El Paso, TX - Plaza Theatre (May 13, 2014) post-show

Anonymous · May 14, 2014

that guy using his son is gonna go on for more years of his 2 sec of moz fame it so ridiculous

bandrus1 · May 14, 2014

Anybody else thing that the increased security presence / aggressiveness has made fans more aggressive?

In the past you ran up did a little hug and they simply escorted you away kindly. Now even getting up there is a fight in the trenches and once up there you have to run for your life before being manhandled.

Johnny Barleycorn · May 14, 2014

Anonymous said:
Wow - what the hell is happening on this tour??...I've been going to Morrissey's shows since 1991 and I don't ever recall it being this bad...or at least being "reported" as this bad. Where is all this animosity/aggressive behavior coming from?...frustration over the previously cancelled tour?

We're taking our son to the show - and I never would have imagined sitting up front would have us fearing for his safety...truly sad

I imagine it is the fact that Morrissey's fan-base has mutated since the eighties from essentially quiet, often literary, dare I say it, thoughtful Brits to, well, something else.

Smiths shows could get boisterous, but I never felt any of the ones I attended were about to combust. There was always something slightly spiritual about it, in stark contrast to, for instance the Pogues, or the Mary Chain. Smiths' shows were a joyous occasion, where social outsiders could, perhaps, get a rare sense of belonging to something. The gang mentality in those days was the gang of loving the Smiths. The footage of the '88 Wolverhampton solo show illustrates that atmosphere well. Crazy, but a roller-coaster rather than a car crash.

Maybe that has been replaced by a gang mentality far more sinister. That, perhaps allied to a Morrissey far too ready today to swap humour and wit for anger and bile reflects in the shows and the attendees. Young Morrissey's solution to the world sometimes being a difficult place to navigate was to seek and preach refuge and solace in literature and the other arts. Old Morrissey is a defeated creature, only able to cobble together trite, vaguely obtuse imbecilities about revolution from his mansion on the hill in-between trans Atlantic phone calls to his business advisors and accountants. Whether or not he has changed in those three decades depends, I suppose, on whether you bought the act initially. Many of us who were there seeing it firsthand in the eighties must now wonder.

I was surprised by CG mentioning the punching the other night. I know she was caught up in the thrill of it all, but I can't be the only one who thought it didn't sound much fun. Who wants to spend an evening with thugs so out of control they, accidentally or not, bloody the nose of a woman? Ridiculous, unnecessary and unacceptable.

Anonymous · May 14, 2014

Johnny Barleycorn said:
I imagine it is the fact that Morrissey's fan-base has mutated since the eighties from essentially quiet, often literary, dare I say it, thoughtful Brits to, well, something else.

Smiths shows could get boisterous, but I never felt any of the ones I attended were about to combust. There was always something slightly spiritual about it, in stark contrast to, for instance the Pogues, or the Mary Chain. Smiths' shows were a joyous occasion, where social outsiders could, perhaps, get a rare sense of belonging to something. The gang mentality in those days was the gang of loving the Smiths. The footage of the '88 Wolverhampton solo show illustrates that atmosphere well. Crazy, but a roller-coaster rather than a car crash.

Maybe that has been replaced by a gang mentality far more sinister. That, perhaps allied to a Morrissey far too ready today to swap humour and wit for anger and bile reflects in the shows and the attendees. Young Morrissey's solution to the world sometimes being a difficult place to navigate was to seek and preach refuge and solace in literature and the other arts. Old Morrissey is a defeated creature, only able to cobble together trite, vaguely obtuse imbecilities about revolution from his mansion on the hill in-between trans Atlantic phone calls to his business advisors and accountants. Whether or not he has changed in those three decades depends, I suppose, on whether you bought the act initially. Many of us who were there seeing it firsthand in the eighties must now wonder.

I was surprised by CG mentioning the punching the other night. I know she was caught up in the thrill of it all, but I can't be the only one who thought it didn't sound much fun. Who wants to spend an evening with thugs so out of control they, accidentally or not, bloody the nose of a woman? Ridiculous, unnecessary and unacceptable.

Morrissey and The Smiths have always had a Yob element, at least from 85 onwards
Morrissey is proud of it. It is true the new audience, Americans especially, are much more stupid than ever before

Johnny Barleycorn · May 14, 2014

bandrus1 said:
Anybody else thing that the increased security presence / aggressiveness has made fans more aggressive?

In the past you ran up did a little hug and they simply escorted you away kindly. Now even getting up there is a fight in the trenches and once up there you have to run for your life before being manhandled.

Well, it's hardly Altamont. If a few fans make it onstage and are warmly congratulated by security the show wouldn't ever get to the second song. Live in Dallas ended in (no doubt orchestrated for the DVD release) chaos, and the band leaving. Security only ever react and sometimes they overreact. Don't go to a show expecting to cuddle a middle-aged man. If that's your thing join the BBC instead.

Johnny Barleycorn · May 14, 2014

Anonymous said:
Morrissey and The Smiths have always had a Yob element, at least from 85 onwards
Morrissey is proud of it. It is true the new audience, Americans especially, are much more stupid than ever before

So are Brits, be in no doubt.

Johnny Barleycorn · May 14, 2014

Anonymous said:
Morrissey and The Smiths have always had a Yob element, at least from 85 onwards
Morrissey is proud of it. It is true the new audience, Americans especially, are much more stupid than ever before

In that case he reaps what he sows and should have the courage to stay on the stage, but I'm not sure I agree.

"Yob" doesn't necessarily connote flailing your arms around wildly trying to inflict damage on anyone within reach. Here we would call such a person a "wanker".

Johnnymel9 · May 14, 2014

Was Girl Least Likely To really played or was that a lie?

gustavo · May 14, 2014

Yes, it was played. Thing is that most people don't know the songs. "To give" was replaced by "Girl" ... Set list was same songs as in LA except for that change. I can try to reproduce the set list from memory.

Is anyone else interested in the music?

Johnnymel9 said:
Was Girl Least Likely To really played or was that a lie?

KelleeR · May 14, 2014

gustavo said:
Yes, it was played. Thing is that most people don't know the songs. "To give" was replaced by "Girl" ... Set list was same songs as in LA except for that change. I can try to reproduce the set list from memory.

Is anyone else interested in the music?

Very much so. Wondering what set list to expect on Saturday night.

CrystalGeezer · May 14, 2014

Will someone PLEASE record GLLT? He hasn't sang that in years.

Girlmostlikely · May 14, 2014

gustavo said:
Yes, it was played. Thing is that most people don't know the songs. "To give" was replaced by "Girl" ... Set list was same songs as in LA except for that change. I can try to reproduce the set list from memory.

Is anyone else interested in the music?

Wonderful to hear "Girl least Likely" made it on the setlist! It sounds like a good show, until the "nonsense". Did you see the alleged "crotch grab" that was reported/rumored on twitter? Also did he stop during ODGWBF or sooner? And also I was surprised to see you write most people don't know the songs...was that the vibe in El Paso? I have always felt that most fans at Moz shows, especially in the front, know the songs very well. Maybe this tour is a bit diffferent.

Girlmostlikely · May 14, 2014

CrystalGeezer said:
Will someone PLEASE record GLLT? He hasn't sang that in years.

Yeah! Hopefully tonight...please?!

gretchenraine · May 14, 2014

Anonymous said:
This kind of nonsense never happened when he played in Milwaukee,Wisconsin but let's go ahead and ignore those fans and go to the worse crime infested Michigan.This makes sense . NOT . At least the crowds in the midwest are not this bad.

Wow. Well, please, stay in Milwaukee where you're safe. I will be hearing Morrissey's sweet, sweet sounds live in Flint next month with the rest of my thug-brethren from the wolverine state.

Pay attention · May 14, 2014

From the Twitter account of @whoiseuan

"I was trying to get on stage and was getting manhandled by security. He (Moz) shook my hand and said "I'm sorry and left. Morrissey stopped tonight's gig because his security were getting rough with me & possibly one other fan. He shook my hand and apologised. I tried to get on stage. I didn't get near him at first but Moz thought they were hurting me & stopped then shook my hand. I tried to get on stage. The security wrestled with my head and neck a bit. Moz didn't like it and stopped. I'm fine. "

"I really didn't mean to ruin anyone's night. From what I can tell Moz just didn't like the look of it and stopped to apologise. I have a little neck soreness but nothing I won't shake off. I'm at El Paso airport and flying back to LA. The trip moves on. I was being persistent, I was in a neck hold at one point. They didn't hit me, just wrestling me away."

gustavo · May 14, 2014

I wasn't in the front row. Where I was sitting, it seemed no one else knew the song or even seemed interested.

No, I didn't see a crotch grab.

Now that I think of it, I don't remember "First of the gang" being played. Been trying to piece the set list together, but it's useless. I just remember the first three songs: Hand in Glove, Sunday, and Ganglord and also the last four songs Happen Someday, National Front Disco, (encore), Asleep, Goodbye will be farewell (unfinished).

Girlmostlikely said:
Wonderful to hear "Girl least Likely" made it on the setlist! It sounds like a good show, until the "nonsense". Did you see the alleged "crotch grab" that was reported/rumored on twitter? Also did he stop during ODGWBF or sooner? And also I was surprised to see you write most people don't know the songs...was that the vibe in El Paso? I have always felt that most fans at Moz shows, especially in the front, know the songs very well. Maybe this tour is a bit diffferent.

Anonymous · May 14, 2014

Morrissey can add El Paso as another "city of idiots" when fans rushed him at the beginning of his second act after his intermission. Tequila should be banned!!

Anonymous · May 14, 2014

If I was Morrissey, I wouldn't come back to El Paso again. El Paso can be added as another city of idiots that doesn't know how to have a good time without Corona and Tequila! Sorry Morrissey...I will make sure to see you in a more formal and established venue without a bunch of savages running around.

gustavo · May 14, 2014

He loves the place. He writes about El Paso and Juarez very lovingly in his autobiography.

Anonymous said:
Morrissey can add El Paso as another "city of idiots" when fans rushed him at the beginning of his second act after his intermission. Tequila should be banned!!

gustavo · May 14, 2014

Here's a photo set from the local newspaper.

http://photos.elpasotimes.com/2014/05/13/photos-morrissey-performs-at-the-plaza-theatre/#1

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