Is Jackie about Brexit, Britain, or not?

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  1. Uncleskinny

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    How do you know?
     
  2. Surface

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    I thought Morrissey himself said it wasn't about Brexit in that Times interview or am I missing something?
     
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    Well, yes, but as I posted above, he would say that, wouldn't he. He doesn't have a great track record of being truthful about songs.
     
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    There's no mention or even hint of it in the lyrics ? Plus explicit denial in interview. Short of taking a full page advert in the national dailies there's not much else he can do ? That said the lyrics are likely to be playfully altered at least once live in the U.K.
     
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    Well, yeah, but there are so many layers. For example, The Queen Is Dead is a very clever bit of lyric writing, but ultimately it's about the man not wanting to be overtly gay anymore...'all those lies about make-up and long-hair - they're still there' - he has form in masking his original lyric intention.
     
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    I never figured that about The Queen Is Dead, you learn something every day. Going to have to get it out and have a listen now!
     
  7. Yes, it's about Britain and with some references to the Brexit... The lyrics are very obvious.

    It is not by chance that his "biopic" movie has been titled "England is mine"... which is of course a line taken from a Smiths song, but still, from ALL the lines he wrote for The Smiths, the director picked that one.

    You know... if it has four legs, hair, a long tail and it barks... then it's not a wild guess to say: "Hey, it's a dog!".

    He obviously has a love/hate relationship with England and such thing has been expressed in many songs all over the years, since the times of The Smiths.
     
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    You'll notice that he is not wearing a shirt which (according to the Rutland book of the Dead) is an Italian symbol for 'leaving'. The smiley badge on his jacket lapel signifies that he is 'laughing at us' and it is RED which is one of the colours of the Union Jack. Make up your own conclusions - the evidence is compelling.
     
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    Plus you can see his chest! What is hidden in his chest? Only his heart! Hearts are red! His eyes are blue and white! Morrissey can make a Fist. He also has Legs and Arms! Also, a Gut!!!

    So, add all that together! Red, white and blue plus F, L, A, G! HOLY CRAP!!!
     
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    I know its been a long time but I thought we were chums?
     
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    He has said twice now that it's not. If it was why would he deny it? The majority of the UK population who voted, voted for Brexit. It's not a dirty word.
     
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    If you want it to be about Brexit, it's about Brexit.

    But it really very obviously is not about Brexit, and if you think otherwise, you're a prune.
     
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    And he always tells the truth, direct and to the point!
     
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    Script/autocue/audience = EU superstate, Eu autocrats, court of human rights etc ‘telling us what to do’ - the big argument on Brexit was loss of sovereignty over our own laws
     
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    Maybe M doesn't know yet that it's about Brexit ? :lbf: maybe someone should tell him, during a show of course.
     
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    Have you heard him mention this before Ket? 'He claims the police searched his home in 1988 over his anti-Thatcher song ‘Margaret on the Guillotine’
     
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    ''He claims the police searched his home in 1988 over his anti-Thatcher song ‘Margaret on the Guillotine’'

    yes, I've read that before. Is that what you're asking me?
     
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    Yeah. I read it in an article online today. I had never heard it mentioned before. Writing this now, I am listening to a discussion on an MP potentially being sacked because the POLICE raided the House of Commons because he had PORN on his laptop - this crap continues. FREEDOM anybody?
     
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  19. Anonymous

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    The title The Queen is Dead derives from a chapter from Last Exit to Brooklyn which was an early reference to Brexit as in Last Brexit to Brooklyn.
     
  20. Eraserhead

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    I’d say it’s an ambiguous lyric, but the subject of Brexit is surely there in one reading. It’s also not the first time Morrissey has evaded the real meaning of a lyric in interviews. He said that ‘I can have both’ is about growing up working class with no choices...and then finding himself in a different position in later life. This is perfectly true, but there is another reading about gender and sexual preference.
     
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