Final combined co-write data/stats

[Deleted member 29227]

I referred to this at the time of completing the 'co-write' project, so for those who might be interested, here's some data related charts/graphs for folks to digest at their leisure. It'll be impossible to show just one single graph with all tracks, so I've split them into score-ranges:

Spoiler: 4s

Spoiler: 5s

Spoiler: 6.00-6.49 range

Spoiler: 6.50-6.99 range

Spoiler: 7.00-7.49 range

Spoiler: 7.50-7.99 range

Spoiler: 8.00-8.49 range

Spoiler: 8.50-8.99 range

Spoiler: 9s

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Here's a couple of interesting data graphics: Final Top 20, by co-writer, track, & score, & also same representation for the final Bottom 20:

Spoiler: Top 20 co-writers

Spoiler: Bottom 20 co-writers

 

[Lionsy]

Here's a couple of interesting data graphics: Final Top 20, by co-writer, track, & score, & also same representation for the final Bottom 20:

Spoiler: Top 20 co-writes

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Spoiler: Bottom 20 co-writes

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Kinda obvious results seeing Boz, Stephen and Alain at the top I suppose! Interesting, though!

Jesse, what-cha doing all the way down there you silly sausage

 

[Gregor Samsa]

A huge thank you to @Mozmar for doing this. Threads like these keep us sane.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

A huge thank you to @Mozmar for doing this. Threads like these keep us sane.

Yeah, no problem, & thanks. As mentioned elsewhere, I've enjoyed doing it, but more importantly, I think most others have enjoyed it too.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Kinda obvious results seeing Boz, Stephen and Alain at the top I suppose! Interesting, though!

Jesse, what-cha doing all the way down there you silly sausage

Things are always obvious once you have (accurate) data.
Without it, all you have is 'opinion'...

 

[Thewlis]

Thanks so much, Mozmar!

In 2014 we did a similar survey rating all the songs individually and this was the final top-20:

1 Everyday Is Like Sunday (1988) 9,53
2 Speedway (1994) 9,53
3 Now My Heart Is Full (1994) 9,52
4 Suedehead (1988) 9,52
5 The Last Of The Famous International Playboys (1989) 9,44
6 Why Don’t You Find Out For Yourself (1994) 9,41
7 Jack The Ripper (1992) 9.28
8 Late Night, Maudlin Street (1988) 9,19
9 The National Front Disco (1992) 9,14
10 Hairdresser On Fire (1988) 9,13
11 Trouble Loves Me (1997) 9,12
12 Seasick, Yet Still Docked (1992) 9,11
13 November Spawned A Monster (1990) 9,11
14 Will Never Marry (1988) 9,05
15 First Of The Gang To Die (2004) 9,02
16 Irish Blood, English Heart (2004) 9.01
17 Sister I’m A Poet (1988) 8,97
18 Nobody Loves Us (1995) 8,96
19 I’ve Changed My Plea To Guilty (1991) 8,95
20 Life Is A Pigsty (2006) 8,95

The Moz/Smiths Top 100 - FINAL RESULTS 2014

So here are the final results of the polls we've conducted of all the officially released Morrissey and The Smiths-songs. We started back in 2007 and over the last couple of months we've polled the most recent songs. Thanks all for voting! Here are the results of all the previous final...

www.morrissey-solo.com

Remarkably close to the final scores today.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Full & final combined 'co-write' listing (text/number format):

Spoiler: Final Listing (Position/Track/Co-writer/Score)

Placing	Track	Co-writer	Score
1	Everyday Is Like Sunday	Street	9.58
2	Suedehead	Street	9.48
3	Late Night, Maudlin Street	Street	9.45
4	Now My Heart Is Full	Boorer	9.39
5	The Last Of The Famous International Playboys	Street	9.36
6	Speedway	Boorer	9.34
7	Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself	Whyte	9.30
8	First Of The Gang To Die	Whyte	9.29
9	Jack The Ripper	Boorer	9.24
10	Life Is A Pigsty	Whyte	9.23
11	Trouble Loves Me	Whyte	9.16
12	Will Never Marry	Street	9.15
13	Nobody Loves Us	Whyte	9.12
14	Hairdresser On Fire	Street	9.00
	November Spawned A Monster	Langer	9.00
16	The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get	Boorer	8.96
17	Seasick, Yet Still Docked	Whyte	8.92
18	The National Front Disco	Whyte	8.91
19	Boxers	Whyte	8.81
20	Disappointed	Street	8.80
21	I've Changed My Plea To Guilty	Nevin	8.78
22	I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday	Nevin	8.76
23	Come Back To Camden	Boorer	8.70
24	Maladjusted	Boorer	8.64
25	Hold On To Your Friends	Whyte	8.63
26	Irish Blood, English Heart	Whyte	8.59
	Interesting Drug	Street	8.59
	Billy Budd	Whyte	8.59
	Glamorous Glue	Whyte	8.59
30	Sunny	Whyte	8.58
31	Tomorrow	Whyte	8.56
32	Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference	Street	8.55
33	Southpaw	Whyte	8.54
34	Sister I'm A Poet	Street	8.52
35	Piccadilly Palare	Armstrong	8.51
36	You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side	Nevin	8.49
37	Home Is A Question Mark	Lopez	8.48
38	Spring-Heeled Jim	Boorer	8.46
39	Lost	Cobrin	8.42
40	Yes, I Am Blind	Rourke	8.38
41	Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning	Boorer	8.33
42	We'll Let You Know	Whyte	8.31
43	You Have Killed Me	Tobias	8.29
44	Sing Your Life	Nevin	8.28
45	The Edges Are No Longer Parallel	Whyte	8.26
46	My Hurling Days Are Done	Tobias	8.24
47	Let Me Kiss You	Whyte	8.23
48	Once I Saw The River Clean	Tobias	8.22
49	Friday Mourning	Whyte	8.20
	The Never-Played Symphonies	Whyte	8.20
51	Certain People I Know	Whyte	8.19
52	I Have Forgiven Jesus	Whyte	8.16
53	A Swallow On My Neck	Whyte	8.14
	Alsatian Cousin	Street	8.14
55	We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful	Whyte	8.09
56	Something Is Squeezing My Skull	Whyte	8.08
57	Dear God Please Help Me	Whyte	8.04
58	Alma Matters	Whyte	8.03
59	I Am Hated For Loving	Whyte	7.97
60	Our Frank	Nevin	7.96
61	Angel Angel Down We Go Together	Street	7.95
	One Of Our Own	Manzur	7.95
63	My Love Life	Nevin	7.94
64	The Lazy Sunbathers	Whyte	7.93
65	I Live In Oblivion	Tobias	7.92
66	You Know I Couldn't Last	Whyte	7.91
	Ouija Board, Ouija Board	Street	7.91
68	There's A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends	Nevin	7.90
69	Little Man, What Now?	Street	7.89
70	I'm Not Sorry	Boorer	7.87
	Staircase At The University	Boorer	7.87
72	I Know Very Well How I Got My Name	Street	7.83
73	My Dearest Love	Whyte	7.82
74	Reader Meet Author	Boorer	7.79
75	The World Is Full Of Crashing Bores	Boorer	7.77
76	I'd Love To	Boorer	7.74
77	Used To Be A Sweet Boy	Whyte	7.73
	Whatever Happens, I Love You	Whyte	7.73
	The Ordinary Boys	Street	7.73
80	I'll Never Be Anybody's Hero Now	Whyte	7.72
	It's Not Your Birthday Anymore	Whyte	7.72
82	The Loop	Nevin	7.71
	Driving Your Girlfriend Home	Nevin	7.71
84	The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils	Boorer	7.69
85	Have-A-Go Merchant	Whyte	7.67
86	Break Up The Family	Street	7.64
87	When Last I Spoke To Carol	Whyte	7.60
	He Knows I'd Love To See Him	Armstrong	7.60
89	You're The One For Me, Fatty	Whyte	7.57
90	Ganglord	Whyte	7.56
	Mute Witness	Langer	7.56
92	Wide To Receive	Cobrin	7.53
93	I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me	Street	7.52
94	Istanbul	Boorer	7.50
95	Jim Jim Falls	Tobias	7.48
96	Oboe Concerto	Boorer	7.47
97	(I'm) The End Of The Family Line	Nevin	7.46
98	The Boy Racer	Whyte	7.46
	Satan Rejected My Soul	Boorer	7.46
100	Michael's Bones	Street	7.42
101	I Can Have Both	Boorer	7.41
102	Saint In A Stained Glass Window	WSK	7.40
	What Kind Of People Live In These Houses?	Tobias	7.40
104	My Life Is A Succession Of People Saying Goodbye	Whyte	7.38
105	Lucky Lisp	Street	7.36
106	I Will See You In Far-Off Places	Whyte	7.35
107	Girl Least Likely To	Rourke	7.33
108	Spent The Day In Bed	Manzur	7.32
109	Art-hounds	Boorer	7.31
110	Dial A Cliché	Street	7.29
111	Let The Right One Slip In	Whyte	7.28
112	Ammunition	Boorer	7.27
113	You Must Please Remember	Whyte	7.25
114	Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed	Whyte	7.24
	In The Future When All's Well	Tobias	7.24
	The Youngest Was The Most Loved	Tobias	7.24
117	All The Lazy Dykes	Whyte	7.21
118	I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris	Boorer	7.20
119	Best Friend On The Payroll	Whyte	7.19
	Teenage Dad On His Estate	Whyte	7.19
121	Oh Well, I'll Never Learn	Street	7.17
	Bengali In Platforms	Street	7.17
123	The Father Who Must Be Killed	Whyte	7.16
124	Mountjoy	Boorer	7.14
125	Good Looking Man About Town	Whyte	7.13
126	Lifeguard On Duty	Street	7.12
127	The Operation	Whyte	7.10
	I Like You	Boorer	7.10
129	Bonfire Of Teenagers	Lopez	7.09
130	Do Your Best And Don't Worry	Whyte	7.07
131	I Wish You Lonely	Boorer	7.06
132	To Me You Are A Work Of Art	Whyte	7.04
	You Should Have Been Nice To Me	Boorer	7.04
134	All You Need Is Me	Tobias	7.03
	Drag The River	Boorer	7.03
136	At Amber	Street	7.00
137	Without Music The World Dies	Manzur	6.99
138	Love Is On Its Way Out	Manzur	6.98
139	Shame Is The Name	Whyte	6.97
140	Pregnant For The Last Time	Nevin	6.96
	One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell	Boorer	6.96
142	The Bullfighter Dies	Tobias	6.95
143	I Am Veronica	WSK	6.94
144	It's Hard To Walk Tall When You're Small	Whyte	6.92
145	Rebels Without Applause	Boorer	6.91
	Margaret On The Guillotine	Street	6.91
147	How Can Anybody Possibly Know How I Feel?	Whyte	6.89
	Julie In The Weeds	Boorer	6.89
149	Honey, You Know Where To Find Me	Boorer	6.87
150	King Leer	Nevin	6.85
151	Darling, I Hug A Pillow	Lopez	6.84
	My Love, I'd Do Anything For You	Lopez	6.84
	Christian Dior	Boorer	6.84
154	Sure Enough The Telephone Rings	Manzur	6.82
155	Knockabout World	Tobias	6.81
156	This Is Not Your Country	Whyte	6.80
157	Forgive Someone	Tobias	6.74
158	The Public Image	Boorer	6.73
159	Neal Cassady Drops Dead	Manzur	6.71
160	Black-Eyed Susan	Whyte	6.70
161	He Cried	Whyte	6.69
162	That's How People Grow Up	Boorer	6.64
	You've Had Her	Boorer	6.64
	Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?	Manzur	6.64
	I'm Not A Man	Tobias	6.64
166	Heir Apparent	Whyte	6.63
167	Pashernate Love	Whyte	6.61
	Happy Lovers At Last United	Street	6.61
169	I Am Two People	Whyte	6.59
	Action Is My Middle Name	Boorer	6.59
171	Dagenham Dave	Whyte	6.57
	If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me	Tobias	6.57
	I'm OK By Myself	Tobias	6.57
	Munich Air Disaster 1958	Whyte	6.57
175	I Thought You Were Dead	Tobias	6.55
176	The Night Pop Dropped	Tobias	6.54
177	I'm Playing Easy To Get	Boorer	6.50
178	Black Cloud	Boorer	6.46
179	Scandinavia	Boorer	6.43
180	Blue Dreamers Eyes	Boorer	6.40
181	Now I Am A Was	Cobrin	6.39
182	Tony The Pony	Nevin	6.36
	America Is Not The World	Whyte	6.36
	Brow Of My Beloved	Boorer	6.36
185	Roy's Keen	Whyte	6.35
	Striptease With A Difference	Langer	6.35
187	Don't Make Fun Of Daddy's Voice	Whyte	6.34
	Israel	Manzur	6.34
189	Smiler With Knife	Tobias	6.29
	You Were Good In Your Time	Whyte	6.29
	Mexico	Boorer	6.29
192	By The Time I Get To Wherever I’m Going	unknown	6.28
193	Please Help The Cause Against Loneliness	Street	6.27
194	Never Again Will I Be A Twin	Lopez	6.26
195	Jacky's Only Happy When She's Up On The Stage	Boorer	6.23
	The Slum Mums	Boorer	6.23
197	I Just Want To See The Boy Happy	Tobias	6.22
198	World Peace Is None Of Your Business	Boorer	6.21
199	Ambitious Outsiders	Whyte	6.20
200	If Saturday Ever Comes	Lopez	6.14
201	There Speaks A True Friend	Whyte	6.13
	When You Open Your Legs	Tobias	6.13
203	On The Streets I Ran	Tobias	6.10
	Kit	Boorer	6.10
205	I Knew I Was Next	Tobias	6.07
206	Sweetie-Pie	Farrell	6.06
207	Sorry Doesn't Help	Tobias	6.05
208	Asian Rut	Nevin	6.03
209	Fantastic Bird	Whyte	5.99
210	Earth Is The Loneliest Planet	Manzur	5.96
211	Get Off The Stage	Rourke	5.94
	At Last I Am Born	Farrell	5.94
	Treat Me Like A Human Being	Street	5.94
214	Found Found Found	Langer	5.90
215	This Song Doesn't End When It's Over	Boorer	5.89
216	The Secret Of Music	Lopez	5.88
217	Children In Pieces	Tobias	5.84
	I Am Not A Dog On A Chain	Tobias	5.84
219	Safe, Warm Lancashire Home	Street	5.78
	Born To Hang	Nevin	5.78
221	Papa Jack	Whyte	5.76
222	Kiss Me A Lot	Tobias	5.74
223	I Couldn't Understand Why People Laughed	Boorer	5.73
224	The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye	Nevin	5.68
225	Because Of My Poor Education	Whyte	5.67
226	The Girl From Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel	Manzur	5.50
227	Lover To Be	Boorer	5.47
	Who Will Protect Us From The Police?	Boorer	5.47
229	Kick The Bride Down The Aisle	Tobias	5.46
230	Oh Phoney	Armstrong	5.43
231	Noise Is The Best Revenge	Boorer	5.33
232	I Bury The Living	Tobias	5.26
233	In Your Lap	Manzur	5.20
	The Truth About Ruth	Manzur	5.20
235	All The Young People Must Fall In Love	Boorer	5.16
236	Sorrow Will Come In The End	Whyte	5.00
237	People Are The Same Everywhere	Tobias	4.91
	Journalists Who Lie	Street	4.91
239	Once Upon A Woman's Body	Tobias	4.65
240	The Kid's A Looker	Boorer	4.59
241	Kerouac's Crack	Tobias	4.41
242	You Don't Need Their Approval	Tobias	4.02

 

[Thewlis]

Fantastic work! Although the covers should still be worked into it to make it definitive

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Fantastic work! Although the covers should still be worked into it to make it definitive

Of course; am planning on doing just that, once we've completed Part 2 of 'covers'...

 

[Mozzer1980]

@Mozmar

 

[Deleted member 29227]

@Mozmar

No need for all that ; thanks for being supportive.

 

[Mozzer1980]

Only three songs from my personal Morrissey Top 10 are in our top 10 .
But I think the diversity of tastes shows how many great songs different composers have given to our Moz.

 

[skull]

Good work Mozmar! Maybe more time should have been given in order to gather more votes, but good work anyway. All this shows how great Moz catalogue is. That said, I am always shocked to see so much love for minor stuff just for nostalgic reasons (sorry but that's pretty clear), and more recent very good songs so underrated.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Here's another interesting data graphic in relation to main co-writers:

Spoiler: Main co-writer average scores

 

[Deleted member 29227]

In relation to the above, if we then add in ALL co-writers, then we have this:

Spoiler: All co-writer average scores

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Good work Mozmar! Maybe more time should have been given in order to gather more votes, but good work anyway. All this shows how great Moz catalogue is. That said, I am always shocked to see so much love for minor stuff just for nostalgic reasons (sorry but that's pretty clear), and more recent very good songs so underrated.

No, I don't agree that more time = more votes; each co-write had 4 days, and, on average (shown by the red line), attracted 33 voters, thereby providing a decent sample size; a bigger sample size doesn't guarantee different results. This is more or less borne out when these recent scores are compared to those from 2014, there's not much difference in all honesty. Here's a data graphic showing voters/co-write:

*(Other: Armstrong/Cobrin/Farrell/Langer/Rourke/WSK)

 

[William Fisher]

Here's another interesting data graphic in relation to main co-writers:

Spoiler: Main co-writer average scores

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Does this illustrate that Morrissey’s talent is declining as he ages or that his more recent collaborators aren’t as talented as his earlier collaborators? Or both? I dunno.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Good work Mozmar! Maybe more time should have been given in order to gather more votes, but good work anyway. All this shows how great Moz catalogue is. That said, I am always shocked to see so much love for minor stuff just for nostalgic reasons (sorry but that's pretty clear), and more recent very good songs so underrated.

Yeah, people are scoring for all different reasons. Which unfortunately, makes these polls moot.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Does this illustrate that Morrissey’s talent is declining as he ages or that his more recent collaborators aren’t as talented as his earlier collaborators? Or both? I dunno.

I'm not sure it illustrates either of those things.
Remember it's us (fans) voting; @skull may have hit the nail firmly on the head, however...