Geoff Travis on the Morrissey of today

(Originally posted in the Strange/unexpected Moz references? thread)

Rough around the edges: Former Smiths record label manager talks about his latest batch of Irish acts


"The first question you must of course ask Geoff Travis is what he thinks of Morrissey’s ongoing descent into far-right notoriety. Back in 1980s Travis discovered The Smiths and, with his record label Rough Trade, helped propel Moz toward gladioli-flourishing immortality. How long ago that must seem — how bittersweet the memories.

“Not bitter, no,” says Travis. “It was one of those periods that went by in a flash. Morrissey wasn’t the person he now seems to be. He was an interesting character to be around. As a band, The Smiths were an unstoppable force. A lot of years have gone by. I don’t think I’d recognise the Morrissey of today. It’s sad what he’s become, in terms of his views.”"


https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ut-his-latest-batch-of-irish-acts-963182.html



A brief Morrissey segue in to the article's title.
Regards,
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Another day. Trill still being racist.

Why don't you tell me what you hate Morrissey for, since it's obviously not the racism allegations? You're happy to support far worse than he has. So what's he done?
Hey, thanks for writing in, Nerys. I never normally reply to anyone writing to me on here, I just like to downmark all posts by anyone repeatedly defending Morrissey’s racism (such as you) and to upmark anyone who repeatedly acknowledges Morrissey’s racism and condemns him for it. You know, the normal people. But, in your case, I’m going to make an exception.

I don’t read any posts by you (or other racism defenders) anymore because they’re tediously dull. I just downmark them because it pisses you off so incredibly easily. To be fair to you, I thought you at least came from a healthier angle that some of the others. You commented on Morrissey’s mental health. Fair enough. But then you just kept openly defending him just like the other racists. You may not consider yourself a racist but you repeatedly defend a man with a platform who spouts racist remarks all the time, so that makes you, you know, a racist. But who knows? Your attitude could have completely changed. I don’t know. I don’t read your posts. Just saw the word Trill on this one and decided to read on. Hope that answers your question and I look forward to you pretending that it didn’t. Either way, I won’t be replying again as you are horrible. Bye!
 
Hey, thanks for writing in, Nerys. I never normally reply to anyone writing to me on here, I just like to downmark all posts by anyone repeatedly defending Morrissey’s racism (such as you) and to upmark anyone who repeatedly acknowledges Morrissey’s racism and condemns him for it. You know, the normal people. But, in your case, I’m going to make an exception.

I don’t read any posts by you (or other racism defenders) anymore because they’re tediously dull. I just downmark them because it pisses you off so incredibly easily. To be fair to you, I thought you at least came from a healthier angle that some of the others. You commented on Morrissey’s mental health. Fair enough. But then you just kept openly defending him just like the other racists. You may not consider yourself a racist but you repeatedly defend a man with a platform who spouts racist remarks all the time, so that makes you, you know, a racist. But who knows? Your attitude could have completely changed. I don’t know. I don’t read your posts. Just saw the word Trill on this one and decided to read on. Hope that answers your question and I look forward to you pretending that it didn’t. Either way, I won’t be replying again as you are horrible. Bye!
Skinny very trite good troll/bad troll routine. Nerak the reasonable hate troll, while 'Trill' is the raving one. Totally transparent Skinny give it a break.
 
They should have probably gone to EMI in the beginning. They might have forced Morrissey to get a decent manager & turn up to everything he's booked for when he was still new enough to be influenced.
Yes. Given the number of times Moz didn't feel like getting out of bed, or left the rest of the band waiting at the airport, or he walked out of recording sessions and went back to his mums, or failed to turn up to film a video - yet how desperately keen he was to not languish unknown - sometimes The Smiths success was in spite of him.

If he was an employee who'd behaved like that, his manager would've fired him.
 
Yes. Given the number of times Moz didn't feel like getting out of bed, or left the rest of the band waiting at the airport, or he walked out of recording sessions and went back to his mums, or failed to turn up to film a video - yet how desperately keen he was to not languish unknown - sometimes The Smiths success was in spite of him.

If he was an employee who'd behaved like that, his manager would've fired him.
Skinny you know Morrissey was the Smiths the rest were lawnmower parts and hangers on. If Moz stayed in bed there would be no Smiths that day.

Moz was boss, he fired the incompetent lot of lawnmower parts. But you know all this, Skinny.
 
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You provided media coverage of small, inconclusive studies. There are no behavioural genes. Science will outlive your inability to read past journalese.
You confuse media with scientific facts and presentations. You are beyond help. The fact you are unable to debate it means you realise that what you believe in is not true at all.

Head in the sand only works for so long.
 
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I'm not sure it's applicable to all 'blacks', although there is a school of reliable thought that, during the days of the slave trade, all the ones who ended up in Jamaica were put there for a reason; they had a very aggressive nature compared to others.

Having been to many places in the Caribbean, I can state that the people there, particularly males, are more aggressive than any other 'black' I've encountered. That said, the women are aggressive & abusive too, even very foul-mouthed. As a 'white' we got racially abused by a woman whilst travelling through a small town in a taxi, despite being driven by a trusted local. Most unnerving & unpleasant experience.

It's probably supported also by the data connected with high levels of crime, drugs, & gang warfare over there. I can't be arsed to look for reliable data to provide, but feel free to DYOR.
Jamaica is the only place on the planet getting away with homophobia which of course has to do with black people getting away with almost anything. At the same time you cannot accuse them for fighting degeneration and decadence.

Everywhere socialism meddle in things they end up with the problem of their friends becoming enemies with people that the socialists wants to agree with. Feminism and islam is one example and black people and the gay lobby another.

Socialism struggles to gather the masses like before and is fast losing it. Controversy and division means they cannot unite the so called working class under one banner anymore.

Socialism reacts by staying passive so socialist feminism gives up on muslim women and are too scared to criticise black homophobia.
 
Yes. Given the number of times Moz didn't feel like getting out of bed, or left the rest of the band waiting at the airport, or he walked out of recording sessions and went back to his mums, or failed to turn up to film a video - yet how desperately keen he was to not languish unknown - sometimes The Smiths success was in spite of him.

If he was an employee who'd behaved like that, his manager would've fired him.
Yes - he wouldn't survive in the real world. It was the arts or nothing. In mitigation, he clearly does have something wrong with him, whether it's anxiety, or he's on the spectrum (or whatever) - but I've worked with a few meltdowners & if they get a sense of obligation & discipline drummed into them early, they'll usually learn to turn up to everything they've agreed to, even if they spend months in hiding in between jobs.
 
You confuse media with scientific facts and presentations. You are beyond help. The fact you are unable to debate it means you realise that what you believe in is not true at all.

Head in the sand only works for so long.
Here's a wee blog for you - but if you go to any of the actual studies & read them, you'll discover that they have a tiny sample size & are inconclusive.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...r-gene-makes-me-mad-whether-i-have-it-or-not/

(I see Trill is now openly liking racist posts).
 
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Here's a wee blog for you - but if you go to any of the actual studies & read them, you'll discover that they have a tiny sample size & are inclusive.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...r-gene-makes-me-mad-whether-i-have-it-or-not/

(I see Trill is now openly liking racist posts).
The black community blame the anger gene on slavery which doesn't hold up in scientific studies. I don't think people in general are aware what it means to a carry a gene that is not shared by many others and certainly not those of another race.

Inclusive you say and science is the only inclusive arena there is for finding the truth. It's always been the case that lefties such as yourself have only approved of studies that confirm your view on the world which is far from being inclusive.

The whole picture shows something different. You and me are talking about different things from different perspectives. You are guided by politics whereas I am guided by a search for knowledge. I am prepared to take all things into account but you are clearly not.

This is what separate us. If you dropped the name calling and weren't so afraid of your own racism this could become an interesting debate but right now your mind is locked.
 
The black community blame the anger gene on slavery which doesn't hold up in scientific studies. I don't think people in general are aware what it means to a carry a gene that is not shared by many others and certainly not those of another race.

Inclusive you say and science is the only inclusive arena there is for finding the truth. It's always been the case that lefties such as yourself have only approved of studies that confirm your view on the world which is far from being inclusive.

The whole picture shows something different. You and me are talking about different things from different perspectives. You are guided by politics whereas I am guided by a search for knowledge. I am prepared to take all things into account but you are clearly not.

This is what separate us. If you dropped the name calling and weren't so afraid of your own racism this could become an interesting debate but right now your mind is locked.
I meant inconclusive!

And I may be a left-winger, but I'm also pedantic. I would accept actual proof.
 
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I meant inconclusive!

And I may be a left-winger, but I'm also pedantic. I would accept actual proof.
Inclusive or inconclusive doesn't matter here my replies still stands. What you call inconclusive have been proven beyond doubt.
I doubt that anyone could present anything to you and that you would study it carefully and admit that it is right.
The work starts with you and to process scientific studies you need to be open minded. There are studies that have been ordered by political groups to confirm something they believe in. That's not science and has more to do with propaganda.
I doubt you would accept actual proof because you have created a concept world that is a must in order for you to think the way you do and vote the way you do.
Of all political parties socialist voters around the world share one thing and that is that they only vote socialist cause of their parents and family and they would still do it even if the socialist party programme changed drastically which it has.
These people do not vote for what they truly believe in but in a way that is expected of them. They have no political knowledgeand quite frankly could not care less.
 
Inclusive or inconclusive doesn't matter here my replies still stands. What you call inconclusive have been proven beyond doubt.
I doubt that anyone could present anything to you and that you would study it carefully and admit that it is right.
The work starts with you and to process scientific studies you need to be open minded. There are studies that have been ordered by political groups to confirm something they believe in. That's not science and has more to do with propaganda.
I doubt you would accept actual proof because you have created a concept world that is a must in order for you to think the way you do and vote the way you do.
Of all political parties socialist voters around the world share one thing and that is that they only vote socialist cause of their parents and family and they would still do it even if the socialist party programme changed drastically which it has.
These people do not vote for what they truly believe in but in a way that is expected of them. They have no political knowledgeand quite frankly could not care less.
Nonsense. And racial theories also used to apply to class - so Moz would never have escaped his Irishness (used to be thought of as an inferior race) or his class (only fit for a factory).
 
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Nonsense. And racial theories also used to apply to class - so Moz would never have escaped his Irishness (used to be thought of as an inferior race) or his class (only fit for a factory).
You use a word without explaining what you mean and that post from you really is inconclusive.

There is only scientific proof that we discuss here not your theories.
 
You use a word without explaining what you mean and that post from you really is inconclusive.

There is only scientific proof that we discuss here not your theories.
It's not my theory - it's the theory you think has been scientifically proven.

Still, you've got Trill on your side.
 
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It's not my theory - it's the theory you think has been scientifically proven.

Still, you've got Trill on your side.
A theory that I think has been scientifically proven you say without mentioning which one cause there are many theories.

If you mean any of the ones I've mentioned then those have been scientifically proven beyond any doubt.
 
Minorities uniformly vote one way. To say mass immigration has no effect and that race and culture are very minor differences ignores history. Western Civilization was set apart due to our culture and values and it is tied to our bloodlines
 
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Minorities uniformly vote one way. To say mass immigration has no effect and that race and culture are very minor differences ignores history. Western Civilization was set apart due to are culture and values and it is tied to our bloodlines
Imported minorities are called voting cattle in Sweden and they all vote for the social democrats or else they lose their welfare benefits or so they are lead to believe.
 
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...The Saudis sponsored the main mosque here in Brussels for decades, and everybody knew it. But our lame politicians didn't act....until the terrorist attacks of 2016. Saudi Arabia really has an ugly regime, but they are very rich and influential.
I know they do throw their money about - I'm just saying that they won't take over Europe that way.
That's because Islam does things 'their' way: http://thegreatarchitect.blog/2019/11/18/the-islamic-states-of-america/
 
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FOR NERAK:

Actor Sacha Baron Cohen wants increased Jewish power over the "propaganda machines"

Of The editorial staff ,2019-11-23
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JUDICIAL POWER. Jewish comedian Sacha Baron Cohen has been awarded the ADL International Leadership Award. Cohen regrets that Jews do not own and control all media.


Sacha Baron Cohen receives ADL's International Leadership Award shortly after he started playing Mossadagent in a new television series. Photo: ADL.

In his speech to the powerful Jewish lobby and persecution organization Anti Defamation League (ADL) when he received the organization's international leadership award, actor Sacha Baron Cohen - in Sweden best known for his role character Borat - praised ADL for their intense fight to stop the hatred (against Jews).

He also said that social media companies are "the biggest propaganda machines in history" and accused Facebook, Google and others of facilitating the spread of hate (against Jews) through their websites.

Cohen delivered two "constructive" proposals to stop the spread of "threats and hatred, fake news and conspiracy theories".

One is that ADL and other Jewish stakeholders should entirely own the media and content of the platforms that have dynamic content, ie content that can be changed by consumers:



Cohen's second proposal is to seize the opportunity to limit the first amendment to the US Constitution that guarantees the right of American citizens to express themselves:

- [Facebook manager Mark Zuckerberg ] argued that further restrictions on what may be posted on social media would mean "abandoning the principle of freedom of expression". This is total nonsense. The first amendment states that "Congress should not enact any law" that restricts freedom of speech, but this does not apply to private companies like Facebook, Cohen said in his speech.

Sacha Baron Cohen believes that Jews can very well stifle freedom of speech and regulate what is said, if they own and regulate all material flowing through their platforms.

The reactions to Cohen's call for strengthened Jewish power did not wait. Anti-nationalist citizen journalist Adam Green 's favorite journalist, Jewess Whitney Webb on Mint Press News , tweeted in a reply to her kinsman that it is " weird that you get this award after you start playing a Moss Agent on TV ".

Food and nutritionist Blanche Shaheen, who runs the blog Feast in the Middle East , is hooked on writing that " they come up with their own meaningless awards to pursue their own agendas ..."

 
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