Did you see Morrissey 25 at the cinema?

Yes i went and only about 10 people there to see it.

Its ok i guess, wish the fan comments had been cut.

 

[Chip]

And I just discovered that the night before my local cinema is playing Morrissey: 25 this is happening

So it looks like it's going to be a pretty great weekend.

[Sorry if I posted something that wasn't in reply to the back and forth bickering on this thread--I got kind of bored around page 7 and zoned out around page 9]

 

[realitybites]

And I just discovered that the night before my local cinema is playing Morrissey: 25 this is happening View attachment 16180

So it looks like it's going to be a pretty great weekend.

[Sorry if I posted something that wasn't in reply to the back and forth bickering on this thread--I got kind of bored around page 7 and zoned out around page 9]

I wanna go to a cryfest. Sounds fun.

 

[Chip]

I wanna go to a cryfest. Sounds fun.

I've never been--last one was in February I think and I had no idea about it until after it happened. I hear it's very fun though. I love both The Smiths and The Cure so how could it not be?

I am very much looking forward to that weekend.

 

[realitybites]

I've never been--last one was in February I think and I had no idea about it until after it happened. I hear it's very fun though. I love both The Smiths and The Cure so how could it not be?

I am very much looking forward to that weekend.

I love them both too. Are you going to wear black? I would. Will you tease your hair up to look like Smithy? I used to do that years ago.

 

[james bond]

Morrissey Live 25 -
Poorly edited. Most key lyrical moments are wasted with in and out of focus shots of band members and audience.
YouTube audience videos of this show are better than this film.
Too many mid tempo songs drag down the set.
Russell Brand intro cut possibly due to being more charismatic this night than Moz.
Moz gets credit for being a trooper and getting through the gig without passing out.
His non stop tour schedule caught up with him making him drained and sick.
Hope the band earns money from DVD sales to make up for cancelled dates.

 

[james bond]

Morrissey Live 25 -
Poorly edited. Most key lyrical moments are wasted with in and out of focus shots of band members and audience.
YouTube audience videos of this show are better than this film.
Too many mid tempo songs drag down the set.
Russell Brand intro cut possibly due to being more charismatic this night than Moz.
Moz gets credit for being a trooper and getting through the gig without passing out.
His non stop tour schedule caught up with him making him drained and sick.
Hope the band earns money from DVD sales to make up for cancelled dates.

 

[BrummieBoy]

That reviewer admits to never having been to any actual Morrissey concert. You cannot judge his general abilities as a performer by such a DVD, just as you cannot do so by seeing him in London, New York or Los Angeles, because he gives different concerts for celebrities fans and friends, media people and record company people compared to places which are not that glamorous for him. In fact elsewhere his concerts can best be described as half arsed. And this does not go back to the audience. I stood there amongst people who were very enthuiastic about him coming on stage, but as soon as he was there and it was all about a few people in the front row and his support, the whole thing fell flat. I had a look at that Hollywood High performance on youtube as it had just happened and it was laughably obvious that he was pleased to be shot by cameras and the prospect of this being properly recorded for everybody to see. Even if it had been shot at his usual half arsed locations he'd have been slightly more enthuiastic than usual just for the cameras. His selective efforts interestingly still manage to fool some... "journalists".

Some interesting critical observations which I, sadly nowadays, largely concur with. However, to be scrupulously fair to Morrissey, which I always am: I remember him blowing a gasket at the first London Palladium show in 06(?) because the first few rows were full of corporates and media celebrities on guest lists, not 'authentic consumers'. It was very theatrical and really raised the tempo in an amusing way. Also, he could really cash-in and sell-out by doing all that VIP Gold Circle meet'n'greet nonsense like wot Prince did at the O2. Prince is really, really a prat of the highest order. I couldn't debunk The Cult Of Prince Nelson Rodgers without risking a coronary. At least Moz doesn't release endless less-than-demo jam sessions and expect everyone to take them seriously....oh, wait...."Kid's A Looker"!.......

As some realise, I am actually very sympathetic/empathetic to Morrissey and his capture/self-enslavement to cultic fame. So different from that cripplingly shy young boy who used to get the train down to Brum after seeing Patti Smith at the Odeon, thinking "what the fcuk is this place?....I thought London was the epicentre....I'm not in Kansas/Machester now.....I'm in Moselely...and I'm finally free" *wink*

I've seen Morrissey give some of his most inflammatory and genuinely abandoned performances "far from the madding crowd" in forlorn leisure centre type places in Llandudno and Doncaster. But, yes, he is increasingly just another face-time-attention-fame-whore, and those of us who genuinely care about him have thus staged a 'managed intervention' to re-focus him on the fact that he could just as easily been another Lawrence of Belgravia if "the secret society" hadn't given him the nod and elevated him from Covent Garden's Rock Garden. It was touch and go, there was some dissent as to whether he was 'the real deal' or another provincial poseur: "someone" gave the casting vote, without which he would never have got anywhere. He knows all this, and his insouciant arrogance ever since is not a good look. He can be taken down anytime time, and if he continues to be a "Trollitican" rather than a subversive cultural politician, the cruise missiles and drones are in the bunker and can be launced at any time. That wouldn't be 'my' decision, but that of the the hive mind of "the secret society" which really does control popular culture, not from any Illuminati conspiracy position, but from a vantage point of cultural elevation for the masses.

I look forward to viewing this DVD in my home cinema, without having to put up with casual punters munching popcorn or weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth like they do from the Gods of arenas, squinting at a performer hundreds of yards away, too mean or clueless to even provide cinema-screen footage. Manchester. 2012. Read the comments: this film would have saved a lot of train fares/hotel costs.

I trust this is meaningful information to those who are pondering my/our presence on these boards.......not that I care about folk in Bel Air fuming and ranting with a proxy disguise......LOLOLOLOL!

With every good wish
Yours, in jubilo!

 

[BrummieBoy]

Hey look everyone, someone rattled BummieBoy! "I don't care who you are". "I don't care what you say". Your usual response to everyone isn't it? I mean aside from the attempts at insults. Sounds like you got a bit wound up this time doesn't it?
I am pretty sure that I do speak on behalf of the majority of people on here when it comes to you.
And as far as getting back on topic, remember genius, you replied to a post that was meant for someone else. What I wrote had absolutely nothing to do with you. Why not practice what you preach? Either write a review of the film, write another review of the film, or do the vast majority of people on this site a favor. Piss of yourself.

And as far as taking it up the asre, even if I was gay I wouldn't want it from you. I prefer the entrée, not the appetizer.

Have a lovely day, and may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

"I am pretty sure that I do speak on behalf of the majority of people on here when it comes to you."

Er, I don't think so! Even if you do, that's just proof of "groupthink" common to all cults based around capitalist entertainment entrepreneurs like Morrissey:

" Leading figures, either alive or dead, are honored and venerated. Statements are often supported by quotations and sayings from sacred writings or speeches."

http://www.sossobriety.org/cults.htm

So, you can carry on believing Morrissey is Oscar Redux, as can Morrissey himself, whilst those of us with critical sensibilities just roll our eyes and laugh out loud.

It's irrelevant to me what you think or anyone else in your coven. It's also irrelevant to me is some silly moderator plays silly games or DavidT decides I'm lowering the tone/page views and gets rid of me, thereby trashing his track record on freedom of speech issues. I have zero interest or even response if Moz 'bans' me from his cult gatherings or wears a "Fcuk BrummieBoy" t-shirt. It wouldn't surprise me if he totally wigs out rather than face feedback from 'consensual reality'. He can use his wealth and power to sue folk, just like all those clowns in the House of Fraudz, or he can retire the salt grindr flunkies and decide if he wants to fulfil his potential or collapse into comedic pantomime ridicule. Either way, I'll be watching. Either applauding a new chapter of fearless confrontation with forces of containment that's based on logic as well as emotion: or LOL-ing along at ever more ridiculous rants against other equally delusional celebrities. All celebrities are delusional, so are all 'fans'. It's a cultic response, no different to some quack religion. That's why we guard our children through adolescence so they emerge with only a few embarssing pics on their timelines, rather than cult casualties.

I hope this is helpful to you in understanding why I'm sitting here, having just walked through the morning dew with my wife and companinon canine. Why I'm listening to genuinely innovative musicians like Grimes and The Knife whilst typing this stuff. I have a hangover after getting too excited during X-Fcuktor. Sharon Osbourne was hilarious, and that Prison Warden singer and Hannah were just brilliant: but can they write as well as sing? Like Morrissey can do when he's not being a lazy drama Diva.

With every possible blessing and indifference to your concerns.

 

[BrummieBoy]

What about those people who have seen shows both in large metropolitan cities and in places that could be described as the middle of nowhere, and have enjoyed the latter just as much, if not more, than the big city shows? Are they lying or just wrong?

If it's your assertion that the only time any effort is made is when he's performing in front of his celebrity pals and that this effect is amplified even more by the presence of cameras, then surely this film contains the man at his best? If the man at his best isn't good enough for you then maybe just don't bother watching.

And can somebody please explain to me how exactly he favours the front row? Is it the handshakes and the eye contact? Should he wade into the crowd and shake everybody's hand one by one? Does the sound not travel past the first couple of rows? The experience of being on the barrier makes for a more intimate feel to the show, if for no other reason than actual physical proximity. If you want to be at the barrier, arrive early and queue all day. Then maybe you'll get the show you want. Or don't bother.

He could play 'in the round'. Or sing from the balconly for a few numbers. He could, y'know, challenge himself and his cult by actually engaging with The Audience beyond the first 10 rows. But, like engaging with curious festival crowds, he prefers the smug co-dependent feedback of The List. It doesn't matter, it's great fun to watch all this from the balconly, or to pretend to be a cult member and mosh at the front for a few numbers, before retiring to the back/bar with a drink and casting a wry view on the ridiculous manufactured 'hysteria'. I saw real hysteria at shows by Bolan, Bowie, Sabbath and The Faces: I haven't seen it a a Morrissey show for decades....and have no desire to see it again, other than as part of a 'lost in music' celebration of communal co-creation through Art. I find that nowadays in clubs, although The Knife at the Roundhouse was an astonishing debunk of the whole 'live authenticity experience' that Moz sadly now peddles like everyone else.

regards.

 

[BrummieBoy]

Me too.

A commercial compromise to ensure the film didn't attract an adult rating. In other words: a cop-out. It's clearly NOT a warts and all documentary of a live performance. From the interview with the director, it's clear Moz had minimal input (or interest?) in this project besides allowing access to his luminour aura or some such crap.

Also, possibly to avoid sharing royalties with the rights owners of the footage shown.

regards.

 

[BrummieBoy]

To go back to this thread's original question: Saw Morrissey 25 at our local indie movie theater (in Cleveland). About 40 people in the theater. It was not well-publicized here at all, and only played one night. Saw a number of Moz T-shirts and one perfectly precious 20-something behind me who was totally rocking the young Morrissey look. The majority of the audience appeared to be in their 30s/40s. I went with my seven-year-old daughter, who has wanted to go to a Morrissey concert with me each time I've gone since she's been around. I figured this was the closest we're going to get. She really liked it. I did too, although at times it seemed to lack energy for me. Not sure if that's the fault of the director/editor, or the fact that a Morrissey live show has a very unique atmosphere. I took my cousin to the Columbus show in January. She had always been a lukewarm fan, but afterwards said, "That was like a religious experience." And it is. I guess, at least for this concert film, it was like watching church services on television. You're seeing and hearing everything, but the sense of community is missing. Still, as someone who can't afford to go traveling to multiple shows each year, spending an evening watching Morrissey in concert on film was better than not seeing him at all.

People should be wary of indoctrinating their relatives into cults. As a recovering Catholic, Morrissey should be very clear on this and not propagate these silly memes to feed his neurotic self-image. Children should not be exposed to the slaughter-porn in "Meat Is Murder" as it will stop them enjoying "My Little Pony" and other such subversive genius art. And no, it's not just Morrissey: it's the entire rotten edifice of 'popular culture'. Except The Knife, maybe....

regards.

 

[BrummieBoy]

Morrissey Live 25 -
Poorly edited. Most key lyrical moments are wasted with in and out of focus shots of band members and audience.
YouTube audience videos of this show are better than this film.
Too many mid tempo songs drag down the set.
Russell Brand intro cut possibly due to being more charismatic this night than Moz.
Moz gets credit for being a trooper and getting through the gig without passing out.
His non stop tour schedule caught up with him making him drained and sick.
Hope the band earns money from DVD sales to make up for cancelled dates.

If Moz had a real vibrant audience/community, then they'd be on the cutting edge, like the Sigur Ros fans/devotees. Anyone catching shows by the new Pink Floyd sense a febrile intoxication that renders the tepid vapidity of Moz's shows a pale also-ran for a manic night out:

"An evolving music video Made by our fans on instagram: "

http://stormur.sigur-ros.co.uk/

Has anyone done this kind of thing with clips from shows by Morrissey? It would be intriguing to compare/contrast with the official propaganda DVD.

regards.

 

[itsverycold]

He could play 'in the round'. Or sing from the balconly for a few numbers.

You've said repeatedly that he's nothing special nowadays and that the feelings people have towards him are cultish and asinine. Why then are you proposing these genuinely outlandish steps that he should take? There are thousands of bands who play shows from a stage in front of rows of people. Why do they get a break? You could probably count the amount of artists playing in the way you suggest on one hand. If morrissey is just the same as every other touring musician why should he be held to a higher standard than the vast majority of bands?

 

[BrummieBoy]

You've said repeatedly that he's nothing special nowadays and that the feelings people have towards him are cultish and asinine. Why then are you proposing these genuinely outlandish steps that he should take? There are thousands of bands who play shows from a stage in front of rows of people. Why do they get a break? You could probably count the amount of artists playing in the way you suggest on one hand. If morrissey is just the same as every other touring musician why should he be held to a higher standard than the vast majority of bands?

Morrissey is just as rubbish as everyone else. As you say, he's just a touring workaholic musician. There's nothing outlandish about playing 'in the round' or subverting the hegemonic status of The Stage. Lots of artists do it. But they're real artists. U2 play in the round. And Prince. The Stage is a hierarchical control apparatus if it doesn't validate The Audience.

I respect the feelings that people have in respect to hearing his music and watching his performances as he, and they, trundle around the world. What I do not respect is the idea that the obsessives in the first few rows are helping Morrissey by reflecting back to him an entirely inappropriate and delusional response. Then they go home and scowl at teenager screaming at Bieber, Gaga and One Direction. Like Morrissey, they are just jealous, bitter and twisted. And have an entirely inflated view of their cult. Most people, quite rightly, just mock them now. And Morrissey. He is a cultural snob, so is his fanbase.

Don't think this is just about Morrissey. Nearly every other group is also rubbish. Popular music is exhausted and is dying. Morrissey's claim to be above this crisis is, in fact, a tame wallowing in entirely redundant nostrums of 'stardom'. His authenticity is crafted and manicured purely in response to an alleged inauthenticity in more commercially successful artists. In other words, it's just snobbery and jealousy.

always remember: I love you!
and my heart and my door are always open to recovering cult casualties.
be brave, step into reality: especially you, Morrissey!

 

[itsverycold]

As you say, he's just a touring workaholic musician.

I said nothing of the sort. Don't misquote me. Selective bold text doesn't strengthen your argument.

There's nothing outlandish about playing 'in the round' or subverting the hegemonic status of The Stage. Lots of artists do it. But they're real artists. U2 play in the round.

Ah, ok. I'm dealing with somebody whose first example of a "real artist" is u2. Say no more. Prince is f***ing awesome though. When i said that you could count the people playing "in the round" on one hand, u2 and prince were two of the people i was referring to. If you genuinely don't think that this situation is so rare as to be entirely out of the ordinary then i would question your grasp on reality. Of the thousands of bands that played played around the world this weekend, i would imagine the percentage that played something other than the traditional live music set up (band on stage, audience facing them) would be statistically uninteresting. Still though, f*** morrissey for playing music as music has been and will continue to be played. But he's nothing special.

There's no point responding to your other comments because you've said them before and will say them again. Morrissey's fanbase is a cult blah blah blah.

I look forward to your frightfully witty response.

 

[BrummieBoy]

I said nothing of the sort. Don't misquote me. Selective bold text doesn't strengthen your argument.



Ah, ok. I'm dealing with somebody whose first example of a "real artist" is u2. Say no more. Prince is f***ing awesome though. When i said that you could count the people playing "in the round" on one hand, u2 and prince were two of the people i was referring to. If you genuinely don't think that this situation is so rare as to be entirely out of the ordinary then i would question your grasp on reality. Of the thousands of bands that played played around the world this weekend, i would imagine the percentage that played something other than the traditional live music set up (band on stage, audience facing them) would be statistically uninteresting. Still though, f*** morrissey for playing music as music has been and will continue to be played. But he's nothing special.

There's no point responding to your other comments because you've said them before and will say them again. Morrissey's fanbase is a cult blah blah blah.

I look forward to your frightfully witty response.

You said exactly that. U2 are 'real artists' as much as Prince and Morrissey. I don't care for them, but they do play 'in the round'. I'm sure U2 chatboards are full of theories as to why they are 'more real than others', more real than Morrissey. I'm not interested in your opinion on Prince. This isn't a site about him. Again, he plays in the round sometimes. I agree that most bands accept and endorse the hegemony and hierarchy of stage presentations, especially Morrissey. But the, he's a thick, obvious, retro dullard like all the rest, so who knew?

I'm glad you didn't bother replying to any other points, saves me time and I'm tired.

"f*** morrissey for playing music as music has been and will continue to be played. But he's nothing special."

Your quote, not mine. A Freudian slip, no doubt. No, he's nothing special these days. He's an entirely conventional performer and will probably carry on "playing music as music has been and will continue to be played". And that is his tragedy. That he is now just another Boomer dinosaur fame whore.

You probably think this is all terribly important to me and that I'm trying to convince you and others to agree with me, but that's incorrect. I enjoy his music, I find him fascinating even if it's a bit nails-on-blackboard/rubbernecking a car-crash at times. I don't hate Morrissey or his co-dependent cult fans. I just find it all rather odd and fascinating, and a great way to pass the time inbetween organising investments and a complicated family life. Trust me, this is relaxtion, it's just fun.....

may Fate grant you your every wish, but be careful what you wish for!
and always remember: Morrissey loves you.

 

[itsverycold]

No, i didn't. I said "if morrissey is..." in response to yur constant declarations. If you'd come out in support of punching children in the face and i responded "if punching children in the face is so great then why...?" you could easily bold the words "punching children in the face is so great" and claim that it was a declarative statement. And you would be wrong. You know this though, and arguing semantics is nowhere near as fun as punching a child in the face.

Your decision to quote my statement in bold in your last response is the same deal. You know this though. Decent attempt.

I don't care whether this is important to you or not. It might surprise you to learn that you're not the only person who doesn't take this forum stuff as deathly serious.

 

[BrummieBoy]

No, i didn't. I said "if morrissey is..." in response to yur constant declarations. If you'd come out in support of punching children in the face and i responded "if punching children in the face is so great then why...?" you could easily bold the words "punching children in the face is so great" and claim that it was a declarative statement. And you would be wrong. You know this though, and arguing semantics is nowhere near as fun as punching a child in the face.

Your decision to quote my statement in bold in your last response is the same deal. You know this though. Decent attempt.

I don't care whether this is important to you or not. It might surprise you to learn that you're not the only person who doesn't take this forum stuff as deathly serious.

I note your violent imagery, directed towards children, with great concern. Please do not upset sensitive people on this site who love animals, children and flowers. It isn't 'fun' to punch a child in the face. How can you even suggest such a thing?

I hope you have someone you can call to share your distress with. I am concerned that you might get confused and punch a child in the face to try and convince yourself that your analogy isn't spurious nonsense. Try to visualise happy children who smile at you and don't mock Morrissey. Try to believe that your adoration of Morrissey is just a symptom of an illness. Morrissey didn't mean to trap you in a cult, he probably doesn't even realise he's a cult leader! I am thinking of "Barbarism Begins At Home": "a smack on the face"........I'm actually quite worried about you now. Are you listening to that old Smiths track? Is that what is triggering this violent child abuse imagery in your mind?

PLEASE! Talk to someone about these distressing mental events. Do not ignore the violent imagery that is percolating up from your repressed subconscious mind. I am going to bed now, but I will be lighting a candle for you. And praying for you. And for Morrissey (blessings be upon him!)

sleep, rest, recuperate.
and always remember Morrissey loves you, and he loves cats too.

 

[Chip]

I love them both too. Are you going to wear black? I would. Will you tease your hair up to look like Smithy? I used to do that years ago.

I was Robert Smith for Halloween once...so I have done that too. I was thinking more I was going to try to pull off a quiff as my hair is a little too short for Robert Smith, but probably too long for a proper quiff.

We will see.

 

[realitybites]

I was Robert Smith for Halloween once...so I have done that too. I was thinking more I was going to try to pull off a quiff as my hair is a little too short for Robert Smith, but probably too long for a proper quiff.

We will see.

Should be a good time. Maybe you'll take a pic or two?