"Cosmic Dancer" b/w "That's Entertainment" vinyl 7" released today (February 19, 2021)

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First mentioned last August and 3 months after the digital release of Cosmic Dancer, today sees the official release date of the double A-side black vinyl.
This release appears to be very widely available with HMV, Mporium, most Amazons & Indies having good stocks.
Amazon & HMV briefly listed the release date as January 29, both revising it shortly thereafter.
It will more than likely chart quite high on the vinyl singles chart based on previous releases.

There is no matrix message on either side of the record.

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(above pics via @AngelosBarry)

Cosmic Dancer is mis-dated as February 6, 1991 (the Kill Uncle Tour didn't start until the end of April, '91).
The actual date of the gig was June 2, 1991 at The Great Western Forum (the venue's name at the time).
This appears to be an error based on the US/UK dating systems and clearly wasn't checked thoroughly.

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The Morrissey Central assertion re: That's Entertainment:
"...The recording is not the aborted version from 1994..."
may well remain a mystery (or perhaps is as erroneous as the dating of Cosmic Dancer).

Update:

That's Entertainment became available on a variety of digital music hosts/shops some time after midnight UK time.
The track appeared on YouTube thereafter too (with comments turned off):


Regards,
FWD.



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Uncleskinny

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It's not clear - Judge Weeks found in favour of Joyce, ordering that he receive approximately £1 million in back-payments and 25 percent henceforth. Morrissey, without Marr, unsuccessfully mounted an appeal to the Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in November 1998.
Yes, but the biggest reason why Morrissey won't share a stage with Joyce is not the money, though that really hurt. Joyce jilted Morrissey, and for that, he will never, ever be forgiven. All the statements you read about Morrissey's antipathy toward Joyce are less to do with the money, though he likes to dress it up like that, and more to do with Joyce taking a lady and breaking off with Morrissey.
 
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Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
Yes, but the biggest reason why Morrissey wont share a stage with Joyce is not the money, though that really hurt. Joyce jilted Morrissey, and for that, he will never, ever be forgiven. All the statements you read about Morrissey's antipathy toward Joyce are less to do with the money, though he likes to dress it up like that, and more to do with Joyce taking a lady and breaking off with Morrissey.
Oh, come on Skinny, even you must be getting a bit tired of trotting this out now. Mike Joyce has been with his wife since 1979 - the same amount of time that Johnny Marr has been with Angie! More than that, Mike is on record saying that he & Andy were never particularly close to Morrissey, he rarely socialised with the band and when he did have business to discuss, he did it via Johnny. Which is exactly the situation that Rogan described (in Severed Alliance), and echoed by others in the Smiths camp. Not only did they not have a romantic relationship, they basically had no social connection at all. From an interview with Mike in 2003:

Q: Looking from the outside it really did seem like you, Andy and Johnny and then Morrissey completely separate. Was it really as clear cut and defined as that?
A: Yeah - well I think Johnny was kind of a mediator and obviously a close confident of Morrissey's, he was the only one that Morrissey had really within the group. Johnny would have meetings and discuss the direction and aspects of the band with Morrissey and we'd discuss our own side of it.

We had a relationship where we didn't socialize a lot, but that was fine. Just because he wasn't jumping around with his foot on the monitor screaming 'let's go out and get p*ssed'. If the guy has his own way of conducting himself on a social level then that's the way it is - I'm not going to be like 'come on...'


Q: Throughout the years, Morrissey had close friends that he confided in. Did he ever allow the band to get close to them or was it totally separate?
A: It wasn't a matter of being allowed. It was more a matter of we didn't want to get particularly close to his close friends. He took that relationship with those people very seriously and very privately. It was a different mindset, obviously I can only speak for myself here and not Andy and Johnny, but the people he did hang around with seemed to me the intelligentsia, the readers and the heavy thinkers. And I felt as though I didn't want to go into that scene because I thought they'd go "here we are - thicko drummer", I really did think that.

I had a set of friends that I had even before I joined the Smiths and I kept onto those people. They weren't discarded at the first sign of success and I still have a lot of those friends now. I think a lot of Morrissey's friend did think I was the thicko drummer that just partied and a kind of Mr Sid The Sexist.

If that's not enough, here's Moz himself, talking about the court case and band roles:

"Mike played his instrument and went home. He was always in search of more shags. Now Johnny Marr and myself, throughout the history of The Smiths, never slept with anybody, and took The Smiths very seriously. We stayed up till the small hours perfecting and shaping everything. Joyce was the exact opposite - he had no sense of duty."

Now, unless there is an entire industry of people committed to lying endlessly about this, your 'confidant' was playing with you to make themselves seem important. Each time you repeat it, you just get played again.
 

Uncleskinny

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Oh, come on Skinny, even you must be getting a bit tired of trotting this out now. Mike Joyce has been with his wife since 1979 - the same amount of time that Johnny Marr has been with Angie! More than that, Mike is on record saying that he & Andy were never particularly close to Morrissey, he rarely socialised with the band and when he did have business to discuss, he did it via Johnny. Which is exactly the situation that Rogan described (in Severed Alliance), and echoed by others in the Smiths camp. Not only did they not have a romantic relationship, they basically had no social connection at all. From an interview with Mike in 2003:

Q: Looking from the outside it really did seem like you, Andy and Johnny and then Morrissey completely separate. Was it really as clear cut and defined as that?
A: Yeah - well I think Johnny was kind of a mediator and obviously a close confident of Morrissey's, he was the only one that Morrissey had really within the group. Johnny would have meetings and discuss the direction and aspects of the band with Morrissey and we'd discuss our own side of it.

We had a relationship where we didn't socialize a lot, but that was fine. Just because he wasn't jumping around with his foot on the monitor screaming 'let's go out and get p*ssed'. If the guy has his own way of conducting himself on a social level then that's the way it is - I'm not going to be like 'come on...'


Q: Throughout the years, Morrissey had close friends that he confided in. Did he ever allow the band to get close to them or was it totally separate?
A: It wasn't a matter of being allowed. It was more a matter of we didn't want to get particularly close to his close friends. He took that relationship with those people very seriously and very privately. It was a different mindset, obviously I can only speak for myself here and not Andy and Johnny, but the people he did hang around with seemed to me the intelligentsia, the readers and the heavy thinkers. And I felt as though I didn't want to go into that scene because I thought they'd go "here we are - thicko drummer", I really did think that.

I had a set of friends that I had even before I joined the Smiths and I kept onto those people. They weren't discarded at the first sign of success and I still have a lot of those friends now. I think a lot of Morrissey's friend did think I was the thicko drummer that just partied and a kind of Mr Sid The Sexist.

If that's not enough, here's Moz himself, talking about the court case and band roles:

"Mike played his instrument and went home. He was always in search of more shags. Now Johnny Marr and myself, throughout the history of The Smiths, never slept with anybody, and took The Smiths very seriously. We stayed up till the small hours perfecting and shaping everything. Joyce was the exact opposite - he had no sense of duty."

Now, unless there is an entire industry of people committed to lying endlessly about this, your 'confidant' was playing with you to make themselves seem important. Each time you repeat it, you just get played again.
No I'm not tired of it. Guess why? Because the conversation I had with the person who knows convinced me. You didn't have that conversation - I did. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, won't it? And you will owe me an apology.
 
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Lymm Dam

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Have you read Autobiography? The Smiths are dead.

Yes but none of them had Morrissey as a front man. His outright stubbornness is his own worst enemy and you keep your enemies close which is why his stubbornness is also his best friend. Do I really need to explain why Morrissey is on a different plain altogether in comparison to the bands you've cited? I will anyway.

Floyd reunited for a one off Live 8 concert where millionaires pretend to 'End Poverty'. Ball eating begins. The Sex Pistols were punks and would do anything for money. People would be disappointed if they didn't sell out. Punk performs the unexpected always, which I guess is to be expected :) I can't be bothered with the eagles, beatles and police.

No one holds Ian Brown and John Squire up the same level of respectability as Morrissey and Marr. The Roses band members didn't sue each other. They were screwed by their record company and then grew apart because of drugs and egos. Thankfully they fell back in favour with each other at Mani's Mother's funeral. Brown is not known for having principles that would stop him from embarking on a reunion tour to make tons of cash to pay off his wife in their divorce which is why he did it. I believe their attempt to make a new album was a ruse.

I'll eat my balls when Morrissey and Joyce share the stage.
You really are clueless.
For a start. The Smiths have never had, and never will have, the global appeal that PF had/have.
As for your stupid claim of Brown and Squire not having the appeal of Morrissey/Marr, just shows your ignorance and cluelessness

stick to Home n Away, Neighbours and the careers of Stefan Dennis & Jason Donovan, eh.
 

snoddywilko

Well-Known Member
No I'm not tired of it. Guess why? Because the conversation I had with the person who knows convinced me. You didn't have that conversation - I did. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, won't it? And you will owe me an apology.

Peter, have you ever considered for a single second that you might just be a gullible fool desperate to believe anything negative against your idol that you profess to hate but clearly aren’t capable of breaking free from?
 

Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
No I'm not tired of it. Guess why? Because the conversation I had with the person who knows convinced me. You didn't have that conversation - I did. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, won't it? And you will owe me an apology.
Look - if some strange, torrid truth is uncovered, I will certainly apologise. Unreservedly. I will come to your side of God's own county and buy you a pint. But I think, privately, you need to consider what is more likely. Is it more probable that Morrissey, Johnny, Andy, Mike, Stephen Street, Rogan and so many others are all lying about the dynamics and relationships in the band (and have been for 30+ years) or is it more likely that one single person identified a Smiths 'superfan' and strung you a bit of a line?

You don't strike me as someone who is easily fooled, and I certainly wonder how this person convinced you - who they are and what credibility they have to say those things. At the same time, I'm surprised you can't see how manipulative it looks. Anyone who understands pop culture knows that 'insider' information is a tantalising prospect for fans, that's why this forum has been filled with all kinds of fairytales - it's a power thing. I know something you don't know, which makes me important. So the motives of anyone involved in that kind of shit-stirring are immediately suspect - you have to ask, "Why are they telling me this? Do they bear a grudge, do they feel slighted, what's the benefit for them? Have they been ex-communicated from Camp Mozzer and they just want to make him look pathetic?"

Before I believed any such tale as that - from anyone - I'd want them to explain away the mountains of evidence to the contrary, all those contradicting views. I wouldn't be sitting there, nodding along, put it that way.
 
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Janice

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No I'm not tired of it. Guess why? Because the conversation I had with the person who knows convinced me. You didn't have that conversation - I did. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, won't it? And you will owe me an apology.
You really are an arrogant narcissist. You’re not an “in the know” you’re just a bumbling fool who bombards radio stations and threatens people with your “lawyer”. You’re reduced to patrolling the forums of an artist you hate, yet that same artist, you banged that leg like a drum at one of the last gigs you attended, that is of course, before you bottled Dublin 10 years ago. And subsequently became the deranged fool that you are today.
 

joe frady

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Or, in all likelihood, we shall all be too dead or too doolally to give a fig. According to an insider...

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Anonymous

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Peter, have you ever considered for a single second that you might just be a gullible fool desperate to believe anything negative against your idol that you profess to hate but clearly aren’t capable of breaking free from?
...or he could just be a fan of the music and man, from a certain point in time - like most of the rational people who’ve grown out of the man-child’s charade.

Morrissey hasn’t written a lyric or vocal melody worth talking about in nearly 3 decades. ...and he hasn’t written a single song in his entire, miserable existence - has he? He’s basically akin to the voice-over actor from those old Polident commercials, or the guy from the Hair Club for Men. He’s just the Sy Sperling of his own little world.

...but, HEY! Who needs more than half-rate, hired guns and a quick, rhyming phone-in - when you’re only aiming for the Polish charts?!!
 
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Anonymous

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No, he thinks the old Hollywood stars were so big that it should be more than an item on the news & an article in the paper.

I think he's thinking funeral of Valentino - or Jade Goody.
So, he’s a douche-bag. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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Vegan Cro Spirit 444

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Oy the :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: trolls and the 📤Head Mike trolls
fighting over which of the two scary looking twats was
in love with Moz:crazy:

Troll Insanity:mad:
 
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Vegan Cro Spirit 444

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OY the trolls will be apologizing to each other:sleeping:
the one troll had a conversation with the nutter troll over
free chinese buffet, whoopeedoo the one troll 'convinced' the other nutter, then the other troll objects
due to having its own nutter theory. In the end all the nutters
will apologize to each other. :flowers:
 
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Leonard

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“Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long-stem rose
Everybody knows”
 

BrummieBoy

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Bowie doing his best Leonard Cohen impression as usual on this one. The man absolutely could not sing
Are you suggesting Leonard Cohen 'couldn't sing'? If so, perhaps you should find another hobby that doesn't involve listening to contemporary music. Clown.
 

BrummieBoy

BrummieBoy
Morrissey is, literally, a vampire.

Bowie made few mistakes but one serious one was ever coming within 100 metres of this snake who now seeks to inflate his collapsed career by commandeering Bowie's image for his own purposes. An absolute ghoul who is always ready with the concern trolling when another 'celebrity' dies but only so he can feast on their corpse to get eyeballs on himself. A vile specimen whose death will be greeted with weary bemusement as his crazed cult demand a day of national mourning whilst the rest of the UK public vaguely remember a singer who had funny song titles then went bonkers because he never got a No 1 hit single. This entirely banal souvenir of a brief guest appearance desperately turned into an 'event' won't break that happy state of affairs.
 

marred

Member
Fair points, but I’d say everyone has their price—without exception.

When after a few beers he agreed to reunite The Smiths last time, after saying he wouldn’t (c.2006?), I gather it was accepted that Mike wouldn’t be the drummer.

I have to say I really enjoyed The Stone Roses’ shameless cash-in. And The Sex Pistols at Finsbury Park were ace.

Anyway, I’ve been thinking about the prospect all evening and I have a question: do you think a Smiths tour in the US would more lucrative than a Depeche Mode or Cure tour? It’s a given for the UK, but in the US? I have my doubts. I was working in America in 1992, and everyone I knew was much more familiar with the latter outfits.
I get what you're saying but I refuse to believe there's a price for everyone to sell out. I don't care if it's naivety speaking. I prefer to hope that there are people out there with principles that money can't buy. Morrissey has never been about the money. Fame and glory, yes. But cash, no. Morrissey just doesn't need the Smiths or a reunion. He's had more success as Morrissey than he ever did with the Smiths. I just don't get the chase for money myself. Art is more important to me.

Re Morrissey and Marr's beer summit; I feel like that was just an excuse to get back in touch with Marr. None of us knew about it until we read Autobiography so it seems it was never meant to hold water. More of a sinking than a launching.

As far as the Roses go I was just happy they had kissed and made up. There was never really any valid reason for them to keep those grudges alive. I saw them in 2011 and loved the gig. Brown sang like a man looking for his keys and never found them which is what I expected anyway. The lack of an album they promised left a bad taste in my mouth but I'm over it. I still love them.

I don't really know how the Smiths fit into America. Haven't The Cure been touring the States anyway? What I want from The Cure is this mystery album they've been promising for ten plus years that has now expanded to three albums that seem to never be coming.
 

marred

Member
Will never happen (at least for the Smiths rhythm section) but he will surely reconcile/reunite with Johnny one day. In 2007, JM said, "I'm not rich enough to turn that sort of money down. But it would have been morally wrong - and corrupt - to have done it. Unfortunately, with the four members of The Smiths, there is no friendship there any more. We don't hang around together and we haven't seen each other for years. How can you play with people under those circumstances? The other thing is, I didn't get into this for the money, so it would have been morally wrong to do those shows just for the money."

And then only one year later they were in a pub in Bowdon, talking about it.
The thing is Marr is rich enough to turn that sort of money down. He's not going hungry anytime soon but he'd justify a reunion anyway he saw fit given the chance. Fortunately it is not just up to him but there is hope in Marr saying he didn't get into this for the money. There is absolutely no point to a reunion and those that are hungry for it clearly missed what the Smiths were all about.

I realise they talked about it, but talk is cheap. Action is...
 

marred

Member
You really are clueless.
For a start. The Smiths have never had, and never will have, the global appeal that PF had/have.
As for your stupid claim of Brown and Squire not having the appeal of Morrissey/Marr, just shows your ignorance and cluelessness

stick to Home n Away, Neighbours and the careers of Stefan Dennis & Jason Donovan, eh.
Well done on completely missing the point of my entire post.

ps: you forgot to mention kangaroos, shrimp on barbies and many other cliches.
 

marred

Member
“No one holds Ian Brown and John Squire up the same level of respectability as Morrissey and Marr”

Perhaps it’s because I’m from Manchester, but my general experience is that The Smiths and The Stone Roses are equally revered.
I never said they weren't revered. I was referring to their principles. I revere Squire and Brown just as highly as Morrissey and Marr. What I was talking about is how they portray themselves in interviews and literature. Morrissey and (Marr to a lesser extent) have always been about standing up and saying what they think regardless of whose nose gets put out of joint. Morrissey made his principles known from the get go. You can hear it in their lyrics and the spoken word when asked.

Squire and Brown were about something entirely different altogether. They're my second favourite band for god's sake, and that is a very, very close second. What I mean is that Ian Brown is not adored in the same way that Morrissey is. No one is throwing themselves on stage to touch Ian Brown. That doesn't mean he isn't worthy of the same level of love. It's just different is all.
 

NealCassidy

FREE SPEECH #FBPB
Lol, is this the same skinny who wheels out ockham’s razor when it suits?
 

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