Daily Mail Morrissey article "Bonfire Of Teenagers" & Manchester Bombing (October 27, 2022)

Richard LittleJohn best know as the conservative poster boy reviews Morrissey Bonfire of teenagers.

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Why should we go easy on Islamist killers? Singer Morrissey rejects the ubiquitous 'turn another cheek' response. And quite right, too - dailymail.co.uk

But sadly I feel it misses the point & makes him out to be some sort of pop star for the Far Right.

But again what do you expect from the Daily Mail.

October 29, 2022:
Now a Central post:

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[Fion s]

There's no emotional words in the post !

I just think it's going to be an uphill battle to improve his image beyond his core fanbase if Central keeps reinforcing the narrative that he has a problem with non-white immigrants & has gone fash by posting YouTubers & journalists widely believed to be loathsome.

Criticising terrorists is good, actually.

 

[Malarkey]

So the crowds are 'coming back' to use your phrase because they think Morrissey is against freedom of expression? Because that ultimately is my view - which I'm glad you purport to know. From my point of view you can be in favour of mass immigration or against mass immigration - I don't mind. I just think you should be allowed to take the latter position without being accursed of being a racist. We may never know Moz's true 'views' on this subject of course - it's all guess work from a series of interviews and onstage comments between songs - but my guess is on this subject his views and my views are in the same ball park. But I could be wrong. Again, ultimately I don't really care if he's pro or contra mass immigration and open borders. I do care though that he has clearly taken a stance in favour of freedom of expression, in these times where it is much easier to say nothing and keep your mouth shut. To speak up takes courage - and courage is commendable.

Oh, quit it. You're on here banging on about immigration every chance you get.

He's saying nothing to the press & the song that prompted the article doesn't contain any identifying information except "don't look back in anger".

 

[BookishBoy]

Oh, quit it. You're on here banging on about immigration every chance you get.

He's saying nothing to the press & the song that prompted the article doesn't contain any identifying information except "don't look back in anger".

I honestly don't know what you mean by this bit, particularly "any identifying information"? What are you saying about the song? (Apologies if I'm being dim.)

 

[Malarkey]

I honestly don't know what you mean by this bit, particularly "any identifying information"? What are you saying about the song? (Apologies if I'm being dim.)

It doesn't name a person, or a location, there's no indication of anyone's ethnicity or religion.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I don’t believe that Morrissey is racist, but the media and some on the far right do, and when M Central is reposting articles written or videos posted by people to the far right, they reinforce the narrative being pushed by the media, the far-right and the ultra PC, that Morrissey is the second coming of Hitler. And by doing so, they are staining his career and legacy beyond recognition or repair. If this is what Morrissey wants, fine. But he really shouldn’t complain about it then.

 

[gashonthenail]

I don’t believe that Morrissey is racist, but the media and some on the far right do, and when M Central is reposting articles written or videos posted by people to the far right, they reinforce the narrative being pushed by the media, the far-right and the ultra PC, that Morrissey is the second coming of Hitler. And by doing so, they are staining his career and legacy beyond recognition or repair. If this is what Morrissey wants, fine. But he really shouldn’t complain about it then.

I think you'll find it's the left who think Morrissey is racist and an incarnation of Hitler - see Billy Bragg et al. I'm not aware of anyone on the right saying anything along those lines. It's the left who call Morrissey racist - for everyone else, he's just a man with opinions. And if Finsbury Park in 1992 proved anything - it's that the real far right nutters out there hate a sissy-boy intellectual like Morrissey. Morrissey always has been and always will be a poster-boy for free thinkers and misfits - not the far right.

 

[Amy]

To the surprise of very few, Malarkey is once again hitting the nail on the head. M Central is reinforcing the narrative and the end result is sadly already as obvious as snow. One can only assume that Team Moz relishes the idea of Moz being a far-right poster boy. They do absolutely nothing to challenge this narrative. This will hound him to the grave and beyond.

This would make more sense if there were any coherence to the ‘narrative’ being pushed by Central, but it’s chaos. There’s no sense of editorial control or selectivity in what appears there, it’s just a collection of random Morrissey mentions – from tour posters in a toilet to dancing Moz figurines, cover versions, fan videos, unhinged YouTubers and crap Photoshops. The Littlejohn article is as thoughtless as any of that, it means nothing. Believing that he’s ‘endorsing’ it is just searching for meaning in a skipful of shite.

 

[Anonymous]

And if Finsbury Park in 1992 proved anything - it's that the real far right nutters out there hate a sissy-boy intellectual like Morrissey.

Not trying to point score here, just providing a first-hand experience. I was in the crowd that day and the knuckleheads around me hated him. But they liked him slightly more after he whipped the flag out. A couple of them even cheered.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

This would make more sense if there were any coherence to the ‘narrative’ being pushed by Central, but it’s chaos. There’s no sense of editorial control or selectivity in what appears there, it’s just a collection of random Morrissey mentions – from tour posters in a toilet to dancing Moz figurines, cover versions, fan videos, unhinged YouTubers and crap Photoshops. The Littlejohn article is as thoughtless as any of that, it means nothing. Believing that he’s ‘endorsing’ it is just searching for meaning in a skipful of shite.

They still consistently repost videos by the alt-right.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I think you'll find it's the left who think Morrissey is racist and an incarnation of Hitler - see Billy Bragg et al. I'm not aware of anyone on the right saying anything along those lines. It's the left who call Morrissey racist - for everyone else, he's just a man with opinions. And if Finsbury Park in 1992 proved anything - it's that the real far right nutters out there hate a sissy-boy intellectual like Morrissey. Morrissey always has been and always will be a poster-boy for free thinkers and misfits - not the far right.

The problem is that the overly PC left see racists around every corner and the right are completely blind to it. My point is that the alt right, even though they themselves are blind to their possible far-right ideology, see Moz as one of their own. And that, because he keeps promoting them, will remain a huge liability for him for the rest of his career, if he doesn’t decide to do something about it.

 

[Malarkey]

I think you'll find it's the left who think Morrissey is racist and an incarnation of Hitler - see Billy Bragg et al. I'm not aware of anyone on the right saying anything along those lines. It's the left who call Morrissey racist - for everyone else, he's just a man with opinions. And if Finsbury Park in 1992 proved anything - it's that the real far right nutters out there hate a sissy-boy intellectual like Morrissey. Morrissey always has been and always will be a poster-boy for free thinkers and misfits - not the far right.

Everyone on the right called him it. At its peak it was universal - even when they used him for a few culture war pieces.

It's thawing now because people are starting to suspect it isn't true - but Central's posting habits could sink him - American white nationalists are promoting him on their website because of Black Pigeon Speaks.

Launching an album in Amercica with American racists on his website - when it'll get attention because of Miley Cyrus etc - is sabotage on an epic scale.

Edit - for some added context - Central is promoting him to people who are struggling to lose their hatred of Catholics, think South Americans are rapists and criminals who should be sent back to South America (so that includes most of his band), hate drag queens and think the LGBTQ+ community are rapists who are grooming children - so the only way this is coming from Morrissey is if he's lost his mind.

 

[Redacted]

This talk about the far right, esp in the US is laughable
Some of you sound pretty foolish, you don't know anything about the US or Americans and you certainly don't know anything about free speech

 

[gashonthenail]

The problem is that the overly PC left see racists around every corner and the right are completely blind to it. My point is that the alt right, even though they themselves are blind to their possible far-right ideology, see Moz as one of their own. And that, because he keeps promoting them, will remain a huge liability for him for the rest of his career, if he doesn’t decide to do something about it.

Not sure how Moz has ever promoted the 'alt right'? He briefly promoted For Britain in the UK, almost certainly mostly due to their policy to ban halal slaughter, but I really don't see how SER posting a Youtube video that references Morrissey on Moz Central can be viewed as promoting anyone, other than Morrissey.
Immigration is a subject that the far right has always liked to exploit for their own ends. In response, the left's attitude is - well, let's not talk about it then. Whereas for most people, it's a subject that's important, and a subject they want to talk about. And they don't think it's racist to want to control it. It's clearly a subject that Moz is not scared to talk about. It may be that his talking about it has aroused the interest of a few unsavoury characters - Richard Littlejohn being perhaps a rather insipid example, but clearly SER is not too interested in the history of anyone he posts on Moz Central - the only criterion is that they reference Moz, even if it's a scrawling on a toilet wall. And I don't think people like Littlejohn see Morrissey as 'one of their own'. As someone growing up in the UK, I know a little about the history of Littlejohn and his style of journalism. I have absolutely no idea about the history of Morgoth's Review or Black Pigeon - I don't think SER does either, we can leave it to Malarkey to investigate, but both postings were interesting in their comments about Moz, especially the one comparing Morrissey and Stormzy (something everybody with a brain was thinking at the time but was afraid to say) - as the saying goes, even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. No one was promoting them. They could be vile racists, they could be just loners with body odour and a laptop. I don't think most of us care. They made a video that referenced Morrissey, so SER posted the video on Moz Central. How's that a liability?

 

[gashonthenail]

Everyone on the right called him it. At its peak it was universal - even when they used him for a few culture war pieces.

It's thawing now because people are starting to suspect it isn't true - but Central's posting habits could sink him - American white nationalists are promoting him on their website because of Black Pigeon Speaks.

Launching an album in Amercica with American racists on his website - when it'll get attention because of Miley Cyrus etc - is sabotage on an epic scale.

Edit - for some added context - Central is promoting him to people who are struggling to lose their hatred of Catholics, think South Americans are rapists and criminals who should be sent back to South America (so that includes most of his band), hate drag queens and think the LGBTQ+ community are rapists who are grooming children - so the only way this is coming from Morrissey is if he's lost his mind.

'Everyone on the right called him [racist]' - please give examples. Quotations please. That is pure rewriting history. No one on the right, on the far right, or even on the centre, has ever called Morrissey racist - why on earth would they? It's only people on the left who have called him racist. It's only those on the left who think it's racist to talk about immigration. That's the point. No sane person thinks it's racist to talk about immigration.

 

[Malarkey]

'Everyone on the right called him [racist]' - please give examples. Quotations please. That is pure rewriting history. No one on the right, on the far right, or even on the centre, has ever called Morrissey racist - why on earth would they? It's only people on the left who have called him racist. It's only those on the left who think it's racist to talk about immigration. That's the point. No sane person thinks it's racist to talk about immigration.

Morrissey has barely mentioned immigration in his entire life.

But the last time we had this conversation SER immediately posted Black Pigeon Speaks - so I'll leave it there.

No one was thinking what was in the Morgoth video apart from neo-Nazis because the comparisons to Britpop had been made years before & skin colour didn't need to come into it.

He was called far right in the Telegraph, the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times, the Daily Mail, UnHerd & the Critic.

The far right use different labels - but have used his name.

Hopefully at some point someone will realise that Central is damaging & will stop posting shits like Littlejohn etc.

 

[gashonthenail]

Morrissey has barely mentioned immigration in his entire life.

But the last time we had this conversation SER immediately posted Black Pigeon Speaks - so I'll leave it there.

No one was thinking what was in the Morgoth video apart from neo-Nazis because the comparisons to Britpop had been made years before & skin colour didn't need to come into it.

He was called far right in the Telegraph, the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times, the Daily Mail, UnHerd & the Critic.

The far right use different labels - but have used his name.

Hopefully at some point someone will realise that Central is damaging & will stop posting shits like Littlejohn etc.

All the publications you mention referenced Morrissey's apparent support for a purportedly 'far right' party called For Britain, all in the context no doubt of Morrissey being 'controversial' and contrarian. None of those publications claimed him as their own for doing so. I'm not aware of any of those publications supporting For Britain. None of those publications called him racist, or suggested that his apparent support for For Britain meant he must be racist. Only the left did that.
Hopefully SER at some point will stop posting shite on Moz Central - perhaps on that we can agree.

 

[NealCassidy]

 

[BookishBoy]

It doesn't name a person, or a location, there's no indication of anyone's ethnicity or religion.

OK, but I still don't understand your point here. Are you suggesting it was unfairly or erroneously picked up on by Littlejohn in his article? That he's reading things into it that might not be there?

 

[Malarkey]

OK, but I still don't understand your point here. Are you suggesting it was unfairly or erroneously picked up on by Littlejohn in his article? That he's reading things into it that might not be there?

Yes - because the song itself has chosen not to highlight anything but a feeling of anger at an atrocity. The gig comments were quite awkward & seemed like a way of saying he'd feel the same about any murder regardless of backgrounds.

 

[Malarkey]

All the publications you mention referenced Morrissey's apparent support for a purportedly 'far right' party called For Britain, all in the context no doubt of Morrissey being 'controversial' and contrarian. None of those publications claimed him as their own for doing so. I'm not aware of any of those publications supporting For Britain. None of those publications called him racist, or suggested that his apparent support for For Britain meant he must be racist. Only the left did that.
Hopefully SER at some point will stop posting shite on Moz Central - perhaps on that we can agree.

Of course they wouldn't claim him as their own - they condemned him - or tried to defend him by implying that he was just racist the way anyone's stubborn old Uncle might be.

The Evening Standard & the Financial Times also called him far right, racist etc. They're right-wing.