Is Jackie about Brexit, Britain, or not?

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  1. Irregular Regular

    Irregular Regular Forget my fate.

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    He also said that When You Open Your Legs is about a bicycle. I believe him, there is no other interpretation.
    Joking aside, I remain convinced Jacky is about Morrissey himself.

    Moz is only happy when he's up on the stage
    He'll make you believe what you'll never believe...
     
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  2. Eraserhead

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    I agree, but why can’t it be both?
     
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    It's about Jackie Collins,

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    Can't see any sexual neglect there!
     
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  5. Quando quando quando

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    Uhm, don’t wanna be pedantic, which I know I can be sometimes, but didn’t he say before he started to sing the song live, “This song is about cycling” to the audience? :p
     
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  6. countthree

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    Since Morrissey said Jacky is not about Britain, that's it for me. If he had not said anything, it could well be interpreted as the use of a rhetorical figure called personification and that would fit with Brexit. I prefer to think it's about a female performer, an actress who lived better times ;)
     
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  7. Anonymous

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    oh NO, not AGAIN ! Sorry ACTON but this one has already been covered - in full & at length - in an earlier post. With "objective" opinion from "The Gang".....

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  8. Anonymous

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    Did he not say Brexit was"magnificent"
     
  9. Anonymous

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    You do know that the song is about himself? It’s him speaking to his audience as he approaches giving up a life on the stage. He’s saying that it’s all been a joy and soon we will all walk out that door, never to return.
     
  10. Lost and found

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    IMG_20180904_192501.jpg I think the song could be about Jackie Curtis, an actress from Warhol's Factory. Though her/his name is spelled another way. The one from Lou Reed's "Walk on the wild side":
    Jackie is just speeding away,
    Thought she was James Dean for a day
    Then I guess she had to crash, Valium would have helped that bash...

    Just a version.
     
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  11. Peppermint

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    Interesting. And there's another connection, too. Jackie Curtis was in Warhol's Flesh starring Joe Dalessandro, a still from which was used as the cover art for the Smiths first album.
     
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  12. Anonymous

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    He’s been playing that movie in his intro as well. Could be but I don’t know enough about this person to say yay or nay. I do feel though that if it was about brexit he would have mentioned such in some interview in the past year as he’s not been exactly shy with his views
     
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    could be,good find.certainly more plausible than Brexit.
     
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    I agree, Gordy. The Brexit thing is really clunky, it just doesn't make any sense. Granted, he definitely shouts 'Brexit' a few times at the end in the live versions, but I think that's just him having fun winding everybody up, and because it rhymes.
     
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    More than his political views, or the likely identification with this Jackie person (I know I should research drag queens more than superficially, but every time I see Andy Warhol's face I die of boredom. It's like when I hear Lou Reed's voice, I feel like I've just had a sedative shot. I totally believe they were exciting at one point but...Nah who am I kidding.) , it's the apparent nod to R. Kelly that's disturbing I find. WTF? Who's he? Who listens to R.Kelly? Did Morrissey think people were going to be tickled? Er, fyi, fail.

    That and the fact that he doesn't button his shirt anymore seem to indicate he's now free of any inhibition, like really old people, and believes he can do absolutely anything he fancies doing without any consequence.
    Like, apparently he's really into the 70's porn film director look. Maybe someone told him he looked sexy like that and he believed them. Or the football coach/ retired PE teech look. That totally works too if unzipped. Just a touch of nail polish maybe...And a t.shirt with badly drawn animals on it a 5 y.o wouldn't wear... But really all you need to know is that in his head he's a drag queen.
    Only problem is he can't bring himself to look like one.



    Anyway, Morrissey probably believes he can flyyy n all now....which is handy when you're a cuckoo...

    It pains me to insert the link, but some people here can't read, so...time to face the music.

     
  16. countthree

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    Respect, please.
     
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  17. Lost and found

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    He is Morrissey. He never needed any glitter to shine.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    I'm surprised no one mentioned Shoplifters of the World. Autobiography, anyone? The label told him to lie about the meaning of the song so people would play it... or something. He said something about "spiritual shoplifting". Anyway, Jackie is a mostly anodyne song without the Brexit context, so isn't it possible that the label might tell him to lie about it's meaning in order to get it on the radio?
     
  19. Peppermint

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    I don't buy the Brexit thing, but he lied about Shoplifters in Autobio. I'm pretty sure it's about the Clause 28 anti-gay laws in the 80s (ie 'shirtlifters') - it's been discussed on here at length.
     
  20. Old Mathew

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    Yeah, it's a compelling argument, and I've read the threads, but it could equally just be face value and another expressions of his romance of petty criminals, which exists throughout his work (Rusholme Ruffians, Now My Heart is Full, "pretty petty thieves," etc., etc.). What did he say in Autobiography, though? I don't recall.
     
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