Does Morrissey have a coherent political worldview? Discuss...

Gash - you're lying.

Morrissey in 2012 - one of many statements that are not nationalist - because he has never been nationalist:

I am unable to watch the Olympics due to the blustering jingoism that drenches the event. Has England ever been quite so foul with patriotism? The 'dazzling royals' have, quite naturally, hi-jacked the Olympics for their own empirical needs, and no oppositional voice is allowed in the free press. It is lethal to witness. As London is suddenly promoted as a super-wealth brand, the England outside London shivers beneath cutbacks, tight circumstances and economic disasters.
I'm not talking about patriotism or nationalism. I'm talking about community. The quote from Moz echoes exactly what I said. What else do the working class have but each other? Community, society, solidarity. Everything that Thatcher despised.
The royals aren't even English, they're German.
What else did the lyrics and the cover stars of The Smiths celebrate, but working class culture? And in England's big cities, wiped out. Nothing to do with nationalism. I despise nationalism. Always have done. What we're witnessing is the destruction of community. The destruction of society. The eradication of the working class.

 
I'm not talking about patriotism or nationalism. I'm talking about community. The quote from Moz echoes exactly what I said. What else do the working class have but each other? Community, society, solidarity. Everything that Thatcher despised.
The royals aren't even English, they're German.
What else did the lyrics and the cover stars of The Smiths celebrate, but working class culture? And in England's big cities, wiped out. Nothing to do with nationalism. I despise nationalism. Always have done. What we're witnessing is the destruction of community. The destruction of society. The eradication of the working class.



Gash - I know exactly what you're talking about & you're lying.

Posting propaganda from the New Culture Forum run by wealthy/middle-class bigoted free marketeers from Tufton Street does not make it less of a lie.

Shame on anyone who takes their money.
 
he longs for the britain of yesteryear,bit like myself,a britain were you could leave your front door open from morning till night,were nearly everyone was on the same level of poorness,you see it in his writing,you heard it in the importance of being morrissey.
regarding his politics,he says very little these days so who knows were he sits.
 
Gash - I know exactly what you're talking about & you're lying.

Posting propaganda from the New Culture Forum run by wealthy/middle-class bigoted free marketeers from Tufton Street does not make it less of a lie.

Shame on anyone who takes their money.
Michael Collins is working class born and bred. Although I know that's a term of abuse these days for those on the left. He won the Geroge Orwell Prize in 2005 for his book The Likes Of Us: A Biography of the White Working Class, which should be required reading for any Smiths fan.

 
Michael Collins is working class born and bred. Although I know that's a term of abuse these days for those on the left. He won the Geroge Orwell Prize in 2005 for his book The Likes Of Us: A Biography of the White Working Class, which should be required reading for any Smiths fan.


I've read him.

He took the money.

NCF don't care about the working-class. It's bullshit.
 
“….or if you’re drawn to being a world leader, and leaders always mean bullies, they don’t ever mean world poet. It’s always somebody who can bully at, and can be a terrorist. You have to be a terrorist in order to be a president.

So, the people that are attracted to politics are never good people, they’re always people who
are potentially terrorists. And you can see it in all the people who lead our countries throughout the world, and they’re never nice people. So it doesn’t really matter in a way, who wins the election.”


 
Politics is confusing for most of us. Voting can feel futile. Politicians seem to act according to a rule-book kept away from the general public's gaze, bar the occasional exception. Economic capitalism has morphed into political capitalism which " punishes those who aren’t elite or can’t organize to extract favors from politicians. Sadly, it gives a bad name to both politics and capitalism."

Being the first intrinsically expansionary system that has to grow in financial value by at least 3 per cent per year, capitalism is "in complete contradiction to a finite planet", according to Mikaela Loach & co. Being about quantity and not quality, wellbeing is irrelevant.

Neoliberal economist Milton Friedman said: “Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable.”

Despite an opposite orientation, I think this captures the essence of Morrissey's political pot-pourri. He has voiced alternative views from the beginning, and planted suggestions that the mainstream society is not all it's cracked up to be, because it pits people against each other, nudges us towards hegemonic thoughts and routines, and makes life harder and duller for nature in general. He's proceeded by observation and intuition, and by trial and error, with some human baselines in mind, more honestly than the sleek-schooled educated criminals working within the law, while also displaying what Friedman described: preparing cultural ground for change.

He would probably agree with The Raven that "We need to build a society and economy based on kindness and mutuality, that emphasizes cooperation over competition."

Thousands of scientists and academics are now backing a degrowth movement for survival and sanity: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/degrowth-new-roots-economy/
&
https://gceurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Manifesto-for-a-post-growth-economy.pdf

Many icebergs later, predications are being born out, and island countries like Tuvalu anticipate becoming submerged & wiped out by rising oceans. In such cases, Morrissey should not change his plea to guilty.

Neither Morrissey or the Smiths make it into this list of the 25 most political bands, in which some entries may surprise - https://www.yardbarker.com/entertai...t_political_bands_090323/s1__32785829#slide_1
 

I do think that video very well encapsulates Moz's views on politics - he's by instinct an anarchist, distrustful of those in power. Of course, we live in a world now where never more so are those 'in power' just useless actors and puppets, devoid of power, with invisible corporate and transnational forces possessing the real power and pulling the strings. If anyone thinks Joe Biden is running America they must be crazy.
 
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He gets his world views from YouTube. That’s all you need know.
He‘s politically juvenile and clueless.
Occasionally he calls it right. Not so much of late though.
 
This is Moz's politics. Working class to his core.

Come and spend a month in a council estate in Hulme living on the dole...

 
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He's a lefty - he quite explicity said he thought that the left & right had switched places - which means he thought he was still on the left.

He was misinformed.

He didn't support UKIP, For Britain no longer exists, when he did mention Anne Marie - he said he thought she'd been lied about & wasn't a racist or a fascist. The only stance of theirs that he mentioned was animal rights.

He promotes PETA at his gigs.
Lol
He isnt a lefty .
Which is why he says "the loony left "
You can say he supports peta but so do a load of right wingers in the UK
RustyRockets is no longer a lefty but he is pro Peta. I hear in the USA there are some
Isreal loving Trumpers are in Peta .
Billy Bragg is partisan, Moz isnt, that's all. His politics is worked out . He has his own way. I think Moz was ahead of the pack
he saw the whole left/right thing had changed.
Lots of people now do not feel all on the left or right I'd guess he is right wing in terms of boarders and UK immigration , I'd say he is now against the new version of the Trans movement, given what he said at a gig . His constant harping on about cancel culture, is more mostly a right wing talking point but in other ways he is old left
He is pro outsider, pro individual. I think his politics is mixed . Basically he had a similar ark as Russall Brand , just before Russell Brand. It's what happens to a lot of brits when they have spent time in the USA .
I think the UK has become a joke. It really is tiny country and most of us have been brainwashed .
As others have said you can't say Moz is left wing when you look at the people he likes a host om Talk Radio, Styxhammer 666 , PJW , For Britian , Farage , worst of all is Alex Bellfeild
I agree he is also classicly contrary
 
Lol
He isnt a lefty .
Which is why he says "the loony left "
You can say he supports peta but so do a load of right wingers in the UK
RustyRockets is no longer a lefty but he is pro Peta. I hear in the USA there are some
Isreal loving Trumpers are in Peta .
Billy Bragg is partisan, Moz isnt, that's all. His politics is worked out . He has his own way. I think Moz was ahead of the pack
he saw the whole left/right thing had changed.
Lots of people now do not feel all on the left or right I'd guess he is right wing in terms of boarders and UK immigration , I'd say he is now against the new version of the Trans movement, given what he said at a gig . His constant harping on about cancel culture, is more mostly a right wing talking point but in other ways he is old left
He is pro outsider, pro individual. I think his politics is mixed . Basically he had a similar ark as Russall Brand , just before Russell Brand. It's what happens to a lot of brits when they have spent time in the USA .
I think the UK has become a joke. It really is tiny country and most of us have been brainwashed .
As others have said you can't say Moz is left wing when you look at the people he likes a host om Talk Radio, Styxhammer 666 , PJW , For Britian , Farage , worst of all is Alex Bellfeild
I agree he is also classicly contrary

Bollocks.

He was getting flack from the Guardian & some creep was bombarding him with misleading propaganda.

He hasn't said a thing about immigration or trans that suggests he's right wing on those issues - that's coming from the creep.
 
Bollocks.

He was getting flack from the Guardian & some creep was bombarding him with misleading propaganda.

He hasn't said a thing about immigration or trans that suggests he's right wing on those issues - that's coming from the creep.
What a terrible view you have of Morrissey. Some 'creep' gives him propaganda and tells him what to write songs about?

Creep: Oi, Mozzer!
Moz: Yes, creep?
Creep: You heard the latest?
Moz: No, what news from the Rialto?
Creep: You know that 'fire' at Notre Dame?
Moz: Yes.
Creep: That was no fire, mate.
Moz: Not a fire? What was it?
Creep: Who was it, more like. Who do you think, mate? Who do you think?
Moz: A cold hand just touched me.
Creep: Sorry, I have poor circulation.
 
What a terrible view you have of Morrissey. Some 'creep' gives him propaganda and tells him what to write songs about?

Creep: Oi, Mozzer!
Moz: Yes, creep?
Creep: You heard the latest?
Moz: No, what news from the Rialto?
Creep: You know that 'fire' at Notre Dame?
Moz: Yes.
Creep: That was no fire, mate.
Moz: Not a fire? What was it?
Creep: Who was it, more like. Who do you think, mate? Who do you think?
Moz: A cold hand just touched me.
Creep: Sorry, I have poor circulation.

Oh, look. Dialogue. I wonder what blog that reminds me of.
 
Oh, look. Dialogue. I wonder what blog that reminds me of.
I have absolutely no idea what a bit of made-up dialogue written for a joke reminds you of - what goes on in your head is a not a subject I wish to ponder in any way. I don't read blogs, I don't write blogs. The only website I post on is this one.
 
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