If Morrissey ever did "come out" it looks like he would lose most of his fan base.

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Reading some of the posts on this barrel of shit site regarding the lyrics of DGPHM in particular, and YHKM to a lesser degree, and I'm not talking about the odd one or two, but a large percentage, I am even more convinced that this is now a Morrissey-Hate site in all but name.

The homophobia, never very subtle at the best of times here, is now so very palpable it makes the skin crawl.

I was always aware that there was a certain type of, alleged, determinedly heterosexual Morrissey "fan" who couldn't bear the thought that Morrissey may be gay, and these people are both male AND female alike, and have argued vociferously against any suggestion that this may be the case, because it shatters the entire fantasy they have clung to for so long, and heaven forbid they should identify so strongly with a gay man.

Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion that this is somehow Morrissey's "coming out" album, for after all, when has Morrissey ever been "in the closet"?
Neither do I think that either of the tracks in question refer specifically to sexual acts of ANY persuasion, what I DO hear are the usual clever, multi-layered, tongue-in-cheek, provocative and wilfully challenging lyrics, with the same degree of ambiguity that Morrissey has made his own over the last 20 some years.

In my time here I have read some of the most vicious and sickening homophobic rantings that I had EVER read OR heard previously.

I have, on literally dozens of occasions asked David Tseng to combat this, but of course, unless the taunts are directed at him personally, they are left on public display to pollute the site and make life even more unbearable for those young people trying to come to terms with their own sexuality, who visit this site under the mistaken impression that it is a Morrissey fan site, and are then exposed to such unadulterated bigotry in such graphic and hateful language.

Whatever Morrissey's sexuality may be, and, contrary to received opinion it is much more difficult to pin a label on something as complex as human sexuality than to simply label someone 'gay', 'bi' or "straight", which in itself suggests that anything that isn't "straight" must be a deviation, and therefore "abnormal" in some way.

For those who are so upset by the idea that Morrissey may be "gay", I really would suggest that you move along.

There are many fervantly heterosexual singers that you can obsess over.
I hear that Enrique Iglesias likes the ladies, and Peter Andre is 'all man', and then there's Tom Jones, the original "red-blooded" warbler who, I'm told, exerts a powerful 'animal magnetism' over his , mostly female, audiences.

Alternatively you could wake up out of your self imposed stupor and accept the fact that NOT being a dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual is not such a terrible thing, and who knows, you may even find the courage to change you're own life, you know, the one that you hate.

freeyourself/ be yourself.
 
> Reading some of the posts on this barrel of shit site regarding the lyrics
> of DGPHM in particular, and YHKM to a lesser degree, and I'm not talking
> about the odd one or two, but a large percentage, I am even more convinced
> that this is now a Morrissey-Hate site in all but name.

> The homophobia, never very subtle at the best of times here, is now so
> very palpable it makes the skin crawl.

> I was always aware that there was a certain type of, alleged, determinedly
> heterosexual Morrissey "fan" who couldn't bear the thought that
> Morrissey may be gay, and these people are both male AND female alike, and
> have argued vociferously against any suggestion that this may be the case,
> because it shatters the entire fantasy they have clung to for so long, and
> heaven forbid they should identify so strongly with a gay man.

> Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion that this is somehow
> Morrissey's "coming out" album, for after all, when has
> Morrissey ever been "in the closet"?
> Neither do I think that either of the tracks in question refer
> specifically to sexual acts of ANY persuasion, what I DO hear are the
> usual clever, multi-layered, tongue-in-cheek, provocative and wilfully
> challenging lyrics, with the same degree of ambiguity that Morrissey has
> made his own over the last 20 some years.

> In my time here I have read some of the most vicious and sickening
> homophobic rantings that I had EVER read OR heard previously.

> I have, on literally dozens of occasions asked David Tseng to combat this,
> but of course, unless the taunts are directed at him personally, they are
> left on public display to pollute the site and make life even more
> unbearable for those young people trying to come to terms with their own
> sexuality, who visit this site under the mistaken impression that it is a
> Morrissey fan site, and are then exposed to such unadulterated bigotry in
> such graphic and hateful language.

> Whatever Morrissey's sexuality may be, and, contrary to received opinion
> it is much more difficult to pin a label on something as complex as human
> sexuality than to simply label someone 'gay', 'bi' or
> "straight", which in itself suggests that anything that isn't
> "straight" must be a deviation, and therefore
> "abnormal" in some way.

> For those who are so upset by the idea that Morrissey may be
> "gay", I really would suggest that you move along.

> There are many fervantly heterosexual singers that you can obsess over.
> I hear that Enrique Iglesias likes the ladies, and Peter Andre is 'all
> man', and then there's Tom Jones, the original "red-blooded"
> warbler who, I'm told, exerts a powerful 'animal magnetism' over his ,
> mostly female, audiences.

> Alternatively you could wake up out of your self imposed stupor and accept
> the fact that NOT being a dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual is not such a
> terrible thing, and who knows, you may even find the courage to change
> you're own life, you know, the one that you hate.

> freeyourself/ be yourself.

I do not understand how anyone can listen to the music, like it and then still have homophobic feelings.
 
I agree whole-heartedly with everything you have said!!!! Thank you for speaking up! Things in this world are not so black and white as some would like them to be. Morrissey has been pointing this out for years! Thanks again!
 
Why can't anyone just accept that Morrissey is a human being with human feelings - he's not a freak. And it really doesn't matter what his sexual orientation may be. He has clearly stated in interviews that he has no barriers where sex is concerned and has been honest all of his life. Morrissey doesn't need to 'come out,' because, as freeyourself said, he has never been in it.
 
Re: Morrissey's Sexuality

> For those who are so upset by the idea that Morrissey may be
> "gay", I really would suggest that you move along.

I don't think any "real" fan of Morrissey's would feel anything but joy that Morrissey felt free to be open about his homosexuality. Dancing around the subject must have been a strain. The ultimate joy would be that he had finally found that special someone who shared his love and life.
 
A very well balanced post Freeyourself. The sexuality of Morrissey, or anyone for that matter, makes no difference. I know from experience that being supposedly 'gay' or 'straight' has no bearing on the person you may fall in love with. If Morrissey ever chose to 'come out' that would be up to him, but I love the fact that he's always chosen to keep his private life private. I urge him to continue ... nobody needs to know your sexuality unless it's part of the way you in which you define yourself. Morrissey defines himself through his music and his feelings; whether those feelings are for a man or for a woman, his fans shouldn't care.
I agree with Stephen Fry on the issue of homophobia. What scares homophobes is not the sexual act itself (as homosexuality is not always expressed through anal sex, and plenty of straight people engage in that practice too) but the fear that a man or woman can love someone of the same sex. Homophobes can't handle the fact that wanting to be with another person has some other agenda besides the urge to procreate.
Anyways in my world, Morrissey isn't gay, bi or straight, he just loves me ;-)
 
Hang the proofreader...

Seems like I drifted off here and left this sentence unfinished......

> Whatever Morrissey's sexuality may be, and, contrary to received opinion
> it is much more difficult to pin a label on something as complex as human
> sexuality than to simply label someone 'gay', 'bi' or
> "straight", which in itself suggests that anything that isn't
> "straight" must be a deviation, and therefore
> "abnormal" in some way,*

*it should only form a very small part, if any, of the reason for identifying with him or appreciating his work and being fascinated by his life.
Most of the songs dealing with human relationships are not gender specific anyway, and this theme is only one of many visited by Morrissey, who uses all aspects of the human condition as source material for his songs.
 
Re: Hang the proofreader...

Of course he does. But some are so hung up on the sexuality issue that they can't see the other aspects of his work. There are others that see him as so perniciously political that he only has to mention "USA" in a song and it sets them off on a rant, no matter that the song may be about something entirely different

Personally, I don't see why people can't just accept the what the man says about his own life. It must be annoying to be forever called a liar. Why would he lie? Doesn't he get receive more ridicule due to sticking to his guns than he would by announcing he fitted into one of the boxes society assigns for us?

I'd feel sorry for him if I didn't think he finds it all hilarious and deliberately drops "hints" in order to wind people up.
 
I absolutely agree with you (except for the stuff about hassling David). I've always know that a lot of Moz fans are secretly homophobic and would stop listening to Moz if he ever actually came out. Some idiots obviuosly have to hear him scream from a rooftop "I'm gay" before they'll believe it.
 
> Reading some of the posts on this barrel of shit site regarding the lyrics
> of DGPHM in particular, and YHKM to a lesser degree, and I'm not talking
> about the odd one or two, but a large percentage, I am even more convinced
> that this is now a Morrissey-Hate site in all but name.

> The homophobia, never very subtle at the best of times here, is now so
> very palpable it makes the skin crawl.

> I was always aware that there was a certain type of, alleged, determinedly
> heterosexual Morrissey "fan" who couldn't bear the thought that
> Morrissey may be gay, and these people are both male AND female alike, and
> have argued vociferously against any suggestion that this may be the case,
> because it shatters the entire fantasy they have clung to for so long, and
> heaven forbid they should identify so strongly with a gay man.

> Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion that this is somehow
> Morrissey's "coming out" album, for after all, when has
> Morrissey ever been "in the closet"?
> Neither do I think that either of the tracks in question refer
> specifically to sexual acts of ANY persuasion, what I DO hear are the
> usual clever, multi-layered, tongue-in-cheek, provocative and wilfully
> challenging lyrics, with the same degree of ambiguity that Morrissey has
> made his own over the last 20 some years.

> In my time here I have read some of the most vicious and sickening
> homophobic rantings that I had EVER read OR heard previously.

> I have, on literally dozens of occasions asked David Tseng to combat this,
> but of course, unless the taunts are directed at him personally, they are
> left on public display to pollute the site and make life even more
> unbearable for those young people trying to come to terms with their own
> sexuality, who visit this site under the mistaken impression that it is a
> Morrissey fan site, and are then exposed to such unadulterated bigotry in
> such graphic and hateful language.

> Whatever Morrissey's sexuality may be, and, contrary to received opinion
> it is much more difficult to pin a label on something as complex as human
> sexuality than to simply label someone 'gay', 'bi' or
> "straight", which in itself suggests that anything that isn't
> "straight" must be a deviation, and therefore
> "abnormal" in some way.

> For those who are so upset by the idea that Morrissey may be
> "gay", I really would suggest that you move along.

> There are many fervantly heterosexual singers that you can obsess over.
> I hear that Enrique Iglesias likes the ladies, and Peter Andre is 'all
> man', and then there's Tom Jones, the original "red-blooded"
> warbler who, I'm told, exerts a powerful 'animal magnetism' over his ,
> mostly female, audiences.

> Alternatively you could wake up out of your self imposed stupor and accept
> the fact that NOT being a dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual is not such a
> terrible thing, and who knows, you may even find the courage to change
> you're own life, you know, the one that you hate.

> freeyourself/ be yourself.

It appears logical that a man and women were intended to procreate. But for some reason there are few questions beyond that very obvious point? So what right? Yes, a man and women are able to procreate and they shall do so. However, it is organized religion that has fostered and advanced the notion that the people who have procreated should be "in love' and make a family unit. Sexuality and issues such as these you discuss are incompatible with the current doctrines of the institutional arrangements of judeo-christian societies. Ideally, a man and women should procreate and children could potentially be raised communally in a setting where thre is not simply one parent. Who you love or have sex with could be an entirely different issue? Don't you think?
The invisible structures are colliding with the very tangible realities of human sexuality (gay, straight, bi, whatever) all of these would be accepted if it not for whatever imaginary rules that religion has placed on society. That is ALL religions to be fair.
thats my 2 cents. and as far as morrissey being gay? We will never be given an answer to that question simply becuase he has refused to subscribe to labels. FOr instance if he were to have a relationship with a man for 5 years i still think he would reject "gay" for that reason alone. the desire NOT to be labeled.
 
Shut it. Homophobic people don't listen to Morrissey. Full stop.
 
Some idiots obviuosly
> have to hear him scream from a rooftop "I'm gay" before they'll
> believe it.

They'd probably say he was using the word in the old fashioned sense, that he was happy coz he had such a nice view up there.
 
The Bear scene is a diguisting thing and makes me feel ill. I personally am homosexual, but freeyourself who is admittidly a bear and part of that disgraceful sub-culture, albeit he is more of a "chaser" within that scene.

I like pure love, not love based on wether you look like a bear or not. Love beyond the way you look, with who ever you want.
 
Not much of a fan-base to lose if people are so homophobic and afraid!
I for one would be very happy for him if he finally found someone to love, be it man or woman. He deserves it.
 
So says broken a.k.a. Rubberdiver,who is into "watersports".No,he doesn't mean water polo.

Here's broken's gaydar profile.
He has an "interest" in transsexuals, transvestites and cross dressers apparently.
He also likes people to urinate on him.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver3.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver3a.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver5a.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver3a.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver2a.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver2a.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver1.jpg
 
SHUT THE f*** UP YOU IMPOSTER!!!!

don't listen to this desperate child molestor troll...i am paul and i like to f*** and suck male teenagers but only if there are consenting and at the legal age, but this horrific imposter is trying to use my good gay name to find 5 year old boys to bugger and to lip bathe their entire naked baby bodies. he has written on his profile at various gay sites that he wishes to be reincarnated as baby diapers. he's a disgusting sick-in-the-head twat that was beaten silly as a child while enjoying intercourse with uncles liam and nigel...he can truly not be trusted...little boys beware!!!

> Reading some of the posts on this barrel of shit site regarding the lyrics
> of DGPHM in particular, and YHKM to a lesser degree, and I'm not talking
> about the odd one or two, but a large percentage, I am even more convinced
> that this is now a Morrissey-Hate site in all but name.

> The homophobia, never very subtle at the best of times here, is now so
> very palpable it makes the skin crawl.

> I was always aware that there was a certain type of, alleged, determinedly
> heterosexual Morrissey "fan" who couldn't bear the thought that
> Morrissey may be gay, and these people are both male AND female alike, and
> have argued vociferously against any suggestion that this may be the case,
> because it shatters the entire fantasy they have clung to for so long, and
> heaven forbid they should identify so strongly with a gay man.

> Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion that this is somehow
> Morrissey's "coming out" album, for after all, when has
> Morrissey ever been "in the closet"?
> Neither do I think that either of the tracks in question refer
> specifically to sexual acts of ANY persuasion, what I DO hear are the
> usual clever, multi-layered, tongue-in-cheek, provocative and wilfully
> challenging lyrics, with the same degree of ambiguity that Morrissey has
> made his own over the last 20 some years.

> In my time here I have read some of the most vicious and sickening
> homophobic rantings that I had EVER read OR heard previously.

> I have, on literally dozens of occasions asked David Tseng to combat this,
> but of course, unless the taunts are directed at him personally, they are
> left on public display to pollute the site and make life even more
> unbearable for those young people trying to come to terms with their own
> sexuality, who visit this site under the mistaken impression that it is a
> Morrissey fan site, and are then exposed to such unadulterated bigotry in
> such graphic and hateful language.

> Whatever Morrissey's sexuality may be, and, contrary to received opinion
> it is much more difficult to pin a label on something as complex as human
> sexuality than to simply label someone 'gay', 'bi' or
> "straight", which in itself suggests that anything that isn't
> "straight" must be a deviation, and therefore
> "abnormal" in some way.

> For those who are so upset by the idea that Morrissey may be
> "gay", I really would suggest that you move along.

> There are many fervantly heterosexual singers that you can obsess over.
> I hear that Enrique Iglesias likes the ladies, and Peter Andre is 'all
> man', and then there's Tom Jones, the original "red-blooded"
> warbler who, I'm told, exerts a powerful 'animal magnetism' over his ,
> mostly female, audiences.

> Alternatively you could wake up out of your self imposed stupor and accept
> the fact that NOT being a dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual is not such a
> terrible thing, and who knows, you may even find the courage to change
> you're own life, you know, the one that you hate.

> freeyourself/ be yourself.
 
Bears?

excuse my ignorance but what exactly is the "bear scene"? it sounds positively unsexy. i run with the aristocratic gay crowd so i'm not hip to the lastest lingo. i assume "bear" is a nice way of saying "fat ugly smelly bloke that no self-respecting gay gentleman would touch with a 10 inch cock"?

> The Bear scene is a diguisting thing and makes me feel ill. I personally
> am homosexual, but freeyourself who is admittidly a bear and part of that
> disgraceful sub-culture, albeit he is more of a "chaser" within
> that scene.

> I like pure love, not love based on wether you look like a bear or not.
> Love beyond the way you look, with who ever you want.
 
Why not ask your friend "Rubberdiver" a.k.a.'broken'

This loathsome piece of shit who uses the approximation of my screen name 'freeyourse1f', you'll notice he uses a number one in place of the letter 'l', is the animal who was the scourge of the guestbook until I had it closed down. He lived in there 24/7, posting the most foul homophobic posts imaginable on a daily basis.
He was known as "Rain Man", and may or may not be another one of the aliases used by my pet troll 'broken', who posts from an identical IP to myself.
David Tseng leaves his posts on this board, knowing full well that all they contain is obscene insults and vicious lies about me.
David Tseng is not a good person.

Here's broken's profile taken from a popular gay site and posted here last week by "Biffy"

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http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver3a.jpg
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http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Rubberdiver/rubberdiver1.jpg




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