Yes i went and only about 10 people there to see it.
Its ok i guess, wish the fan comments had been cut.
Its ok i guess, wish the fan comments had been cut.
I wanna go to a cryfest. Sounds fun.And I just discovered that the night before my local cinema is playing Morrissey: 25 this is happening View attachment 16180
So it looks like it's going to be a pretty great weekend.
[Sorry if I posted something that wasn't in reply to the back and forth bickering on this thread--I got kind of bored around page 7 and zoned out around page 9]
I wanna go to a cryfest. Sounds fun.
I love them both too. Are you going to wear black? I would. Will you tease your hair up to look like Smithy? I used to do that years ago.I've never been--last one was in February I think and I had no idea about it until after it happened. I hear it's very fun though. I love both The Smiths and The Cure so how could it not be?
I am very much looking forward to that weekend.
Some interesting critical observations which I, sadly nowadays, largely concur with. However, to be scrupulously fair to Morrissey, which I always am: I remember him blowing a gasket at the first London Palladium show in 06(?) because the first few rows were full of corporates and media celebrities on guest lists, not 'authentic consumers'. It was very theatrical and really raised the tempo in an amusing way. Also, he could really cash-in and sell-out by doing all that VIP Gold Circle meet'n'greet nonsense like wot Prince did at the O2. Prince is really, really a prat of the highest order. I couldn't debunk The Cult Of Prince Nelson Rodgers without risking a coronary. At least Moz doesn't release endless less-than-demo jam sessions and expect everyone to take them seriously....oh, wait...."Kid's A Looker"!.......That reviewer admits to never having been to any actual Morrissey concert. You cannot judge his general abilities as a performer by such a DVD, just as you cannot do so by seeing him in London, New York or Los Angeles, because he gives different concerts for celebrities fans and friends, media people and record company people compared to places which are not that glamorous for him. In fact elsewhere his concerts can best be described as half arsed. And this does not go back to the audience. I stood there amongst people who were very enthuiastic about him coming on stage, but as soon as he was there and it was all about a few people in the front row and his support, the whole thing fell flat. I had a look at that Hollywood High performance on youtube as it had just happened and it was laughably obvious that he was pleased to be shot by cameras and the prospect of this being properly recorded for everybody to see. Even if it had been shot at his usual half arsed locations he'd have been slightly more enthuiastic than usual just for the cameras. His selective efforts interestingly still manage to fool some... "journalists".
"I am pretty sure that I do speak on behalf of the majority of people on here when it comes to you."Hey look everyone, someone rattled BummieBoy! "I don't care who you are". "I don't care what you say". Your usual response to everyone isn't it? I mean aside from the attempts at insults. Sounds like you got a bit wound up this time doesn't it?
I am pretty sure that I do speak on behalf of the majority of people on here when it comes to you.
And as far as getting back on topic, remember genius, you replied to a post that was meant for someone else. What I wrote had absolutely nothing to do with you. Why not practice what you preach? Either write a review of the film, write another review of the film, or do the vast majority of people on this site a favor. Piss of yourself.
And as far as taking it up the asre, even if I was gay I wouldn't want it from you. I prefer the entrée, not the appetizer.
Have a lovely day, and may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
He could play 'in the round'. Or sing from the balconly for a few numbers. He could, y'know, challenge himself and his cult by actually engaging with The Audience beyond the first 10 rows. But, like engaging with curious festival crowds, he prefers the smug co-dependent feedback of The List. It doesn't matter, it's great fun to watch all this from the balconly, or to pretend to be a cult member and mosh at the front for a few numbers, before retiring to the back/bar with a drink and casting a wry view on the ridiculous manufactured 'hysteria'. I saw real hysteria at shows by Bolan, Bowie, Sabbath and The Faces: I haven't seen it a a Morrissey show for decades....and have no desire to see it again, other than as part of a 'lost in music' celebration of communal co-creation through Art. I find that nowadays in clubs, although The Knife at the Roundhouse was an astonishing debunk of the whole 'live authenticity experience' that Moz sadly now peddles like everyone else.What about those people who have seen shows both in large metropolitan cities and in places that could be described as the middle of nowhere, and have enjoyed the latter just as much, if not more, than the big city shows? Are they lying or just wrong?
If it's your assertion that the only time any effort is made is when he's performing in front of his celebrity pals and that this effect is amplified even more by the presence of cameras, then surely this film contains the man at his best? If the man at his best isn't good enough for you then maybe just don't bother watching.
And can somebody please explain to me how exactly he favours the front row? Is it the handshakes and the eye contact? Should he wade into the crowd and shake everybody's hand one by one? Does the sound not travel past the first couple of rows? The experience of being on the barrier makes for a more intimate feel to the show, if for no other reason than actual physical proximity. If you want to be at the barrier, arrive early and queue all day. Then maybe you'll get the show you want. Or don't bother.
A commercial compromise to ensure the film didn't attract an adult rating. In other words: a cop-out. It's clearly NOT a warts and all documentary of a live performance. From the interview with the director, it's clear Moz had minimal input (or interest?) in this project besides allowing access to his luminour aura or some such crap.Me too.
People should be wary of indoctrinating their relatives into cults. As a recovering Catholic, Morrissey should be very clear on this and not propagate these silly memes to feed his neurotic self-image. Children should not be exposed to the slaughter-porn in "Meat Is Murder" as it will stop them enjoying "My Little Pony" and other such subversive genius art. And no, it's not just Morrissey: it's the entire rotten edifice of 'popular culture'. Except The Knife, maybe....To go back to this thread's original question: Saw Morrissey 25 at our local indie movie theater (in Cleveland). About 40 people in the theater. It was not well-publicized here at all, and only played one night. Saw a number of Moz T-shirts and one perfectly precious 20-something behind me who was totally rocking the young Morrissey look. The majority of the audience appeared to be in their 30s/40s. I went with my seven-year-old daughter, who has wanted to go to a Morrissey concert with me each time I've gone since she's been around. I figured this was the closest we're going to get. She really liked it. I did too, although at times it seemed to lack energy for me. Not sure if that's the fault of the director/editor, or the fact that a Morrissey live show has a very unique atmosphere. I took my cousin to the Columbus show in January. She had always been a lukewarm fan, but afterwards said, "That was like a religious experience." And it is. I guess, at least for this concert film, it was like watching church services on television. You're seeing and hearing everything, but the sense of community is missing. Still, as someone who can't afford to go traveling to multiple shows each year, spending an evening watching Morrissey in concert on film was better than not seeing him at all.
If Moz had a real vibrant audience/community, then they'd be on the cutting edge, like the Sigur Ros fans/devotees. Anyone catching shows by the new Pink Floyd sense a febrile intoxication that renders the tepid vapidity of Moz's shows a pale also-ran for a manic night out:Morrissey Live 25 -
Poorly edited. Most key lyrical moments are wasted with in and out of focus shots of band members and audience.
YouTube audience videos of this show are better than this film.
Too many mid tempo songs drag down the set.
Russell Brand intro cut possibly due to being more charismatic this night than Moz.
Moz gets credit for being a trooper and getting through the gig without passing out.
His non stop tour schedule caught up with him making him drained and sick.
Hope the band earns money from DVD sales to make up for cancelled dates.
You've said repeatedly that he's nothing special nowadays and that the feelings people have towards him are cultish and asinine. Why then are you proposing these genuinely outlandish steps that he should take? There are thousands of bands who play shows from a stage in front of rows of people. Why do they get a break? You could probably count the amount of artists playing in the way you suggest on one hand. If morrissey is just the same as every other touring musician why should he be held to a higher standard than the vast majority of bands?He could play 'in the round'. Or sing from the balconly for a few numbers.
Morrissey is just as rubbish as everyone else. As you say, he's just a touring workaholic musician. There's nothing outlandish about playing 'in the round' or subverting the hegemonic status of The Stage. Lots of artists do it. But they're real artists. U2 play in the round. And Prince. The Stage is a hierarchical control apparatus if it doesn't validate The Audience.You've said repeatedly that he's nothing special nowadays and that the feelings people have towards him are cultish and asinine. Why then are you proposing these genuinely outlandish steps that he should take? There are thousands of bands who play shows from a stage in front of rows of people. Why do they get a break? You could probably count the amount of artists playing in the way you suggest on one hand. If morrissey is just the same as every other touring musician why should he be held to a higher standard than the vast majority of bands?
I said nothing of the sort. Don't misquote me. Selective bold text doesn't strengthen your argument.As you say, he's just a touring workaholic musician.
Ah, ok. I'm dealing with somebody whose first example of a "real artist" is u2. Say no more. Prince is fucking awesome though. When i said that you could count the people playing "in the round" on one hand, u2 and prince were two of the people i was referring to. If you genuinely don't think that this situation is so rare as to be entirely out of the ordinary then i would question your grasp on reality. Of the thousands of bands that played played around the world this weekend, i would imagine the percentage that played something other than the traditional live music set up (band on stage, audience facing them) would be statistically uninteresting. Still though, fuck morrissey for playing music as music has been and will continue to be played. But he's nothing special.There's nothing outlandish about playing 'in the round' or subverting the hegemonic status of The Stage. Lots of artists do it. But they're real artists. U2 play in the round.
You said exactly that. U2 are 'real artists' as much as Prince and Morrissey. I don't care for them, but they do play 'in the round'. I'm sure U2 chatboards are full of theories as to why they are 'more real than others', more real than Morrissey. I'm not interested in your opinion on Prince. This isn't a site about him. Again, he plays in the round sometimes. I agree that most bands accept and endorse the hegemony and hierarchy of stage presentations, especially Morrissey. But the, he's a thick, obvious, retro dullard like all the rest, so who knew?I said nothing of the sort. Don't misquote me. Selective bold text doesn't strengthen your argument.
Ah, ok. I'm dealing with somebody whose first example of a "real artist" is u2. Say no more. Prince is fucking awesome though. When i said that you could count the people playing "in the round" on one hand, u2 and prince were two of the people i was referring to. If you genuinely don't think that this situation is so rare as to be entirely out of the ordinary then i would question your grasp on reality. Of the thousands of bands that played played around the world this weekend, i would imagine the percentage that played something other than the traditional live music set up (band on stage, audience facing them) would be statistically uninteresting. Still though, fuck morrissey for playing music as music has been and will continue to be played. But he's nothing special.
There's no point responding to your other comments because you've said them before and will say them again. Morrissey's fanbase is a cult blah blah blah.
I look forward to your frightfully witty response.
I note your violent imagery, directed towards children, with great concern. Please do not upset sensitive people on this site who love animals, children and flowers. It isn't 'fun' to punch a child in the face. How can you even suggest such a thing?No, i didn't. I said "if morrissey is..." in response to yur constant declarations. If you'd come out in support of punching children in the face and i responded "if punching children in the face is so great then why...?" you could easily bold the words "punching children in the face is so great" and claim that it was a declarative statement. And you would be wrong. You know this though, and arguing semantics is nowhere near as fun as punching a child in the face.
Your decision to quote my statement in bold in your last response is the same deal. You know this though. Decent attempt.
I don't care whether this is important to you or not. It might surprise you to learn that you're not the only person who doesn't take this forum stuff as deathly serious.
I love them both too. Are you going to wear black? I would. Will you tease your hair up to look like Smithy? I used to do that years ago.
Should be a good time. Maybe you'll take a pic or two?I was Robert Smith for Halloween once...so I have done that too. I was thinking more I was going to try to pull off a quiff as my hair is a little too short for Robert Smith, but probably too long for a proper quiff.
We will see.
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