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Discussion in 'Collectors Corner' started by RAFFAELE, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. RAFFAELE

    RAFFAELE New Member

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    Greetings to all Morrissey and Smiths collectors.
    I'm not a professional and "maniacal" collector, but I'm keen on buying the Promos that has nice graphics and that are also unique and rare to find.
    In fact, within five months, I bought a series of Morrissey's Japan Promos from the same seller.
    However, the last two Promos I bought made me suspect that these are fake or counterfeit copies.
    From the photos I attach you can see that the quality and the print is very poor.
    I went to carefully review the Promos I had previously bought from him and, comparing the images uploaded on the Discogs website, I have strong doubts also about their authenticity.
    From the same seller I purchased the following Japan Promos:
    March 11: "World Peace Is None Of Your Business" (2 CDs) for £ 197.50;
    March 26: "Istanbul" for £ 72.50;
    July 4th: "It's Over" for £ 107.50 (only the French promo is featured on Discogs. There is nothing published in Japan!);
    July 18: "Kiss Me A Lot" and "Wedding Bell Blues" for £ 197.76.
    And even "Wedding Bell Blues" is a trace!
    As you can see from the photos I have attached, all the W.P.I.N.O.Y.B. Promos have the inner edge with the image of Morrissey (on a black background) moved all the way to the left that touches the inner edge of the cd.
    Their graphics are clear but not as sharp as the images published on Discogs
    All the CDs now seem to me to be forged.
    For more experienced collectors or those who are in possession of the same Promo CD because they have already been purchased by other sellers, I ask for an opinion on their authenticity.
    If you believe that they are not authentic, how do you advise me to take action against the seller on eBay?
    Thank you all.
    RAZ
     
  2. ordinaryboy86

    ordinaryboy86 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah they looked terrible and I didn’t trust them enough to place a bid.
     
  3. RAFFAELE

    RAFFAELE New Member

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    These are the images I have attached
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  4. Anonymous

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    For that WP one to emerge many years later, wasn’t worth the punt.
     
  5. ordinaryboy86

    ordinaryboy86 Well-Known Member

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    This is a real one off Discogs. Much higher resolution and sharper images than yours.

    The wedding bells cd looks awful. When in doubt, do nowt. Don’t bid on stuff you’re unsure of.

    Btw I think you’re the guy who bought the French “It’s Over” CD-R off me, that one was 100% legit :thumb:


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  6. Famous when dead

    Famous when dead Vulgarian Moderator

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    Sound advice :handpointup:
    I've always been of a mind that if it's very cheap and enough of a curiosity - then why not.
    That said, I get nervous seeing one person selling lots of one type of thing when they are reasonably scarce elsewhere.
    I'd bow to other's experience in these matters regarding more recent releases, but I'd not touch them myself.
    Regards,
    FWD.
     
  7. RAFFAELE

    RAFFAELE New Member

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    Yes I am!
    It is clear that your cd is authentic!:thumb:
    How do you advise me to act with the seller from whom I have already purchased those promos?
     
  8. ordinaryboy86

    ordinaryboy86 Well-Known Member

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    If you’re fairly convinced they’re dodgy, then I’d return them for full refunds, refunds on every single item! I watched those auctions and I know how much they cost, it’s not the kind of money you can afford to throw away.
     
  9. RAFFAELE

    RAFFAELE New Member

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    Unfortunately the photos I have attached do not lie.
    The Discogs site shows the Promo with photos that are clear and sharp in both characters and images.
    I will follow your advice. Thanks:thumb:
     
  10. Anonymous

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    You saw a Japanese 2cd promo set for less than 50 bucks? Where, when?
     
  11. NealCassidy

    NealCassidy Well-Known Member

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    not tricky to print at decent resolution - then how will you know the difference?
     
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  12. Anonymous

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    Oh god! What I feared and doubted has come true. I, too, purchased those items from a seller on Ebay. I purchased the following last year:

    — Istanbul Japanese promo
    — Kiss Me A Lot Japanese promo
    —World Peace 2CD Japanese promo

    And in July 2019, I purchased:

    —It’s Over Japanese promo.

    It was the last purchase that caused me to raise doubt. When the item arrived, he sent a “Morrissey Through the Years “ picture collection as an “extra” with my winning bud. The pictures were HORRIBLE. The resolution was POOR and grainy. The “It’s Over” Japanese Promo looked like it was printed at home. Initially, I lost the bid and then later, the seller contacted me and offered the item to me at the highest bid I had placed.

    He contacted me again to see if I was interested in the “Wedding Bell Blues” Japanese promo before listing it on EBay. I politely declined the offer, as I realized my previous purchases from him were not authentic.
    It’s a shame.

    I will take the advice that the others gave to you: When in doubt, do not purchase.

    An expensive lesson I had to learn...
     
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  13. ForgivemeJESUS

    ForgivemeJESUS Moz, you have been summoned to appear in Texas

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    I freaking new it, when I first saw these I was speculated about them especially with the same format in different lp era so I turned away . And man I wanted those CS promos badly. But was just to Leary . Dang I hate that for you
     
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