Der Spiegel audio "to be released in the next days" - Juliane Liebert tweet

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By dotmatrix522 on Dec 12, 2017 at 1:34 AM
  1. dotmatrix522

    dotmatrix522 Hey, how’s it going?

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    1. g23
      g23
      One of the most powerful tools in the abuser's handbook is to make their victims feel powerless, and more than that, alone. When one person has the bravery to stand up and say no, they won't keep the secret, they won't let the abuser hold power anymore, it causes others to feel empowered where they previously were frightened, powerless, and thinking they were alone in their struggle.

      So kindly shut up, or rub some bear hormones on your ass and take a long walk in the woods. Make sure and call the police right after, though. Bears don't live 30 years.
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    2. Harsh Truth
      Harsh Truth
      The album has fallen on deaf ears outside of anyone beyond his core fanbase, and is a patchy effort to say the least. (Several quite good songs, though).

      The (US) tour crashed and burned, just like many have before.

      Amidst all this, Morrissey releases a "Statement" (now a "Sponsored" post on Facebook, by the way, so as to reach the widest possible audience) about this stuff. What else is there to talk about? This is what he wants us talking about. He had to know that Der Spielgel would respond.

      Is this all some poorly thought-out ploy to sell a few more copies of LIHS? Because I really can't imagine all this moving a single person to buy the album.
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    4. Vic Strangeways
      Vic Strangeways
      Ketamine Sun's ulcer right now must be the size of Rourke's bulge on the gatefold of The Queen is Dead.
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    5. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      You wouldn't want him any other way? A hard-drinking bigot? You're welcome to him. I bet when the transcript's released, you'll still find a reason to say it's fake.
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    6. Vegan
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      Annnnnnnd the comments aren't nearly as bad as they were made out to be when you hear HIS TONE OF VOICE. It's obvious he's saying that you need to scrutinize accusations and put them in perspective. Sometimes it's not as bad or even wrong as it could be otherwise it becomes absurd. Everyone who asks someone out on a date is an abuser. He was obviously poorly informed of the Spacey situation. "As far as I understand it" or "As far as what I've heard" prior to saying what he said. So what? People do this. I have to side with Morrissey on this one. All he needed to say was "those comments need to be put in context". He has been unfairly maligned if you ask me.
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    7. ordinaryboy86
      ordinaryboy86
      It was exactly as printed. End of.
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    8. Vegan
      Vegan
      Yes and no. The media made it sound like he was giving Spacey a blanket pass on everything. If you listen to his words and tone it's obvious he only knew of one boy and he was skeptical because of this and that. His response is more intelligent than the knee-jerk "OMG! How awful! Let's lynch Spacey now! Guilty!". All Moz was saying is "Let's be careful otherwise this going to get out of hand. Let's analyze". Remember he doesn't trust the media.
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    9. Vegan
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      FFS. It's so easy to just be pc and go along with the lynch mob mentality when these accusations crop up. Most public persons are cowards. Moz was just trying to put things in perspective that sometimes it's not what it appears to be. IT'S BLOODY OBVIOUS. The only thing he should be faulted for is being naive in assuming people will give the benefit of the doubt and being too slow in responding. All he needs to do now is say "Yes those words were used but let me clarify". I'm much more angry about his vegan hypocrisy.
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    10. g23
      g23
      So he isn't blaming the victims for their abuse, making light of the accused parties actions, talking xenophobic nonsense, or icky allusions to fascism? The truth has shined a light. He said everything he has denied saying.
      I'm feeling vindicated and disappointed. It's not a great feeling to have.
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    11. Ugly Devil
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      All of the rumors
      Keeping me grounded
      I never said, I never said that they were
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    12. g23
      g23
      Got that covered, bud. ;)

      Wrong thread- but I'm just messing with you. What a fucking shame, that guy.
    13. Vegan
      Vegan
      No he is not "blaming the victims" in general. He's saying that SOME "victims" should have known better, are only disappointed or simply misunderstood the alleged "abuser". It's crystal fucking clear. This was made out to be "MORRISSEY DEFENDS SPACEY AND WEINSTEIN AND BLAMES VICTIMS" with zero qualifications or context. Don't be simplistic in your thinking. All he has to do is explain his comments in context for anyone with the slightest critical thinking ability
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    14. Ugly Devil
      Ugly Devil
      Didn't see your post. Oh well... my remix adds a pretty photo.
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    15. g23
      g23
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      His comments were in the context of the interview. The tapes have been released.
      Ol' Devious Stevious, with a side of truculence and unreliability for good measure
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    16. mcrickson
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      See, that's called "victim blaming."

      I agree.

      Then why was his claim that he didn't say it, rather than his claim being (as you say) that his words were taken out of context. He blatantly said "If you don't hear the words come out of my mouth, I didn't say it." Well, he did. If he had said, "I said those words, but they were taken out of context to make headlines," then your point would have validity.
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    17. Vegan
      Vegan
      Time will tell I guess. Guess what? Sometimes it IS the victim who shares the blame (this doesn't include actual sexual assault but rather unwanted advances). Would I state the publicly? FUCK NO because 98% that isn't true. I believe ALL accusations should be taken seriously and investigated. Moz is simply out of touch and should know better when talking publicly. Eh, it's up to him if he wants to explain himself. I know what I heard but in the this climate people react more out of emotion than reasoning ability.
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    18. mcrickson
      mcrickson
      If a person is raped or sexually assaulted, that person holds zero percent of the responsibility for another human being unable to control their sexual urges. Zero.
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    19. g23
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      A woman could fall unconscious, nude and splayed out for the taking, and she would not be to blame. The person who crosses the line into criminality at that moment, and a lapse of morals, and basic humanity is always to blame. Good. People. Don't. Prey. On. People. Regardless. Of. Opportunity.

      Perhaps a cow is to blame for being delicious? No, that's ridiculous. You'd never say that.
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    20. Vegan
      Vegan
      Agreed. Didn't say otherwise. We aren't just talking about those extreme cases though, are we?
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