"Hello, my name's Julian and this is my friend Sandy...."

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  1. The Cat's Mother

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    Spoken word rather than music tracks, but this didn't seem to fit anywhere else:

    'Julian and Sandy', aka Hugh Paddick and (one of my childhood heroes) Kenneth Williams, were regulars on the BBC radio comedy sketch show 'Round the Horne'. In each sketch, the two outrageously camp characters turn up in an assortment of odd jobs as they 'fill in' between acting roles, to bemuse and spark off their 'straight man', Kenneth Horne. Heavily ad-libbed and making extensive use of palare (also termed 'polari'), the comedy piles up the double-entrendres for those able to twig them. Bear in mind this was the 1960's and homosexuality was illegal in England and Wales until 1967.

    Morrissey-related notes: watch out for the phrase 'Striptease with a Difference' in 'Bona Performers'. 'Rentachap' was recycled as the nickname of Morrissey's friend Peter Hogg. All the palare used in 'Piccadilly Palare' is commonly used within these sketches, except 'riah' (backslang for hair), presumably because Mr Horne had very little riah for his co-stars to discuss.

    There are a few errors in the track information as uploaded, so please follow the tracklisting below:

    01. Rentachap
    02. Bona Pets
    03. Studio Bona
    04. Bona Books
    05. Bona Seats
    06. Bona Performers
    07. Bona Houses and Landscape Gardens
    08. Bona Mind Readers
    09. Ballet Bona
    10. Bona Promotions
    11. Bona Beat Songs Ltd
    12. Bona Dance

    http://www.savefile.com/files/422421

    Further reading on 'Julian and Sandy' here: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/fabulosa/page6.htm

    'The Secret Language of Polari'
    http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/exhibitions/gaylife/polari.asp
     
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    markinmanc New Member

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    Bona to vada your dolly old eek, even if you have nanty riah.

    Palare/polari was said to be the origin of the word naff.... the meaning of whic I can't get past the work filter...
     
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    Ooh! Ain't you bold! Put on your ogale-fakes - I'm not short on riah, as my shusher will tell - and I don't mean it's all on me scotches, either!

    I've read that the origin of 'naff' may have been 'Normal As Fuck', which could explain your filter problem, but it doesn't work with the alternative (original?) spelling, 'naph'.
     
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    Thank you for posting! I used to fancy Kenneth Williams when I was a very young teenager because he was that CAMP. I like being camp. :D
     
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    Hope you enjoy the sketches; I adored Ken when I was a little girl, especially in the 'Carry On' films. I wear my 'Ooh Matron!' t-shirt with pride.

    Apparently, 'camp' was originally the palare acronym 'KAMP' = 'Known As Male Prostitute'. Amazing what you find out once you start looking. I rather like 'zhoosh' for a hairdo. Sounds rather like the strange word Morrissey sings at the end of 'Christian Dior'. :D
     
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    Thank you, duckie.

    I feel my education in British comedy is now complete.
     
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    its not here but wasnt there actually an episode called "bona drag"?
     
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    I believe that to be the case but I'm afraid I don't have the track. I've just spotted another interesting ref on the scripted (not recorded above) outro of Bona Books:

    JULIAN: "It got printed in the end, but of course it never got into the best-seller list. As a matter of fact, it was remaindered on the day of publication but by then Sandy and me had moved on. We'd gone into the film business. We had a little lattie up an alley off Wardour Street. We called ourselves Bona Prods., and you wouldn't credit it but before we had time to turn round, that Mr. Horne had turned up again. Actually, we were pleased to see him as things had been a bit slack after our film Motor Cycle Au Pair Boy got panned by the critics."

    Motor Cycle Au Pair Boy being a Morrissey fansite title - although I'm not sure of the the nature of the link with Morrissey that inspired the site to be so named. Was it a bootleg or non-UK EP title or something? Anyone?
     
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    there was a one-sided 12" promo of interesting drug that was scribed with
    said title ...
     
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    "striptease with a difference" crops up in "bona performers" too ...
     
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    I refer you to the info on my original post, but thanks. :)
     
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    Ah, that makes sense. Thank you. :)
     
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    Lol! You can hear Williams braying with laughter at Horne on the intro. Thanks!
     
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    Jules and Sand fit Moz: british, 60s, sexually ambiguous, icons for the disaffected.

    In the 80s they were very much a secret love of many - like myself - too camp, too out there to hit the mainstream.

    Which is odd as in the 60s they were famous - the characters.


    Few gay people I know seem to like them.
     
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    I'm not sure that the intended target audience was ever the gay population, though. I suspect that the BBC was actually catering for a predominantly heterosexual demographic which enjoyed the idea of being 'in' on the subversiveness of the material.
     
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    i burned a friend of mine a copy of this (for the polari)
    ... will await his opinion ...
     
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    I think it's a generational thing - young gay people have little need for polari or understand the social background.

    Naff stands for 'Not Availiable For F**king' afaik. I've also been told that 'punk' was a polari term for a 'gay for pay'.
     
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    Haha! I wonder if Princess Anne knew that when she popularised the word 'naff' in the early 80's. :D

    Here's another decent palare/polari resource:

    http://www2.prestel.co.uk/cello/Polari.htm
     
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    Thanks for the link - may give a few words a spin tonight! :)
     
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