I'm upset with England right now.

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MunchyBrain

Born Against
Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("f***in' this" "f***in' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "c***" or "f***" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

I don't disagree with most of the stuff you've said, however, it's really unfair to act like all English people believe in the stereotypes about us. We really don't. Seriously, everyone jokes about how people from other countries seem to have this impression that we're all polite and stuff. You've learnt the hard way that we're not, even remotely. Swearing in casual conversation is completely socially acceptable, in all classes. I've never heard anyone say that America has a crappy education system, by the way. Ours is definately crap, though. You're right about the healthy eating thing, though. Eating healthy and cheap is hard, I normally end up getting a sandwich, as you said, or in London there's a couple of cheap vegetarian takeaway places. There's a couple of vegan cafes I go to as well. But yeah, I agree with most of what you've said, except we are actually aware of how bad we are. Which probably makes it worse.
 

Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.



Which is exactly what you've just done.

Not at all. I'm right here living it. I've shed my book/movie/music stereotypes about England.
 

Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.
Correct me if i'm wrong but you are judging an entire country and its people based on a visit to two of its cities.That's like me going to the deep south or whever it is in America you hoard all your religious nuts and tarnishing them with all the same brush.

Our inner cities are full of swearing loud mouthed teenagers but as I've said before London is not the world...or England.

Your comments are very narrow minded.I'm sure all societies have their good and bad but you should travel further afield before insulting an entire country.

I've been to:

Manchester
London
Guildford
Bognor Regis
Portsmouth

Also, I'm not judging all of you harshly. All I'm saying is that I'm fed up with the America-bashing I hear from Brits all the time now that I know that they are just like us in most ways and worse than us in others. I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially. I believed it! It's taken me almost two weeks here to finally shed all that nonsense from my brain.
 

Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.
No, they weren't. You came to England expecting it to be a nation of foppish, genteel Hugh Grant clones, tea and cakes and polite pitter-patter, a would-be Morrissey on every corner, and you were disappointed :rolleyes:

Not at all. You're very wrong. I'm kind of glad you said this, actually, because I can now disregard all else you say as being ridiculous.
 

mozzette

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Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
Not at all. You're very wrong. I'm kind of glad you said this, actually, because I can now disregard all else you say as being ridiculous.

Most of what I said is based on the "Myths" you listed in your original rant. Which were ridiculous to begin with.
 
I've been to:

Manchester
London
Guildford
Bognor Regis
Portsmouth

Also, I'm not judging all of you harshly. All I'm saying is that I'm fed up with the America-bashing I hear from Brits all the time now that I know that they are just like us in most ways and worse than us in others. I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially. I believed it! It's taken me almost two weeks here to finally shed all that nonsense from my brain.

Ahh, you never came to Liverpool! We're not mean beans up here! ;)
I don't American-bash, Infact If I'm out an about, I'm drawn to American accents :o I don't think we have a holier-than-thou attitude, maybe some do in the place you've visited, but I wouldn't say that's the general attitude in Britain.
 

cornelius blaze

Boychild mustn't tremble!
I find this thread fairly silly...sorry scarlet, england isn't still in the 1900s. With people tipping their hats to you "good lady".

I've seen the same amount of "candy' in your shops and well as ours.

every day i hear a number of languages chatting away on their mobile phones quiet loudly...so what!

actually i could pick apart your post, but i can't be bothered right now.

you came with some misconceptions about the country, now your disappointed. I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.
 
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Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.
I don't disagree with most of the stuff you've said, however, it's really unfair to act like all English people believe in the stereotypes about us. We really don't. Seriously, everyone jokes about how people from other countries seem to have this impression that we're all polite and stuff. You've learnt the hard way that we're not, even remotely. Swearing in casual conversation is completely socially acceptable, in all classes. I've never heard anyone say that America has a crappy education system, by the way. Ours is definately crap, though. You're right about the healthy eating thing, though. Eating healthy and cheap is hard, I normally end up getting a sandwich, as you said, or in London there's a couple of cheap vegetarian takeaway places. There's a couple of vegan cafes I go to as well. But yeah, I agree with most of what you've said, except we are actually aware of how bad we are. Which probably makes it worse.

I don't think it's ALL English people at all. I have met many English people that are fantastic human beings. I'm not saying that the English are awful or worse than anyone else. I'm saying that until now I had bought into the lie that so many English people embrace that America is somehow worse than England and most other countries. There are tons of things I like about England. Your government seems to take good care of you, for one. The social programs here seem really excellent compared with the U.S. It's just that English people so often insult America for things that they do and are. This is what I'm saying.
 

cornelius blaze

Boychild mustn't tremble!
I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially.

A lot of that is, with 'a tongue in cheek' attitude & humour. I do it all the time about Americans and the north of England.
 

MunchyBrain

Born Against
I don't think it's ALL English people at all. I have met many English people that are fantastic human beings. I'm not saying that the English are awful or worse than anyone else. I'm saying that until now I had bought into the lie that so many English people embrace that America is somehow worse than England and most other countries. There are tons of things I like about England. Your government seems to take good care of you, for one. The social programs here seem really excellent compared with the U.S. It's just that English people so often insult America for things that they do and are. This is what I'm saying.

I don't insult American people for being American, because that is racism, although nobody seems to think it is. I have my doubts about the country, what with the voting Bush in twice, and the more fundamental stuff about the percentage of Americans who don't believe in evolution and things like that. But I hate people who think all Americans are stupid (those people tend to be...stupid).
 

Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.
I find this thread fairly silly...sorry scarlet, england isn't still in the 1900s. With people tipping their hats to you "good lady".

I've seen the same amount of "candy' in your shops and well as ours.

every day i hear a number of languages chatting away on their mobile phones quiet loudly...so what!

actually i could pick apart your post, but i can't be bothered right now.

if you came with some misconceptions about the country, now your disappointed. I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.

I can't believe you think this is what I'm saying. I had no notions of hat tipping and "good lady." I'm not attacking England for the things I mentioned. I'm attacking the English people who attack Americans!

And, no. I won't toughen up.

Honestly, England is much as I thought it would be except for all the unhealthy food and the rudeness. Otherwise, it's exactly as I imagined it. It's almost exactly like America, to be very honest. The reason I had these misconceptions about the food and the rudeness is entirely because of how often English people remind me that Americans eat like pigs and are rude as hell in comparison.

I believed it.
 

mozzette

New Member
I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.

Definitely!
Loads of people get picked on for the way they look everywhere. People get stabbed for being different; stories such as this which really upset me at the time. I'd say you got off lightly. A few little twats shouldn't be enough to hurt your feelings, it's those that deserve the pity for having to grow up the way they did. There are little shits everywhere, America being one place where its really bad.

ps Did you get attacked for being American? I thought they just called you fat?
 
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Kilt Uncle

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Typical English!...:p
 

nugz

SUPAHSTAR!
waiiiiit

so first you work yourself way up with this trip. making thread upon thread full of questions, all anxious, wanting to be prepared for every tiny thing that might happen. then you post another thread about how everything is wonderful over there and you're having a great time. now you're complaining that someone called you fat and England isnt all tea and crimpets, and that this stuff wouldnt have happened in America and that people are too loud over there and curse too much. have you never taken the subway??? uhhh you SURE you're from DC???

you need to CHILL OUT. it's ashame you couldnt have just enjoyed your trip w/out worrying about every tiny little thing before and while you're there. f***, I haven't been off the east coast of the US. I've never gotten the opportunity to travel to another country like you have. I think you should be grateful that you've had this opportunity... and with your husband, someone you love.

you need to take some valium, have a glass of wine, and chill out, girl.
 

Scarlet Ibis

The Chicken of D.C.
I don't insult American people for being American, because that is racism, although nobody seems to think it is. I have my doubts about the country, what with the voting Bush in twice, and the more fundamental stuff about the percentage of Americans who don't believe in evolution and things like that. But I hate people who think all Americans are stupid (those people tend to be...stupid).

Yes, I think those people are idiots as well. It's not because they're American though.

Our government is corrupt and nearly fascist. This is true. I hate it. Yours is better. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but much better.

But our people, generally, are just like the people of any other country. There are always going to be a bunch of jerks mixed in. That's just humans.
 

Buzzetta

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Of course not, it's the fattest country in the world. And besides, nobody in America has every insulted anyone for being fat. Ever.

I believe that hockey, assorted comedic actors who eventually gain citizenship in the United States, Molson Beer and "eh" pretty much sums up your country.
 

Kilt Uncle

Active Member
Heeyy watch it mr :p
History dictates I should be on your side though...:D

I knew you wouldn't stand for that....:p

At one point the Scottish border went to Morcambe Bay, but then if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle..:)

How are you this glorious evening?
 
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