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is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I guess that's all that we're going to get.

In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted. Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament, and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in recent times.

I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or insane.

Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and well, psychosis.

Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success: Detachment
 
U a doodle dandy?

(joke) btw

> is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

> It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive
> lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs
> that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

> In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive
> moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much
> evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio
> artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe
> that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band
> members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

> This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted.
> Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them
> to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped
> up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is
> not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament,
> and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in
> recent times.

> I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be
> so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll
> even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album
> that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or
> insane.

> Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot
> fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and
> well, psychosis.

> Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of
> the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success:
> Detachment
 
Mr. So and So trying to tell us he is right and we are wrong again

> is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

> It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive
> lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs
> that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

> In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive
> moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much
> evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio
> artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe
> that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band
> members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

> This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted.
> Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them
> to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped
> up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is
> not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament,
> and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in
> recent times.

> I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be
> so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll
> even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album
> that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or
> insane.

> Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot
> fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and
> well, psychosis.

> Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of
> the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success:
> Detachment

no one who likes it tells the non-likers they are wrong. i liked it from the start. i find the lyrics to be hood actually...much better than YATQ which was his weakest album since Kill Uncle. but that's my opinion. i won't be like Mr. So and So and tell everyone who disagrees they are wrong. half the album is very good to great...that's exactly what i expect from all his albums and that's what he has delivered since Viva Hate.
 
and At Last I am Born is one of his good songs on the album
 
i do agree though, i want to hear morrissey move away from rock for the next album

> is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

> It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive
> lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs
> that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

> In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive
> moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much
> evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio
> artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe
> that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band
> members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

> This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted.
> Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them
> to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped
> up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is
> not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament,
> and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in
> recent times.

> I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be
> so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll
> even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album
> that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or
> insane.

> Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot
> fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and
> well, psychosis.

> Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of
> the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success:
> Detachment

i heard the acoustic reader meet author and liked it very much. i think with this album morrissey got the rock out of his system. he finally succeeded in making a rock album that got gret reviews with a lot of fans in support of it (unlike Maladjusted and SOuth Grammar). his next album will be more what you want Mr. So and SO. i can't see him doing the same next time.

however, i disagree that this current album sucks. i love Southpaw, i love ROTT, i like maladjusted. sure it's different than his early work, but on its own it's still good. you fall into the trap of constantly comparing it to somehting you enjoy more (his early, less rocky, work). i like both morrissey's. so to me it's both good. the only albums i don't like are YATQ and Kill Uncle. one from early moz, another from late Moz.

but i do admit i want to hear something less rocky next time. only becasue it's time, not because i don't like the rocky moz
 
Well spoken. Though I don't agree with you 100%, there's a lot of validity in what you say. Ringleader of the Torments, in my opinion, is a great album. But with a fresh guitarist writing songs and motherf***in' Tony Visconti twisting the knobs, there's no reason why it couldn't have been a complete masterpeice.

As for At Last I Am Born, it's my favorite song on ROTT after I Will See You In Far Off Places. Different strokes for different folks, though.
 
Disagree, but thank you.

Certainly a well thought out post, and you do make some valid points. You are correct in what you are writing about Morrissey being self indulgent in his lyrics, but hasn't he always been? I would argue it is life that has changed and he has continued to convey life as HE sees it through his music. One cannot deny the all too frequent mentions to his court proceedings in YATQ, but I for one could still relate. I've been screwed over by a workers comp claim that left me thinking the judge was 'senile and vile'.

More to the point, "At Last I Am Born" is a seminal song for the simple matter Morrissey is coming out of the closet on this album, and it is on record. The angst driven youth who denied his sexuality, now is comfortable with it and is not afraid to tell the world. To me the song goes a long way in explaining the man.

I really enjoyed YATQ and I think your musical trashing of him is a bit strong. The addition of a keyboard player and slick production helped YATQ to become a superior album. I couldn't even begin to compare Southpaw to it.

As for ROTT, it's a good album which grows on me the more I listen. There are some really great tracks and classic Morrissey lyrics on it. Do I give Moz a pass on a lot? Sure. However I believe we are all fortunate he is still making records, touring, and still has such an amazing voice and wit. I remember the seven years between albums. I never thought he'd be back like he is now. My advice: just enjoy this time. He won't be around forever.

> is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

> It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive
> lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs
> that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

> In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive
> moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much
> evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio
> artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe
> that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band
> members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

> This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted.
> Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them
> to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped
> up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is
> not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament,
> and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in
> recent times.

> I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be
> so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll
> even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album
> that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or
> insane.

> Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot
> fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and
> well, psychosis.

> Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of
> the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success:
> Detachment
 
Southpaw is sheer frustration for me

You love Southpaw? It's short. Dagenhem Dave wasn't a great song, The Operation has that awful 2 minute drum intro, Boy Racer is lyrically limited, and Best Friend goes absolutely nowhere. Menawhile, you have Nobody Loves Us as a B Side, a sound that arguably could be the best song solo work he has done. Oh, and the cover is dreadful - no Moz picture!! That album could have been so damn good and now we hear acoustic versions of Reader Meet Author which sound great, and Honey which would have been a nice addition to an album weighing in at less than 40 minutes. God, don't get me started on Southpaw!!!

To each is own, I LOVE YATQ. I think it is absolutely superb. So what the heck do I know?

> i heard the acoustic reader meet author and liked it very much. i think
> with this album morrissey got the rock out of his system. he finally
> succeeded in making a rock album that got gret reviews with a lot of fans
> in support of it (unlike Maladjusted and SOuth Grammar). his next album
> will be more what you want Mr. So and SO. i can't see him doing the same
> next time.

> however, i disagree that this current album sucks. i love Southpaw, i love
> ROTT, i like maladjusted. sure it's different than his early work, but on
> its own it's still good. you fall into the trap of constantly comparing it
> to somehting you enjoy more (his early, less rocky, work). i like both
> morrissey's. so to me it's both good. the only albums i don't like are
> YATQ and Kill Uncle. one from early moz, another from late Moz.

> but i do admit i want to hear something less rocky next time. only becasue
> it's time, not because i don't like the rocky moz
 
My son thought the song was called, "At Last I Am Bored'
 
Excellent Post. Well Stated. Right On Target.
Amen Brother To Everything You Said.

> is one of Morrissey's worst songs, ever?

> It's a shame that the Mikey's music was stricken by such banal, repetetive
> lyrics, and a horrible vocal melody. It's certainly one of those songs
> that you lower the volume on when the window is down.

> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

> In the past Morrissey has created music, that even in its most repetetive
> moments, still seemed ethereal, even otherwordly. I have not seen much
> evidence of this quality since Vauxhall & I. Now he's merely a radio
> artist who sings over chord proressions, and not tunes. I even believe
> that it is Morrissey who is holding back the band, and not the band
> members simply being unable to come up with interesting music.

> This was alluded to in the recent G Magazine article that was posted.
> Southpaw was written on acousitc guitar, and Morrissey kept wanting them
> to amp it up. Sometimes songs coneived on acoustic do not sound well amped
> up, and to me that is the trap that they are stuck in. Morrissey simply is
> not that great as a rock artist. He's best when engaging in udnerstament,
> and both lyrically and musically, there has been little understatement in
> recent times.

> I think a lot of people on this forum want Morrissey's current music to be
> so good that they delude themselves into believing that it is. They'll
> even try to go as far as to convincee veryone else who slags the album
> that they are simply not listening hard enough, as if they are stupid, or
> insane.

> Some even write grossly overenthusiastic reviews of songs that I cannot
> fathom as actually being sincere. It begins to sound like propaganda, and
> well, psychosis.

> Morrissey has fallen, not because he's no longer with Marr, but because of
> the trap that almost every artist falls into after great success:
> Detachment
 
your child has a future in lyrics writing. too bad el mozzo didn't think of it first
 
no, wait, i'm sorry. he'll probably sing it in a show and get the accolades for thinking of it
 
Re: your child has a future in lyrics writing. too bad el mozzo didn't think of it first

Oh it's great what kids will come up with lyric wise. I love listening to them sing Moz and Red Lightning songs and their "interpretations."
 
moz is a cuckoo head. i'm sure it's not a far reach to come up with something
 
Re: i do agree though, i want to hear morrissey move away from rock for the next album

Maybe in to rap? MC Moz in da house?
 
> I'm sorry, but this album is one of Morrissey's worst, imo. He seems to be
> pilfering less from pop culture, and is singing more about topics that
> seem far too specific to his own experiences. In the past, Morrissey's
> ability to generalize seemed much stronger, and I would even argue that it
> was his most important trait. I think the best way to sum up Morrissey as
> an artist since Southpaw, is as one who has completley forgotten about his
> audience. He has become self-indulgent. He's more successful simply
> because his sound is more mainstream. If that's what he wants, then I
> guess that's all that we're going to get.

Yours was a good post and I'm sorry you feel disappointed with ROTT. But in regards to that bit above, could it be that he's always sung about his own experiences but that in the past his experiences have been more similar to yours?
 
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