    The media's job is simply to sell commercial time and promote fear. They have always done a great job of this. The only thing to fear is the news itself!
     
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  11. firstodie..

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    Very true my friend. There's an udeniable bias. It's not very good really. But we have to get our news from somewhere. I think it's a real problem though. Something needs to be done.
     
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    Well with polar opposites of Fox News and CNN it is doubtful any movement will occur in this regard. All the comedy "news" shows here in the U.S. are so biased and one-sided that they are completely bereft of humor. A well balanced study of current events results in the sound of crickets on a summer night. Walter Cronkite has rolled over so many times in his grave that he is dizzier than a guy riding a spinning amusement park ride 100 times in a row!
     
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    I didn't like Trump at first. I wouldn't say I love him now but he doesn't appear to be wrecking the constitution to the extent I thought he might and I think he's the type who could blunder into making momentous breakthroughs on the world stage even though he initially espoused American isolationism. I like how he's got the two Koreas talking especially after calling Kim la de da all those names. I don't know how I'd feel about his domestic policies if I was American so I don't want to be too patronising. I also liked his unequivocal response to the chemical attack in Syria, and the expulsion of so many Russian diplomats in support of the UK. Conversely, here, I felt the press were pitifully biased against Jeremy Corbyn when he first became Labour leader, but as time's gone on he appears to be a procrastinator and a pedant who get's bogged down in small print and ends up saying nothing.
     
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    Stay in bed!
     
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    Very true. And the haters will say "but, but, you're being a snowflake! Free speech! I thought humour had no limits!" and such stuff. The truth is, though, that humour is supposed to come from a positive place. Humour can't come from overt hatred and anger. It really just doesn't work very well. Think John Oliver and Stephen Colbert. The people who like them still, for the most part, are not laughing in a happy and positive way but rather tend to relish in some kind of vengeful zest. Bill Maher, occasionally, is funny, but the vengefulness, pettiness, and anger always manage to creep in. Certainly, this stuff becomes tired and boring when it's all you focus on as a "comedian."

    And then, of course, there are the double-standards. We must be good feminists and respect women, but then again, if the woman happens to be conservative, libertarian, or even non-political and just refuses the mainstream cult in the wrong way, then go ahead and say whatever you want about her as we all cheer and snigger.

    I am all for freedom of expression, but freedom of expression allows for individuals to critique how that expression is used. That's how it should be rather than institutions holding power over freedom of expression, as is the case with the media industrial complex and its supporters.

    Humour isn't supposed to be angry and negative, at least in the vast majority of cases. Humour isn't supposed to be selective either. What we have now with comedians is this strange selection of negative and angry jokes that are heavily policed in one regard to be politically correct and on the other hand are targeted in a vicious manner toward only certain acceptable individuals and groups.

    As mentioned above, something needs to be done, especially in regard to the purportedly serious news shows. All of this nonsense with unnamed sources and speculative interpretation is not what people tune in to the news for. We don't need panels on every subject to interpret events for us and tell us exactly what we must think. It's all so absurd. The format needs to be changed and some clear journalistic standards need to be (re)-established. If I wanted to watch The View, I would watch The View. Now everything is The View.
     
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    I think you will find that Trump's actions are much more deliberate than they may seem at first. The future will prove the past.
     
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    To be fair if everything was reported purely factually you would probably hold extremely different views as it appears clear that you have bought into a distinct narrative. The same would be said for most of us seeing as the majority of what is force fed to us is utter horse shit.
     
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    Obviously I can't speak for Derek but I watch a whole range of news outlets, everything from Fox to CNN, to internet sources such as Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin have a ton on interesting guests from all political spectrums right through to the Young Turks, alongside my own individual research in order to arrive at my own conclusions. I'm, a conservative, I believe in lower taxes, I believe in property rights, I believe in personal responsibility, I don't believe there is really anything that govt can do better than private enterprise and to that extent I strongly believe in limited govt. I don't swallow everything that comes from the right side of aisle, for instance I have a ton of things that I found unsettling with the last Bush presidency, most notably the Iraq war. I like mostly what Trump has done but not everything. He could've handled Charlottesville better, I'm still not sold on his trillion dollar infrastructure plan.

    I'm pretty sure that from a 'factual' basis my views wouldn't change a jot, because as a Conservative I (mostly) find Progressive or Left leaning solutions to social and economic problems to be the worst. The idea of some Marxist/egalitarian dystopia scares me. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality of opportunity, but what you do with that opportunity is entirely up to the individual and I feel that better reflects the reality of human nature. I'll end with one last caveat that I also agree with Jordan Peterson that we must ensure for the sake of a healthy functioning society that the gulf in wealth in the middle class doesn't get too large, it's when the middle class starts spiralling into debt and destruction that we have real problems. When I say 'Middle Class' (because I know it has a slightly different meaning in Britain) I'm talking abut people that have a solid job that allows home ownership, the ability to educate their kids and save for retirement, take a decent holiday once a year, that type of thing.

    To that end (and here is where I guess I sound a little like a conspiracy theorist) those that currently sit at the very tip of the power structure, the truly elite and wealthy, aren't capitalists so much as they desire a totalitarian outcome where only a very very very select few hold ALL the money and ALL the power. That's a very monopolistic outcome and I think it's something that both conservatives capitalists and liberal socialists would agree upon.

    Maybe Derek has something further to add.
     
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    I'm struggling to see how anyone can justify the difference between what the top are earning now and what the bottom are earning. This is the outcome of what happens when the socialist element is ripped from the thinking through concerted media campaigns over decades. People may become convinced that this wealth gap is healthy over a source of misinformation over time but I can't see how it benefits anyone, from top to bottom. The eventual outcome of a massive wealth gap is unrest.

    As for Trump, I'm not sure any President has that much sway. Republicans over time have been more productive when they have an idiot in charge, Democrats seem to be hamstrung the smarter the guy in charge. I'd argue whether over ther or over here the politicians are just doing what their masters tell them. The economy has ebbs and flows because the system dictates that and whoever is in charge will get the glory or the defeat but not much changes because we're basically run by whoever buys the politicians. Trump and his entourage included. They all get judged with hindsight on where they fall in the booms and the busts.
     
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    Tell me Charlie what is your ideal economic system? Would you like to dismantle capitalism completely? If not how would you restructure it? For instance what would your top tax rates be? What socialist elements would you like to see introduced?
     
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