Has Moz said anything about Israel lately?

"Well, Israel, you know where you can put your Passover lamb ... "
 
Haven't you heard Israel? "I can't answer | for what armies do | they are not you | they are not you | they are not you...". Morrissey supports and promotes intellectuals like Douglas Murray who very intelligently formulates the issues and challenges now faced by secular western societies:


In Europe you have one side which stands for patriarchal, freedom-hating, antisemitic, homophobic, anti-feminist values, and another side who are too afraid of opposing those and of being labelled as islamophobic and racist.


He mentioned Murray once.

It's Morrissey "fans" who have been relentlessly promoting this shit.

They were doing it before he mentioned him.

And they're clinging on now.
 
Israel has military might in obscene excess to the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors, but somehow it's an underdog? No, it's an aggressive bully just like the U.S. is. "We only want peace. Now please move aside for these bulldozers and their armed escorts as they demolish your vineyard and home so we can build a yeshiva for our new community going in here. Your refugee camp is that way." The U.S. is Israel's patron.
To be fair, Aubs, in 1948 and 1967 they were indeed the underdogs and pretty much stood on their own against invasion from every flank.
In 1948 they were saved by arm shipments from Stalinist-controlled Czechoslovakia. Apparently Stalin thought the existence of Israel would make the Middle East more divided and easier to exert influence over. Perceptive guy, Uncle Joe.
 
To be fair, Aubs, in 1948 and 1967 they were indeed the underdogs and pretty much stood on their own against invasion from every flank.
In 1948 they were saved by arm shipments from Stalinist-controlled Czechoslovakia. Apparently Stalin thought the existence of Israel would make the Middle East more divided and easier to exert influence over. Perceptive guy, Uncle Joe.

Good enough, but that was fifty years ago. Israel has been saturated with U.S. money and materiel in the decades since. If you're singing an ode to Israel in 2017 and staying mum in 2023, you may want to re-think—no matter how many beautiful friends you've made in nightclubs on Israel's Riviera, and I doubt they're all Haaretz readers.
 
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The split on this thread is reflective of the split in the far right on this issue.

You know - the far right that crept into threads on this site leaving posts that people can read - when Morrissey was still getting flack for his leftist views. The views he actually has.
 
Good enough, but that was fifty years ago. Israel been saturated with U.S. money and materiel in the decades since. If you're singing an ode to Israel in 2017 and staying mum in 2023, you may want to re-think—no matter how many beautiful friends you've made in nightclubs on Israel's Riviera, and I doubt they're all Haaretz readers.
Yes, he does seem to have enjoyed himself in those nightclubs...
 
Israel has military might in obscene excess to the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors, but somehow it's an underdog? No, it's an aggressive bully just like the U.S. is. "We only want peace. Now please move aside for these bulldozers and their armed escorts as they demolish your vineyard and home so we can build a yeshiva for our new community going in here. Your refugee camp is that way." The U.S. is Israel's patron.

Well, after the horrible experience and memory of the Holocaust, and now situated in an area surronded by people who've from birth have been taught that paradise on earth will only come when every single jew is killed, no wonder these people in the least would want a strong military...
 
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The split on this thread is reflective of the split in the far right on this issue.

You know - the far right that crept into threads on this site leaving posts that people can read - when Morrissey was still getting flack for his leftist views. The views he actually has.
The left also unfortunately have issues regarding to do with this. Some people even say that the previous Labour leader was so anti-semitc that it made the Tories win the last election. Things like promoting equal rights, enlightenment, being anti religion and fighting against suppressive systems, promoting feminism and gay rights used to belong to the left, but confronted with the islam/Arab culture it seems like the tables have turned, as Morrissey said some years ago, something along the lines that "the left have adopted a right wing view and the right have adopted a left wing view". In my opinion it's to one-dimensional and binary to just view politics in a left-right axis. It's way more complicated than that.
 
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The left also unfortunately have issues regarding to do with this. Some people even say that the previous Labour leader was so anti-semitc that it made the Tories win the last election.

The left's rhetoric can be dodgy - but it's nothing like the deep-rooted hatred the right has.
 
The left's rhetoric can be dodgy - but it's nothing like the deep-rooted hatred the right has.
Okay, then we finally have the dogmatic truth here, folks! It seems like Malarkey figured it all out :clapping: Who knew that the reality was so plain and simple after all? Either you are a dodgy leftist or a hatefull rightist.
 
… and now situated in an area surronded by people who've from birth have been taught that paradise on earth will only come when every single jew is killed ...

Then why on earth did they decide to go there in the first place, Auden? The way you put it, they would’ve had to want to have their promised land of milk and honey where they’d have to take it by violence and genocide the people living there, re-creating the Old Testament narrative and—oh my.
 
Then why on earth did they decide to go there in the first place, Auden? The way you put it, they would’ve had to want to have their promised land of milk and honey where they’d have to take it by violence and genocide the people living there, re-creating the Old Testament narrative and—oh my.
Perhaps they didn't feel safe in Europe? Who knows why, Aubrey? To try to give a brief history of this very conflicted territory, and hopefully you don't need to be violent or genocidal against me: before Israel there was the British mandate, before that it was the Ottoman Empire, before that it was the Mameluke islamic sultanat Egypt, before that it was the Ayubie dynasty, before that it was the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem, before that it was the Fatimid caliphate, before that it was the Byzantine Empire, before that it was the Roman Empire, before that it was the Asmonic dynasty, before that it was the empire of Alexander the third of Makedonia, then the Persian empire, then the Babylonian empire, then the kingdom of Israel and Judea, before then it was the kingdom of Israel, before that it was the theocracy of Israel, before that it was the 12 tribes, before that it was the single state of Kanaan. So never a Palestinian state.

The clue now should be to seek harmony and forgiveness and move towards the future. Like how Germany and Japan became friends with the rest of the world after what they did during WW2. Obesssing over history and bringing up the Old Testament will never create love, peace and harmony. Hopefully we will see a prosperous and progressive future for the whole region, and maybe gay pride parades can be arranged in the whole of the Middle East and women can live freely without being controlled by their fathers, husbands and brothers. Hopefully.
 
Perhaps they didn't feel safe in Europe? Who knows why, Aubrey? To try to give a brief history of this very conflicted territory, and hopefully you don't need to be violent or genocidal against me: before Israel there was the British mandate, before that it was the Ottoman Empire, before that it was the Mameluke islamic sultanat Egypt, before that it was the Ayubie dynasty, before that it was the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem, before that it was the Fatimid caliphate, before that it was the Byzantine Empire, before that it was the Roman Empire, before that it was the Asmonic dynasty, before that it was the empire of Alexander the third of Makedonia, then the Persian empire, then the Babylonian empire, then the kingdom of Israel and Judea, before then it was the kingdom of Israel, before that it was the theocracy of Israel, before that it was the 12 tribes, before that it was the single state of Kanaan. So never a Palestinian state.

The clue now should be to seek harmony and forgiveness and move towards the future. Like how Germany and Japan became friends with the rest of the world after what they did during WW2. Obesssing over history and bringing up the Old Testament will never create love, peace and harmony. Hopefully we will see a prosperous and progressive future for the whole region, and maybe gay pride parades can be arranged in the whole of the Middle East and women can live freely without being controlled by their fathers, husbands and brothers. Hopefully.

Don’t blame me for bringing up the Old Testament—the Israelis do it all the time. We’ve recently had Netanyahu invoke the slaughter of the Amalekites to rally the national cause against the Gazans. If appeals to the Old Testament aren’t going to bring love and peace, and they surely won’t, then have a chat with your own side.

Yes, there was no Palestinian state. But you don’t get to win on a technicality. The inhabitants were majority Arab/Muslim, so why did they have to get displaced for the Jews to have a state? And if the Jews were fleeing Jew-haters in Europe, why did they choose to go to an area rife with Jew-haters? “This whole plan seems pretty half-baked to me, Ben.”
 
Don’t blame me for bringing up the Old Testament—the Israelis do it all the time. We’ve recently had Netanyahu invoke the slaughter of the Amalekites to rally the national cause against the Gazans. If appeals to the Old Testament aren’t going to bring love and peace, and they surely won’t, then have a chat with your own side.

Yes, there was no Palestinian state. But you don’t get to win on a technicality. The inhabitants were majority Arab/Muslim, so why did they have to get displaced for the Jews to have a state? And if the Jews were fleeing Jew-haters in Europe, why did they choose to go to an area rife with Jew-haters? “This whole plan seems pretty half-baked to me, Ben.”
Yes, followers of the desert religions bring up their holy books all the time, wether it's the old or new testaments, the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, perhaps it's time to move on now? And it wasn't necessarily a choice, I think. Something to do with the United Nations and a sense of commitment to a butchered group of people, imagine the trauma and panic after the war, no, I don't think you can. At least you don't try to camouflage your anti-semitic views. Hitler would be proud of you, I'm sure. Do you for instance care ar all or pay the slightest attention to the many more people killed in Yemen by Saudi Arabia during the last ten years? Or by Assad? Or in Tigray? The Uyghurs? Rohingyas? Or is it just so convenient now to care for the people in Gaza because the opponent is tied to the jewish people?
 
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The split on this thread is reflective of the split in the far right on this issue.

You know - the far right that crept into threads on this site leaving posts that people can read - when Morrissey was still getting flack for his leftist views. The views he actually has.
'Far-Right' :lbf: :lbf: :lbf: :lbf: :lbf:
 
No one should feel they need to defend Netanyahu's disastrous hard/far right coalition government or repeat its offensively rubbish propaganda.

 
Don’t blame me for bringing up the Old Testament—the Israelis do it all the time. We’ve recently had Netanyahu invoke the slaughter of the Amalekites to rally the national cause against the Gazans. If appeals to the Old Testament aren’t going to bring love and peace, and they surely won’t, then have a chat with your own side.

Yes, there was no Palestinian state. But you don’t get to win on a technicality. The inhabitants were majority Arab/Muslim, so why did they have to get displaced for the Jews to have a state? And if the Jews were fleeing Jew-haters in Europe, why did they choose to go to an area rife with Jew-haters? “This whole plan seems pretty half-baked to me, Ben.”
Apparently there was a spot in Argentina that was considered for the formation of Israel. I think it was just across the road from the spot they set up for the neo-Nazis :ROFLMAO:
 
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Wee Travis was just openly a neo-Nazi... so I don't know what the emojis are meant to be doing.
You describe it like there was a plague of neo-Nazis descending onto the site. There really wasn't. (Well except maybe in your head.)
 
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