Fiona Dodwell: "The Mythology Of Morrissey" (November 16, 2021)

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The evolution of an artist who became the most misunderstood and misrepresented icon of our time.




 
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Phranc & Open

I've known no war
I was loyal enough for a long time, regarding everything that happened around Morrissey until the end of 2017. Was even a happy visitor to the ARTE concert in Berlin in October 2017 (see me smiling in the back). Have happily put all the records since 2009 down as "Quite OK". Reggae is vile, Bengalis, Madstock, some Chinese are cruel: I don't care after all.

But when the aforementioned Spiegel interview was first published in my mother language and in it, the star in the ivory tower wants to give his opinion on everything he is asked about and what he is not asked about, I didn't like it at all.

The creeping distance from his main audience and the blatant radicalisation of his media persona were hard to take. His defiant behaviour with regard to stickers and Ms Waters, unfortunately, even with a lot of goodwill, cannot be nodded off (by me).

The cloak of animal protection should not prevent people from judging in a more differentiated way.

I am annoyed with Morrissey above all for his own disastrous public relations, which have fallen into an all-time low because of the wrong people (person) handling Central.

And I dont want to develop aversions against @Nerak or @Thewlis because they see things in a different way. It must be possible to discuss the current bad state of his career without accusations.
 
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Janice

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The usual suspects applaud on Twitter how wonderfully Fiona has written this "once again". Honestly, anyone with a modicum of objective judgement looks at her constant promotion of the only real true and uncomfortable artist on this planet with scepticism, at the very least. It doesn't matter what she writes and it does NOTHING to change the state of affairs that Morrissey has lost the majority of his fans, not because of the "nasty" media but because of what he has said and lost musically/artistically. The people didn't run away because they read a negative report about him in the media. No, they are even partly smart enough to recognise if the artist still gives you as much as he did 20-35 years ago. It's a long way from Manchester to the Hollywood Hills. I wish him a lot that he can get to grips with this again instead of applauding when people like Dodwell demonise the media for everything that went wrong in the past 15 years or so.
Correct
You can set your watch by the “usual suspects” on twitter
Mad Marianne
Shitfield
JBMozzer
O’ Donnghaille
Sophie
Pinkie
Denis
The 2 very importance scousers 🤨
Keir
It’s literally anything to find a small grain to cling to in the deluded hope the get closer to camp M.
Sad.
 
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I was loyal enough for a long time, regarding everything that happened around Morrissey until the end of 2017. Was even a happy visitor to the ARTE concert in Berlin in October 2017 (see me smiling in the back). Have happily put all the records since 2009 down as "Quite OK". Reggae is vile, Bengalis, Madstock, some Chinese are cruel: I don't care after all.

But when the aforementioned Spiegel interview was first published in my mother language and in it, the star in the ivory tower wants to give his opinion on everything he is asked about and what he is not asked about, I didn't like it at all.

The creeping distance from his main audience and the blatant radicalisation of his media persona were hard to take. His defiant behaviour with regard to stickers and Ms Walters, unfortunately, even with a lot of goodwill, cannot be nodded off (by me).

The cloak of animal protection should not prevent people from judging in a more differentiated way.

I am annoyed with Morrissey above all for his own disastrous public relations, which have fallen into an all-time low because of the wrong people (person) handling Central.

And I dont want to develop aversions against @Nerak or @Thewlis because they see things in a different way. It must be possible to discuss the current bad state of his career without accusations.

He's obsessed with animals - it's not a cloak.

And if you listen to the entire tape of the Der Spiegel conversation he's following her lead & he's just chatting - he isn't particularly strident about anything & he said he hadn't slept all night.

But it should never have got to that stage - if he hadn't been harassed, if his 'strangeness' had been written up properly - then journalists wouldn't have poking about looking for controversy & he wouldn't be threatening to sue & going to ground.
 
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Lujissey

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Fiona is a journalist,? Sorry for my ignorance. She gets paid to speak well of Moz? oh she does it because she is a true fan of Mozys?
 

Oh my

Enough! or Too much
LOL... I absolutely adore Morrissey, BUT I am unable to like Fiona.
I don't know, it's as if she had mastered the way of saying absolutely nothing interesting using a very unpleasant writing style.

A lot of people here would be able to write something 100 times better without even making an effort.
 

SuedeMoz

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LOL... I absolutely adore Morrissey, BUT I am unable to like Fiona.
I don't know, it's as if she had mastered the way of saying absolutely nothing interesting using a very unpleasant writing style.

A lot of people here would be able to write something 100 times better without even making an effort.
My fantasy is that the next time one of her "articles" is posted here... the response is crickets... not a single comment.
 
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yip man

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I like Fiona and it's nice to have someone fighting Morrissey's corner for a change.
Great T Shirt as well


You do know she's a hired hand ?
Is a waste if time ..because only people who are already Morrissey fans know about her and read her stuff .
It's one of the worst clean up campaigns going .
It makes you consider just else is fake about the Morrissey story .

It'd basically Morrissey feeding her angles about himself

"finona write something saying why I'm as imporavt as Bowie and say "
"Fiona tell them them I was into animal right before J Phoenix and tell them "

That is the long and short of it you have to be thick not to see it .

It's not working because it's fake and you KNOW she doesn't believe a word of it

With a defender like her who needs enemies
 
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Interpretation is always moot but it amazes me that people will go to print without checking basic facts.
 
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Lujissey

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Oh for god that note is extremely long speaks as if he were an expert in The Smiths but makes 2 huge mistakes, he does not know the name of the leader Smiths, he calls him Stephen and Margaret in the guillotine is from Moz, he also contradicts himself when he comments that he does not follow the solo career of Morrissey, because it is seen that he heard it obviously sung by Moz alone, (theme of Viva Hate) sure he listens to Moz but denies him, how foolish!!!!! Demasiado embrollo tiene este tipo con Moz y sino le gusta que no lo escuche!!!!! Para escuchar y sentir a Moz estamos los que tenemos buen buen gusto!!VIVA MOZ!!! VIVA MOZ VIVA MOZULUCHI!!!
 
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Lujissey

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I don't know if Fiona is dumb I hope she's a real fan, and Moz who's going to tell her ?? Moz can not criticize someone who speaks very well of him, even if he does not write correctly Moz will always support her, I do not mw bother Fiona, without a doubt SHE loves Moz very much.....MMMmMm Rompecorazones Moz atancando!!!!!
 
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Lujissey

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They hate Moz for some things he said. but they also hate him for having those eyes and that look,!!! Moz generates a lot of envy in many....!!!!!!!
 

Phranc & Open

I've known no war
He's obsessed with animals - it's not a cloak.

And if you listen to the entire tape of the Der Spiegel conversation he's following her lead & he's just chatting - he isn't particularly strident about anything & he said he hadn't slept all night.

But it should never have got to that stage - if he hadn't been harassed, if his 'strangeness' had been written up properly - then journalists wouldn't have poking about looking for controversy & he wouldn't be threatening to sue & going to ground.
It is certainly the case, and this is how I always perceived you, that you are looking for pro arguments and not for incoherencies in his statements. You accuse the press of relying exclusively on such arguments. The girl from Der Spiegel is certainly not deeply involved in the Morrissey phenomenon, at most she has diligently read up on it. He dominates the conversation and steers it wherever he wants. He kept the journalist waiting several times and cancelled appointments. He may have been overtired but he's Morrissey: he could have cancelled it. I can't blame "bad circumstances" for then bringing to light, things, I just don't want to hear out of the mouth of my long-favoured singer. He hangs on to the past. All European countries should keep their idiosyncrasies. But!!! It is not possible because politicians such as our still chancellor have opened the borders to everyone and made "Berlin the rape capital of the world". You can say that and think that and draw that line, but then you have to be aware of the consequences and implications. The world has changed in everything, some people can cope with it, others don't want to.
What Ms Dodwell is doing is giving Morrissey a free pass. And she does it with an insistence that is unparalleled. You should be allowed to question that and "No", I don't really think he's paying her for it.
 
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You do know she's a hired hand ?
Is a waste if time ..because only people who are already Morrissey fans know about her and read her stuff .
It's one of the worst clean up campaigns going .
It makes you consider just else is fake about the Morrissey story .

It'd basically Morrissey feeding her angles about himself

"finona write something saying why I'm as imporavt as Bowie and say "
"Fiona tell them them I was into animal right before J Phoenix and tell them "

That is the long and short of it you have to be thick not to see it .

It's not working because it's fake and you KNOW she doesn't believe a word of it

With a defender like her who needs enemies
She's writing to define a 100% fake.
His entire solo career.
Not sweet.
 

Thewlis

Junior Member
I was loyal enough for a long time, regarding everything that happened around Morrissey until the end of 2017. Was even a happy visitor to the ARTE concert in Berlin in October 2017 (see me smiling in the back). Have happily put all the records since 2009 down as "Quite OK". Reggae is vile, Bengalis, Madstock, some Chinese are cruel: I don't care after all.

But when the aforementioned Spiegel interview was first published in my mother language and in it, the star in the ivory tower wants to give his opinion on everything he is asked about and what he is not asked about, I didn't like it at all.

The creeping distance from his main audience and the blatant radicalisation of his media persona were hard to take. His defiant behaviour with regard to stickers and Ms Walters, unfortunately, even with a lot of goodwill, cannot be nodded off (by me).

The cloak of animal protection should not prevent people from judging in a more differentiated way.

I am annoyed with Morrissey above all for his own disastrous public relations, which have fallen into an all-time low because of the wrong people (person) handling Central.

And I dont want to develop aversions against @Nerak or @Thewlis because they see things in a different way. It must be possible to discuss the current bad state of his career without accusations.
That’s a beautiful and honest post, Phranc.
With most disgruntled former fans I have a feeling they simple disagree with Morrissey politically, or what they perceive to be his politics. They have socialist leanings and for some strange reason they seem to have had the belief that Morrissey was once ‘one of them’ too and has now fallen by the wayside. When in fact it is exactly the other way around…

For me his politics, his outspokenness or his beliefs have never bothered me. I usually don’t agree with them but I do find him brave to be so vocal about them even when it clearly means sabotaging his own career. He indeed won’t answer to anyone but himself.

In the end it’s all about the music, the lyrics and the voice. And I can’t think of any other artist that I have listened to so much over the years as Moz. I’m just glad he’s still so productive and so succesfull when most of my other fave artists from the past 30 years have actually stopped or kept a much lower profile in this day and age.
 
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