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  1. I put poetry in quotes and called it lyrics. It's pretty clear that it was written to accompany music. But Morrissey did do those commercials where he read the lyrics from "World Peace" as if it were poetry. The point is that both are examples of the same form of expression, and one is great and one isn't, in my opinion, and again, if there is no bad art how can there be good art? As the philosopher Marilyn Manson said "If you love everyone what value does that place on love?"
    If you're going to listen to music and there is no bad music then you only need one record. that's kind of liberating really. You might want a speed control so you can match it to your mood. If you want to wind down you can play it really slow. I read an interview with this band once. They started out playing 12-bar three chord blues which are all pretty similar except for the words and little melody parts. They got a job but they only knew four or five of these songs so to play at a bar all night they had to play them slow, medium, and fast.
    I just think that if all lyrics are good and all songs are the same it seems like it would be sort of hard to be passionate about any of it. I guess it would explain the music charts though. As someone once sang "it could go on forever in which case I'm doomed."
     
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  2. Quando quando quando

    Quando quando quando Well-Known Member

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    If you translate the right to write bad poetry to the right to be free to do so as the goal to go to war for you are right. But it is only one aspect of to be free. I wouldn't single it out of the rest of to be free.

    Of course there is good and bad poetry,.... in my opinion.
    Just like I guess there is in yours.
    Your taste and mine keeps developing.
    I am just keeping open the possibility my taste might change.
    And, there is no authority to decide for you what is good or bad poetry.
    Would you accept that authority? I doubt it.

    You are asking me who cares when there is no good or bad poetry.
    I do. I feel free to do so. I don't care that nobody seems to care.
    You make out what is good or bad poetry and what is the difference.

    What do you mean with "the real world"?
    We live in an absurd, irreal, surreal world, where anything good or bad can happen.
    There is no difference between the poets who think they are good at their poetry cause they are deluded by all the praise and lots of other non-poets who are deluded too.

    I like it you appreciate the lyrics to Maladjusted and I totally agree.
    For me Kiss Me A Lot is a great single but it is such a different song.
    Although the lyrics might not be that great in comparison, the important thing for me is Moz expressed that overwhelming, tantalizing, beautiful feeling of longing, of love, of romance, of going completely out of your mind, that feeling of never minding anything else then to love, to give love and to receive love, in all aspects and not leaving out the erotic components. Not leaving out? Very directly stating the state of happiness it gives to him!

    And all this in a very catchy, brooding, triumphically explosion of feeling.
    I think it is a universal feeling, very well expressed, musically and lyrically and there are enough people, fans, immediately recognizing that feeling and feeling that connection.
    But that is just my opinion.

    So Maladjusted and Kiss Me A Lot are not the same. They are different.
    Cheers!
     
  3. Anonymous

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    You are a poet who didn't know it
     
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  4. Dog shit is just a different flavor of pudding. lol
     
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  5. g23

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    I won't judge poetry. What is garbage to me is golden to others, and vise versa. And it always means something to the writer.
    But there is a site that can be decent at times, and is full of opportunity to write, critique, and be critiqued.
    Go to allpoetry.com. But do stay away from the forums. They're full of crazy people. ;)
     
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  6. Quando quando quando

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    So you tasted them both?
     
  7. Dog shit
    is none of your business
    Moz-bots
    don't know the difference
    Good poems
    And bad ones, side by side
    Make me
    Feel black on the inside
     
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    'But Morrissey did do those commercials where he read the lyrics from "World Peace" as if it were poetry.'

    He said in an interview he was forced/persuaded to do those, it wasn't his idea. So if he is looking back on those ads as unfavorable to him, it could be he didn't see them as poetry, or to be experienced without the musical accompaniment. So we can't really say that the authors intention was for those lyrics to be thought of as poems/poetry. Though this is speculation from both of us, and we won't know the truth until he comes out and says exactly what he considers those or other lyrics of his to actually be.
     
  9. I called the examples lyrics and put poems or poetry in quotes.
     
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  10. Quando quando quando

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    Lyrics, poems, poetry, prose, essays, novels, words on music are all different type of forms to me to express the (lyrical) content. And many times the diversions between them are not there. Sometimes they are or they are crossed and not that clearly to distinguish. There are lyrics which are almost like an essay.
    There are novels which are more like poetry. And so they are all different in form.

    I sense you have a more strict idea of what good poetry should be like and you apply your rules to make out if it is good or bad. The argument there must be bad poetry cause otherwise there would not be good poetry either is a good argument, but it is only for you to decide. There is no authority other then you.
    It's not like a scientific fact that can't be denied.
    Or statistic facts that can be measured. (That can be manipulated to get the results the client wants).

    I like to think art is another area with no rules. One of the last areas if you are able to ignore the so-called experts. Which means freedom, to me.

    I remember people criticising abstract, conceptual art, saying things like, my little son, or daughter can do the same and because of that it was no art. Meaning it was too easy. But when I asked why their little son or daughter didn't do it they had other activities that were so much more challenging. :rolleyes:

    To me, as well as you, there is good art and bad art.
    I have a problem to understand people who say things like, that's not art when they don't like it.
    Cause, if it's not art, what is it?
    Where that line is drawn is only a matter of ever changing taste and opinion in Western society.
    Is that good or bad? Dunno.
     
  11. Anonymous

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    The spoken words promo were a good idea. Everyone knew they were lyrics and meant to be sung and not necessarily read aloud
     
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  12. 12" on the slack

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    Art is the application of creative skill and technique to express imagination, ideas, and emotions, and/or reflect something in/about the world and human nature. Skill and technique can be measured. Bad art is when the intention is there but the skill and care are missing.
     
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  13. Anonymous

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    That's the reason you are here. This forum is an oasis of mental clarity. ;)
     
  14. Anonymous

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    Say that to your parents.
     
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  15. Anonymous

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    James, don't stop writing or doing art because of people's opinions.
     
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  16. Anonymous

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    But if he does he was never meant to do it. It takes strength to be brutal and blind.
     
  17. Read the posts between Ketamine Sun and myself in this thread.
     
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  18. Quando quando quando

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    I did.
    Did you read mine?
     
  19. g23

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    100%. I appreciate the level headed and sane discourse that M-solo brings to my life.
     
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  20. Quando quando quando

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    I know what you mean Kenmare, but let's make it one. :)
    Why not?
     
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