Granted, This Is A Minor Quibble, But Nevertheless...

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  1. Comtesse

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    It's hard to explain why, but I get really irritated when Morrissey uses "we" instead of "I" in songs. Like, "You were good in your time and WE thank you". And, "WE love them/WE mourn for them... WE miss them/Every night WE kiss them". It just sounds weird to me - like he's trying to be spokesperson for a group or something. "WE represent the Mopey Pop Guild, the Mopey Pop Guild, the Mopey Pop Guild."

    He's always represented himself as such a loner, an outcast, an individual, that to hear him use "we" just sounds wrong to me. (I know he did it on "We'll Let You Know" but he was singing from an alternate perspective of a football hooligan, so it didn't grate so much. And "Nobody Loves Us" is sheer perfection so it doesn't count.) I just think that the chorus of "You Were Good In Your Time" would work much better if he kept it personal: "You were good in your time and I thank you". It would be more touching because he wasn't trying to speak for someone else - it would be from his own heart which is hurt. As it is, I get this image of him as a lawyer representing the Estate of Morrissey or something: "On behalf of Morrissey, we would like to thank you for your achievements in being good in your time."

    Does anybody feel the same way I do?

    Oh, and I've decided I shouldn't post when I'm in the midst of a bout of depression as I was the other day. It leads to uncouth behavior, unsound judgement, and uncharacteristic rudeness. Though Sorry won't bring my teen years back to me, I'd like to say it anyway.
     
  2. Wall of Death

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    We think you have too much time on your hands.
     
  3. Brel

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    Cant say we do no!
     
  4. Brel

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    You beat me to it!!!;)

    But we forgive you
     
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    We thank you for such forgiveness. On behalf of everyone in the world, we appreciate it.
     
  6. Jukebox Jury

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    It's a song written about Manchester City fans to Robbie Fowler.....

    Robbie..... you were good in your time.... but by the time you came to us.... you were shit:D

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    the 'we' is a form of hiding. i guess that's what annoys you? it mildly irks me. but i'm so used to him hiding himself inside various ambiguities (half of the reason for blurred gender lines?) that i suppose i've just come to accept it.

    'you were good in your time' confuses me at the moment. i'm not sure who he is referring or what their relation is to him. i can't help think he may be singing about himself? i haven't worked it out yet.
     
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    or "give US a drink and make it quick"

    there is no "US"... he wants it or else he's gonna be sick.


    this reminds me of the way smeagol speaks from LOTR.
     
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  10. Wall of Death

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    The "us" in this context is deliberate - a lot of people in the UK say 'us' instead of 'me'. Granted, most of them are fairly uneducated, but this fits in with Our Frank.

    E.g. "Give us a copy of The Sun please, mate"
    "Give us a pint of Tennents"
    "Give us a minute"
     
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    You were Good in Your Time is obviously about a musical hero. By the fact that they are famous means there would be more than one person feeling the way Morrissey does about him/her, so the "we" is accurate.

    "Give us a drink", is just a common expression to mean "Give me a drink". I'd never thought of it specific to the UK before. That's quite interesting. Do people in America never use "us" to mean "me"?
     
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    That's quite common in (Northern) England, it's only meant to meant one person. Mad, I know.
     
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    Vauxhall95 I Know It's Over...

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    I always believed he thought he was being clever or humorous. At least, that was the way I took them, so no it doesn't really bother me.:)

     
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  15. Brel

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    Exactly. People say "Give us a kiss". They do to me anyway!!
     
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    It's pretty common down south too. I don't think it's specific to the north.
     
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    Post away to your heart's content Comtesse...

    One of the reasons I come here is to study the minutiae of Morrissey so, to me, this is an interesting point.

    Sorry to be confrontational but comments like 'you have too much spare time' or whatever, are a little insensitive, given that this is exactly the sort of thing Morrissey would obsess about with Oscar Wilde, Jobriath etc.

    Anyway, I think that Moz is using the 'royal' we when he writes in this way... just my theory
     
  18. No, not really. It sounds very Britishy to me.
     
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    I hear this song and I think the person who was good in his time is himself and the message is coming from the fans.

    Same thing with We Hate It...
    It's about him.. not by him.
     
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    Ha ha ha ha ha ha yes..... but we sang the song 5 years ago...... yet Rovers still bought him 6 months ago:eek:!!!! Is he still there?
     
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