Interesting. But I think it's fairly transparently about gay rights/freedom, (since Tel Aviv is the 'gay capital of the world'), contrasted with the oppression of his Catholic upbringing and its 'virgin priests'. What makes you think it's about a person?Morrissey often names people after places or things (Gelato, Skull Cap...) and I think Israel is talking to and about a person not a nation. This may have been discussed. Sorry if it has.
Morrissey often names people after places or things (Gelato, Skull Cap...) and I think Israel is talking to and about a person not a nation. This may have been discussed. Sorry if it has.
Morrissey often names people after places or things (Gelato, Skull Cap...) and I think Israel is talking to and about a person not a nation. This may have been discussed. Sorry if it has.
I agree. I think it's an unexpected triumph. I also think people who complain about the title completely miss the point; I don't hear any politics in it at all, for me it's all about gay freedom/oppression, and quite devastatingly expressed for a man at his time of life. But of course, being the seasoned old troll that he is, he would know full well the controversy it would cause to call a song Israel.I think Israel is such a stunningly beautiful song with amazing vocals, so for once and just for this time I'm willing to overlook the confused politics and partially iffy lyrics. For me this is the highlight of LIHS.
Also take for instance At Amber. Is Amber a place? a person? or a state of being? Like an ant stuck in amber as his invalid friend is stuck in a bed or wheel chair?
I also think the song is about gay rights and that Morrissey is using the entire country of Israel as a metaphor by drawing parallels between how Israel is commonly negatively viewed as a country and how gay people are also sometimes seen in a negative light by many people (although definitely to a lesser extent than they have been in the past). Obviously Morrissey supports gay people and I think it's fair to say that he probably supports Israel and this song is his way of expressing his belief that both parties are unjustifiably hard done by.
I also think the song is about gay rights and that Morrissey is using the entire country of Israel as a metaphor by drawing parallels between how Israel is commonly negatively viewed as a country and how gay people are also sometimes seen in a negative light by many people (although definitely to a lesser extent than they have been in the past). Obviously Morrissey supports gay people and I think it's fair to say that he probably supports Israel and this song is his way of expressing his belief that both parties are unjustifiably hard done by.
I agree. I think it's an unexpected triumph. I also think people who complain about the title completely miss the point; I don't hear any politics in it at all, for me it's all about gay freedom/oppression, and quite devastatingly expressed for a man at his time of life. But of course, being the seasoned old troll that he is, he would know full well the controversy it would cause to call a song Israel.
Morrissey often names people after places or things (Gelato, Skull Cap...) and I think Israel is talking to and about a person not a nation. This may have been discussed. Sorry if it has.
I think he means amber the colour...
To be at amber would then mean to be at a yellow light, not stopped completely but not quite free to go.
I do too, Israel can actually be used as a mans name. Here in NZ we have a famous rugby player called Israel. I think the song is both about a man and the rights of gay people in the Middle East. I think it has very little, in fact nothing at all, to do with geo-politics which of course does suit the narrative of Morrissey haters in this forum, Uncle Skinny etc,Morrissey often names people after places or things (Gelato, Skull Cap...) and I think Israel is talking to and about a person not a nation. This may have been discussed. Sorry if it has.
I do too, Israel can actually be used as a mans name. Here in NZ we have a famous rugby player called Israel. I think the song is both about a man and the rights of gay people in the Middle East. I think it has very little, in fact nothing at all, to do with geo-politics which of course does suit the narrative of Morrissey haters in this forum, Uncle Skinny etc,