Has Morrissey really changed?

puckhead

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In the 1980's, Morrissey was all about being anti Tory, anti thatcher. it seemed to me he viewed them as a threat to the common people that are the real fabric of Britian, the people who do the working, and dying, for the UK.
it looks to me now he is again standing up for those same people, who he now views( rightly or wrongly ) as threatened now by forces from outside the country. i dont see a radical turn in his views, but i do see that he perceives completely different forces opposing the people he has consistently spoken for. not at all the same as trump, and his ilk, who have only ever spoken only for their own selves.
 
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Anonymous

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In the 1980's, Morrissey was all about being anti Tory, anti thatcher. it seemed to me he viewed them as a threat to the common people that are the real fabric of Britian, the people who do the working, and dying, for the UK.
it looks to me now he is again standing up for those same people, who he now views( rightly or wrongly ) as threatened now by forces from outside the country. i dont see a radical turn in his views, but i do see that he perceives completely different forces opposing the people he has consistently spoken for. not at all the same as trump, and his ilk, who have only ever spoken only for their own selves.
Moz is the most conservative man in music you can find and his hate was personal and about what kind of people they were. People who were well off killing foxes who voted Tory.

It was more their lifestyle and taste that triggered him and not the politics as such. He'd want England to be like it was 200 years ago.
 
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Anonymous

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To romantacise Morrissey as a champion of the working class is really a stretch. He doesn't care about people in general, much less people who work. He doesn't care about politics either. It just offends his sensibilities and nostalgic aesthetic that things are not how they were.
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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To romantacise Morrissey as a champion of the working class is really a stretch. He doesn't care about people in general, much less people who work. He doesn't care about politics either. It just offends his sensibilities and nostalgic aesthetic that things are not how they were.

Its time for bed. Come on. chop chop.
 

Uncleskinny

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When he needed people to make money, he HAD to be nice. It was required. Now he's older and he has money, he doesn't give a shit any more and has reverted to what he always was underneath while he needed other people. The donation to Love Music Hate Racism was a hollow and calculated business decision. The man is an island now, and he's changed in the sense that he doesn't need to hide his true feelings anymore. It was, is and will continue to be all about the money. I was taken in, I freely admit it. I'm ashamed of how I was fooled by this charade. To dress his views as still standing up for the small person is absurd and wrong. Either you empathise with people suffering or fleeing persecution, or you don't. Either you can put yourself in someone else's shoes or you can't. Similarly you can either take responsibility for your own mistakes or you can't. Morrissey can do none of the above, and it's a crying shame. A shame for what he was, is and remains. An isolated figure surrounded by people he's paid to tell him how great he is.
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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When he needed people to make money, he HAD to be nice. It was required. Now he's older and he has money, he doesn't give a shit any more and has reverted to what he always was underneath while he needed other people. The donation to Love Music Hate Racism was a hollow and calculated business decision. The man is an island now, and he's changed in the sense that he doesn't need to hide his true feelings anymore. It was, is and will continue to be all about the money. I was taken in, I freely admit it. I'm ashamed of how I was fooled by this charade.

You talk about Morrissey like he left your crazy ass at the altar. This is so unsettling. He is NOT responsible for your feelings. He's a singer - a very good singer. Sometimes he cancels. Sometimes he doesnt. Sometimes he takes his shirt off. Sometimes he doesn't. Why aren you so deranged over him?
 
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Whizz Kid

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You talk about Morrissey like he left your crazy ass at the alter. This is so unsettling. He is NOT responsible for your feelings. He's a singer - a very good singer. Sometimes he cancels. Sometimes he doesnt. Sometimes he takes his shirt off. Sometimes he doesn't. Why aren you so deranged over him?

Why are you defending him?
 

wastelandofyourhead

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Morrissey’s great sin wasn’t crooning while drunk and stumbling off the stage. Then cutting the live album off that performance.

It’s easy to defend someone for such disproportional outrage over something that’s not even related to their primary export.

But we can still all talk about it, and get to vote with our money.
 
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Anonymous

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Morrissey’s great sin wasn’t crooning while drunk and stumbling off the stage. Then cutting the live album off that performance.

It’s easy to defend someone for such disproportional outrage over something that’s not even related to their primary export.

But we can still all talk about it, and get to vote with our money.

When did that happen? Which live album are we talking about?
 

Kenmare

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In the 1980's, Morrissey was all about being anti Tory, anti thatcher. it seemed to me he viewed them as a threat to the common people that are the real fabric of Britian, the people who do the working, and dying, for the UK.
it looks to me now he is again standing up for those same people, who he now views( rightly or wrongly ) as threatened now by forces from outside the country. i dont see a radical turn in his views, but i do see that he perceives completely different forces opposing the people he has consistently spoken for. not at all the same as trump, and his ilk, who have only ever spoken only for their own selves.
Morrissey's lodestar has always been Morrissey, for good or ill. My mundane opinion is that he's likely Aspie, and those things and people which upset his idea of The Way Things Ought to Be are anathema to him. Being Aspie doesn't make him an evil man by any means...for him, it's meant that he's a brilliant lyricist, and has had a devilish time developing/maintaining social relationships and the attendant growth that most normies take for granted. As such, as I do with many artists whose personal lives don't meet the perfection of my impeccable standards and behavior (snark), I take the best--that that man's talent has literally saved my life--and sympathise with the Aspie tendencies.
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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Morrissey's lodestar has always been Morrissey, for good or ill. My mundane opinion is that he's likely Aspie, and those things and people which upset his idea of The Way Things Ought to Be are anathema to him. Being Aspie doesn't make him an evil man by any means...for him, it's meant that he's a brilliant lyricist, and has had a devilish time developing/maintaining social relationships and the attendant growth that most normies take for granted. As such, as I do with many artists whose personal lives don't meet the perfection of my impeccable standards and behavior (snark), I take the best--that that man's talent has literally saved my life--and sympathise with the Aspie tendencies.

He might be on the spectrum. I am for sure. This is why we love each other :)
 

Whizz Kid

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Morrissey's lodestar has always been Morrissey, for good or ill. My mundane opinion is that he's likely Aspie, and those things and people which upset his idea of The Way Things Ought to Be are anathema to him. Being Aspie doesn't make him an evil man by any means...for him, it's meant that he's a brilliant lyricist, and has had a devilish time developing/maintaining social relationships and the attendant growth that most normies take for granted. As such, as I do with many artists whose personal lives don't meet the perfection of my impeccable standards and behavior (snark), I take the best--that that man's talent has literally saved my life--and sympathise with the Aspie tendencies.

If he had such a diagnosis, he should say so. He's outspoken about everything else. He would get a lot more understanding.
 
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vegan cro spirit 555

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When he needed people to make money, he HAD to be nice. It was required. Now he's older and he has money, he doesn't give a shit any more and has reverted to what he always was underneath while he needed other people. The donation to Love Music Hate Racism was a hollow and calculated business decision. The man is an island now, and he's changed in the sense that he doesn't need to hide his true feelings anymore. It was, is and will continue to be all about the money. I was taken in, I freely admit it. I'm ashamed of how I was fooled by this charade. To dress his views as still standing up for the small person is absurd and wrong. Either you empathise with people suffering or fleeing persecution, or you don't. Either you can put yourself in someone else's shoes or you can't. Similarly you can either take responsibility for your own mistakes or you can't. Morrissey can do none of the above, and it's a crying shame. A shame for what he was, is and remains. An isolated figure surrounded by people he's paid to tell him how great he is.



now its "fleeing persecution":lbf:
5 min ago it was "because they were born different":lbf:

seems to me you change according to your convenient BS.:lbf:
I take it 'surface' has also revised himself too.:clap:
 

Kenmare

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If he had such a diagnosis, he should say so. He's outspoken about everything else.
Wasn't really thought of as a syndrome 'til the 80's, and not commonly diagnosed 'til a decade after that. If someone's older than 40 or so, you'd be hard pressed to find diagnoses while young. And from what I've seen, it's far more diagnosed in the USA than the UK
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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If he had such a diagnosis, he should say so. He's outspoken about everything else. He would get a lot more understanding.

Maybe he's not been diagnosed. Everyone is on the spectrum to some degree. One of the defining characteristics is to have extraordinary verbal language skills.

Other characteristics:

Difficulty with social interactions
Restricted interests
Desire for sameness
Distinctive strengths

Strengths can include:

Remarkable focus and persistence
Aptitude for recognizing patterns
Attention to detail
Challenges can include:

Hypersensitivities (to lights, sounds, tastes, etc.)
Difficulty with the give and take of conversation
Difficulty with nonverbal conversation skills (distance, loudness, tone, etc.)
Uncoordinated movements, or clumsiness
Anxiety and depression
The tendencies described above vary widely among people. Many learn to overcome their challenges by building on strengths.
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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Wasn't really thought of as a syndrome 'til the 80's, and not commonly diagnosed 'til a decade after that. If someone's older than 40 or so, you'd be hard pressed to find diagnoses while young. And from what I've seen, it's far more diagnosed in the USA than the UK


This is true. I was among 7 kids diagnosed when i was 8 years old. We were put into a special kids classroom -adjacent to the library. For the 1st half of the day, we were able to do whatever we wanted to do - read books, write, make art, OR play music. 2nd half was more structured. After a couple of years of this, I was BETTER. I jumped a grade and then coasted through HS and college. It was TOO easy. So,yea.
 

reelfountain

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Those who say Morrissey has turned 'right-wing' are wrong. For example in 1997 in Britain New Labour won the election, and many were fooled into believing they had voted in a socialist party who would finally the help the working class. Watching Noel Gallagher's coke-addled speech at the Brits Awards praising Tony Blair as some kind of savior of the masses is excruciating (it's on youtube). New Labour simply continued the right wing policies of Thatcher and took them way further.

They opened the floodgates for economic migrants (citing 'benevolence' and 'humanitarian' concerns - when government do neither of these things ever) which undercuts wages for ordinary working people but is great for those at the top of large businesses and corporations. In other words the 'large movement of people' (for their cheap labour) is a capitalist strategy. So with left-wing New Labour, instead of getting socialists we got an even more capitalist party than the Tories.

This is an example of why the terms 'right' and 'left' are meaningless now. Morrissey has always been on the side of the people - ordinary people. And despite the propaganda about benevolence and humanitarianism, mass immigration does not help ordinary people in any way. It creates a surplus pool of labour which keeps wages low and puts stresses on services (which the government then uses as an excuse to get rid of these services: we just can't afford them anymore. The death of services does not affect the middle class (who run the media singlehandedly) and as the working class have no voice their concerns are easily written off as 'racist', 'cruel' or 'reactionary'. You don't like engineered migration and its resultant low wages and lack of services? Shut up you racist!

The very same people who hate Thatcher for her dismantling of industries and the unemployment it caused, are often the same people praising globalisation and its free movement of people for exploitative labour. This is how brainwashed so many are now - mindlessly citing establishment mantras.

Too many people let television, the news and social media do their thinking. They need to turn all this shit off, sit down and have a real think. To them Moz will always be a racist until the status quo says he isn't. Then they'll tentatively say: Oh, so are we allowed to listen to him again now? Has the official word been given?

That's no exaggeration. 1984 has happened. It's the sum of how people think now.
 
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