For Britain's Anne Marie Waters thanks Morrissey in video message

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[Qvist]

Your first assumption should be that Morrissey must have heard some very persuasive arguments in order to do that.

Why on Earth should that be my first assumption? FB is what it is, whatever Morrissey thinks about them. If he understands what they are and think that is persuasive, then that has consequences for how I see Morrissey, not for how I see FB.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

If he understands what they are and think that is persuasive, then that has consequences for how I see Morrissey, not for how I see FB.

Morrissey was complaining about the Americanization of British culture back in in the early 90's. Morrissey was annoyed by Britain taking on cultural aspects of people who were the same race. Morrissey didn't even like the British acting like different kinds of white people. So if Moz wasn't cool with Americanization OF COURSE he's not going to be cool with Islamization.
Could you imagine that? "I'm fine with all these Muslims coming here, starting gangs, and blowing stuff up as long as they don't say 'cool' and 'awesome' too much. That American slang really grinds my gears".

 

[WhalleyRange]

Wonder what Waters thinks of Morrissey's view of soldiers and the royals.

Zionist shill. And coward.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

Zionist shill

That part is most unfortunate and also undermines her claims to reject all forms of collectivism.

 

[Qvist]

Morrissey was complaining about the Americanization of British culture back in in the early 90's. Morrissey was annoyed by Britain taking on cultural aspects of people who were the same race. Morrissey didn't even like the British acting like different kinds of white people. So if Moz wasn't cool with Americanization OF COURSE he's not going to be cool with Islamization.
Could you imagine that? "I'm fine with all these Muslims coming here, starting gangs, and blowing stuff up as long as they don't say 'cool' and 'awesome' too much. That American slang really grinds my gears".

That line of argument is permeated With radical right ideas even in its basic assumptions, which means that it simply doesn't make basic sense to anyone who does not share that mindset. Which is most People. Firstly, I think it is nonsense that culture is an expresison of race. Secondly, I think relating to cultures on the basis of race is both pointless and vile. Being opposed to "americanization" has nothing whatsoever to do With race, or With Your attitude to Americans for that matter. Or With Your attitude to american culture. It just means being annoyed by thoughtless copying of something that has no real relation to Your own circumstances. I can't recall him objecting to Americans coming to Britain. Thirdly, the fact that there are muslims in Britain does not amount to "islamification".

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

That line of argument is permeated With radical right

See, I do not consider my views to be "radical" or "extreme". I consider the scale of the threat to Western Civilization to be "extreme". I consider the scope of the problems facing us to be "extreme".

My view are not extreme. They are perfectly rational and reasonable solutions to a sever crisis. If you think my view are extreme, then you do not understand the situation we are in.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh FFS ...

When will the Reelfountain sympathisers learn?

She's racist - just look at her posts.
She's a paedophile sympathiser - just look at her posts.
And she thinks every f***ing thing is a conspiracy - just read her posts.

I neither respect her, her views or how she presents her views.

For anyone to fight her corner I find disgusting because she is disgusting. Too low for Solo? I hope so.

 

[Qvist]

See, I do not consider my views to be "radical" or "extreme". I consider the scale of the threat to Western Civilization to be "extreme". I consider the scope of the problems facing us to be "extreme".

My view are not extreme. They are perfectly rational and reasonable solutions to a sever crisis. If you think my view are extreme, then you do not understand the situation we are in.

Well, that debate can't go much further before we're at the "yes you are", "No I'm not" Level, which isn't much point. So I'll just note where you stand vis-a-vis reality, and tell you where I stand, and then perhaps things are best left there.

Your idea of an "extreme threat to western civilization" from the sort of Things I assume you have in mind is to me delusional and paranoid, and just feeds a warped world view. I don't know what Your solutions are, since you haven't described them, but given how you define the issues, they can hardly be either reasonable or rational, resting as they do on essentially a paranoid fantasy. I do think I understand the situation we are in, I just don't share Your delusions about them. And Your views are Extreme. I use those Words advisedly and coolly, I do not intend to rile you. This is just how it appears to me if I describe Things straightforwardly, as they appear to me.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, that debate can't go much further before we're at the "yes you are", "No I'm not" Level, which isn't much point. So I'll just note where you stand vis-a-vis reality, and tell you where I stand, and then perhaps things are best left there.

Your idea of an "extreme threat to western civilization" from the sort of Things I assume you have in mind is to me delusional and paranoid, and just feeds a warped world view. I don't know what Your solutions are, since you haven't described them, but given how you define the issues, they can hardly be either reasonable or rational, resting as they do on essentially a paranoid fantasy. I do think I understand the situation we are in, I just don't share Your delusions about them. And Your views are Extreme. I use those Words advisedly and coolly, I do not intend to rile you. This is just how it appears to me if I describe Things straightforwardly, as they appear to me.

A reasonable response in an age of increasingly acceptable extreme views.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

Your idea of an "extreme threat to western civilization" from the sort of Things I assume you have in mind is to me delusional and paranoid, and just feeds a warped world view. I don't know what Your solutions are, since you haven't described them, but given how you define the issues, they can hardly be either reasonable or rational, resting as they do on essentially a paranoid fantasy. I do think I understand the situation we are in, I just don't share Your delusions about them. And Your views are Extreme. I use those Words advisedly and coolly, I do not intend to rile you. This is just how it appears to me if I describe Things straightforwardly, as they appear to me.

 

[GodEmperorMorrissey]

Moz releases his album and Theresa May announces her resignation. Beautiful day for England..Brexit

 

[reelfountain]

National Action's logo

Was based on Oswald Mosely's British Union of Fascists

I dunno. I heard a podcast with the leader of National Action and he explained why they did the things they did. He said they were explicitly National Socialist because they didn't want people coming in and then trying to water down the message. So they made the bar very high: National Socialism or gtfo and that was to ward off the thin-skinned.

Also, you think National Action was an MI5 operation but that Renshaw, it's spokesman, wasn't? Renshaw was National Action's spokesman. If you were a intelligence agency creating a honeytrap, the position of spokesman is the one you would most want one of your guys to be in. You'd want one of your own people writing the script and making sure the message is right.

Look, there are people who get off dressing up in costumes and don't need any prodding from the government to do it. Too many.

No, I said I had a theory that Renshaw was working for MI5 as National Action's main man. He believed in the cause but they had something on him and used it against him when he became either no more use to them or too dangerous. This is how they operate. It is easy to blackmail a gay man who is in 'the closet'. This is how British intelligence got some IRA men to turn into informers. Get info on them: closeted gayness, affairs, child abuse, a big crime that they think they've got away with etc. I believe they got Renshaw to form National Action in the same way they got Charlie Sargent to form Combat 18 in the 90s. C18 collapsed when he murdered a fellow member (as yes, like you said, the far right can attract psychos).

MI5 target people who genuinely believe in the cause and sometimes pay them money if they have no blackmail on them. Renshaw might have been told by a government handler: Look, we need a far right group out there to politically balance things (this is what they told NF informants in the 70s and 80s citing the threat of communism taking over Britain, which almost happened). 'Here's some regular cash. Just give us all the names of who you recruit and we'll keep the organisation well funded and publicized.'

 

[reelfountain]

More claims of collusion and conspiracy. This time about user IPs. Get a grip of yourselves.

These claims come from racists and paedophile sympathisers and are merely attempts to deflect from the accusations made.

This Trumpish attempt to dismiss everything and anything this minority group disapproves of is sinister.

They make racist, white supremacist, holocaust denying and paedophile sympathising comments only to deny their own words. It's infantile and I'll say it again, Trumpish.

If these people genuinely wished to hold a constructive debate then they would have, from the outset, used considerably less inflammatory language about minority and other groups. They didn't. They won't. They can't. Their inherent racism always seeps through. The anger, the hatred is palpable.

The abomination that is Reelfountain has stoked this hatred with utterly unacceptable comments that seek to raise her profile within this forum as an intellectual. She is an imbecile - a comment she throws out wildly to describe others.

It has been said earlier that the onus is on us - the readers - to prove racism and paedophile sympathies. I'd say as a start read Reelfountain's comments in this and the recent For Britain thread. She has kindly provided the proof time and time again only to subsequently 'justify' her comments when challenged - sometimes denying she made the comments at all.

Don't be fooled. There is no collusion. No Fake news. No conspiracy. There is a concerted effort by sensible people to call out racists and paedophile sympathisers.

You are a very clumsy anti-racist warrior. Basically you think you can stymie debates by being a pest and labelling the opinions you don't like with loaded words. Racist. Infammatory. Paedophilic. Holocaust Denial.

Why not do the intelligent thing and join the debate? Put across your viewpoint and argue your points. All you do is reply to my comments with the same tedious sniping. This is one of the last times I reply to your repetitive nonsense. If you find me inflammatory, so what? That's your problem, not mine.

If someone tells me I'm inflammatory or offensive I simply do what most stubborn and forthright people do: I inflame and offend even more.

So either take my advice, or take yourself elsewhere and get a hobby more suited to your easily-bruised sensibility.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

No, I said I had a theory that Renshaw was working for MI5 as National Action's main man

If that's the case, why wouldn't he just say so? Why not just say "These people threatened me with blackmail and now they framing me for pedophilia?" Why make up all this stuff about Hope Not Hate hacking his four phones if that was the real story?

I believe they got Renshaw to form National Action in the same way they got Charlie Sargent to form Combat 18 in the 90s

Well, if you think he was compromised, that's all the more reason not to defend him.

In 2019, I don't think threatening to expose him as gay would be enough to make him turn traitor. It's not the social death sentence it used to be. He would lose a lot of friends, sure, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. There are a few prominent gay white nationalists. If someone is talented and keeps it to themselves, people will turn a blind.
If Renshaw was compromised, I think it would have to be something more severe than that. Especially if he believed in the cause, he might choose to take the bullet.

 

[reelfountain]

If that's the case, why wouldn't he just say so? Why not just say "These people threatened me with blackmail and now they framing me for pedophilia?" Why make up all this stuff about Hope Not Hate hacking his four phones if that was the real story?



Well, if you think he was compromised, that's all the more reason not to defend him.

In 2019, I don't think threatening to expose him as gay would be enough to make him turn traitor. It's not the social death sentence it used to be. He would lose a lot of friends, sure, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. There are a few prominent gay white nationalists. If someone is talented and keeps it to themselves, people will turn a blind.
If Renshaw was compromised, I think it would have to be something more severe than that. Especially if he believed in the cause, he might choose to take the bullet.

He was publicly saying homosexuality was unnatural. He obviously didn't want to be outed - and the underage emails would have made even better blackmail.

He might not have even been aware that the boys he was sexting were underage. They might have even been MI5 pretending to be boys to frame him. Vigilante groups do that so why wouldn't MI5? Who knows.

Maybe they were just paying him. But they were definitely 'on him'. And he was a genuine far righter.

I'm not sticking up for him saying he was a good person - I'm simply saying he was set up for a fall that was unfair. He got 20 years - for what? You can rape and batter someone to death and not get that. In fact in the UK jail sentences are so short it's almost laughable.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

I'm not sticking up for him saying he was a good person - I'm simply saying he was set up for a fall that was unfair. He got 20 years - for what?

Well, forgive me if I spare my sympathy for people who are not actually guilty. There are people in jail for defending themselves against antifa thugs. Pure self defense. I know people who can never set foot in the United States ever again because of the opinions they have expressed.
If you get involved in white nationalism, you have to keep your nose pretty goddamn clean. If he was actually e-mailing teenage boys, I have no sympathy for him. Not only is it stupid to do for himself, it also brings heat down on everyone around him. It would be one thing if the e-mails were fabricated. That's my idea of "set up".

 

[reelfountain]

Well, forgive me if I spare my sympathy for people who are not actually guilty. There are people in jail for defending themselves against antifa thugs. Pure self defense. I know people who can never set foot in the United States ever again because of the opinions they have expressed.
If you get involved in white nationalism, you have to keep your nose pretty goddamn clean. If he was actually e-mailing teenage boys, I have no sympathy for him. Not only is it stupid to do for himself, it also brings heat down on everyone around him. It would be one thing if the e-mails were fabricated. That's my idea of "set up".

He seemed to be quite an immature person. I'd say mentally he felt about 16 tops. He seemed a little careless. This could be construed as informer-behaviour. Because they are handling you, you feel slightly invincible. I've got the top men on my side.

I feel he was set up because he was asked to form National Action, which was an MI5 honeytrap operation from its start to its predictable finish (he didn't realise this). Jail was inevitable - but 20 years for non-murder is shockingly steep for the UK. Often killers will not get 20 years. An official "life sentence" in the UK is 15 years and you only serve half of this inside.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

He seemed to be quite an immature person. I'd say mentally he felt about 16 tops. He seemed a little careless. This could be construed as informer-behaviour. Because they are handling you, you feel slightly invincible.

Listen to yourself. You are talking like a Leftist. You probably do not accept those arguments when they are coming from liberals and you shouldn't be making them now.

 

[reelfountain]

Listen to yourself. You are talking like a Leftist. You probably do not accept those arguments when they are coming from liberals and you shouldn't be making them now.

I'm not right wing. I've said that many times. The only Left I truly despise is the modern left. The Left in love with identity politics and replacement of white culture and identity.

 

[Anonymous]

You are a very clumsy anti-racist warrior. Basically you think you can stymie debates by being a pest and labelling the opinions you don't like with loaded words. Racist. Infammatory. Paedophilic. Holocaust Denial.

Why not do the intelligent thing and join the debate? Put across your viewpoint and argue your points. All you do is reply to my comments with the same tedious sniping. This is one of the last times I reply to your repetitive nonsense. If you find me inflammatory, so what? That's your problem, not mine.

If someone tells me I'm inflammatory or offensive I simply do what most stubborn and forthright people do: I inflame and offend even more so either take my advice or take yourself elsewhere and get a hobby more suited to your easily-bruised sensibility.

Clumsy?

This from a racist, paedophile sympathiser and holocaust denier who can't stand by het own words from post to post?

You present your hateful views as fact and then attempt to support them with more of your views. You are an out and out cretin. To you your views are fact?

Collysion. Fake news. Conspiracies.

Anything at all to deflect from your consistent racist, paedophile sympathising and holocaust denying views.

Intellectual? No, your the imbecile.

Now, which anonymous am I?