"Can Morrissey’s Musical Legacy Survive His Bad Press?" - Dallas Observer (July 16, 2019)

But Moz was never into love and romance and is in fact a cold and sinister man who prefer to see the bad rather than the good. He always separated himself from the place he grew up at and the people there. He was an extreme loner and he really did sit in the corner of the pub all alone muttering about killing the queen.

Most locals remember him as someone they were a bit scared of and that was best avoided. It was him against everybody else. I noticed when talking to those people that they almost did not understand the success he has had. Like he was doing something they could not quite understand at all.

I don't find any famous mancunians who ever liked the place and every band and artist was always saying things like "it's just a place we come from". The banter and the humour is unique and I always loved it and that is why someone like Hooky is so misunderstood by so many.

When Ian Curtis had his attacks Hooky reacted like a manc man would and handled it with irony and sarcasm which was seen as cold and stupid by others. Bernard was always like a woman and even sits like one legs close together so no manspreading there.
But having said that he has an intense longing for another dimension away from all this that is not necessarily religious.

Like me he just wants to return to where he came from, where his soul came from.
 
No. They don't keep me up at night, but I'm disappointed in Morrissey for stating them. Now, can you kindly answer my question?
No I won't be writing up a list of things Morrissey has spoken out about for you and I to argue upon kindly or otherwise. I'm done conversing with the outraged crowd. It gets me nowhere.
 
The Smiths even survived Moz' solo work, so I won't worry about this :)
 
No I won't be writing up a list of things Morrissey has spoken out about for you and I to argue upon kindly or otherwise. I'm done conversing with the outraged crowd. It gets me nowhere.
All I hear is that nothing Morrissey said is a great truth, and I must hide that quickly by insulting you and presuming to be your better.
 
Moz always hated scruffy mancunians with a passion and never liked the way they sound and how they dress and so on. There is no doubt he despises the place and its people.

That’s why he celebrated his 45th and 50th birthdays with shows here. If he’s not touring he always comes home for his birthday. He comes home at Christmas too. He is a constant visitor to a city centre apartment block where a close friend lives.

Manchester is his home. Remember his family line. His parents moved from Dublin to Manchester, just as their parents moved from rural Ireland to Dublin. It’s a move every generation. So Morrissey being a traveller is no big surprise.

He has lost his Manchester fan base. That will hurt.
 
I don't think so! No in the way it could have been. However, the legacy of The Smiths will because we still have Johnny Marr.
 
All I hear is that nothing Morrissey said is a great truth, and I must hide that quickly by insulting you and presuming to be your better.
Hiding the fact that you don't have an argument by appealing to common sense, insulting everyone who disagrees with you, and presuming to be their betters- that's what you did.
It's a semantic battle and nobody can be wrong or right unless they agree on the terms. I don't have an opinion. I think it's a pointless debate. It doesn't really matter... but I wonder how you're so sure? How was it decided (and by whom) that fascism was to be far-right on the political spectrum? Did God decide? Why can't one question the political spectrum if one sees an inconsistency in it without being an idiot? Whereas you're brilliant, because you know how to read a little chart and nod... yes?

Honestly, the argument can go on and on:
-"Fascism is socialism with a capitalistic veneer"
-But a big aspect of Fascism is nationalism and racialism- most commonly found on the right.
-Yes, but they place the country over the individual. Conservatives are for the rights of the individual.
-etc


Obviously, it's pointless for Marred to point out the things (s)he sees as great truths that he's said, because it's obvious you wouldn't agree with them.
 
Hiding the fact that you don't have an argument by appealing to common sense, insulting everyone who disagrees with you, and presuming to be their betters- that's what you did.
It's a semantic battle and nobody can be wrong or right unless they agree on the terms. I don't have an opinion. I think it's a pointless debate. It doesn't really matter... but I wonder how you're so sure? How was it decided (and by whom) that fascism was to be far-right on the political spectrum? Did God decide? Why can't one question the political spectrum if one sees an inconsistency in it without being an idiot? Whereas you're brilliant, because you know how to read a little chart and nod... yes?

Honestly, the argument can go on and on:
-"Fascism is socialism with a capitalistic veneer"
-But a big aspect of Fascism is nationalism and racialism- most commonly found on the right.
-Yes, but they place the country over the individual. Conservatives are for the rights of the individual.
-etc


Obviously, it's pointless for Marred to point out the things (s)he sees as great truths that he's said, because it's obvious you wouldn't agree with them.

How was it decided that fascism is right-wing? Because of the definition of right-wing and left-wing. The more right you go, the more the system is made hierarchical. The more left you go, the more your ideals pursue equality. How were these ideals decided? They were conveyed through language, produced by the minds of several philosophers and placed into a spectrum for comparison. You would know this, of course, if you'd picked up any book written about politics in the last hundred years.

Fascism is nowhere close to socialism. Fascism is authoritarian ultranationalism. Socialism is the abolishment of the state, and the establishment of equality and the destruction of nationalism.
 
But having said that he has an intense longing for another dimension away from all this that is not necessarily religious.

Like me he just wants to return to where he came from, where his soul came from.

The Smiths and some of his solo stuff is very romantic. Starting with Reel Around The Fountain.
He is just romantic in an old brittsh kind of way. True romance. Not hollow like the new romantics.
 
The Smiths and some of his solo stuff is very romantic. Starting with Reel Around The Fountain.
He is just romantic in an old brittsh kind of way. True romance. Not hollow like the new romantics.
Not tacky romanticism but always with something sinister added and filled with reference to serial killers or other criminals. I still wouldn't call it romantic as such.
 
That’s why he celebrated his 45th and 50th birthdays with shows here. If he’s not touring he always comes home for his birthday. He comes home at Christmas too. He is a constant visitor to a city centre apartment block where a close friend lives.

Manchester is his home. Remember his family line. His parents moved from Dublin to Manchester, just as their parents moved from rural Ireland to Dublin. It’s a move every generation. So Morrissey being a traveller is no big surprise.

He has lost his Manchester fan base. That will hurt.
Of course a UK tour will include Manchester but he is a Stretford republican and never forget that. He's too classy to associate himself with Manchester.
 
That’s why he celebrated his 45th and 50th birthdays with shows here. If he’s not touring he always comes home for his birthday. He comes home at Christmas too. He is a constant visitor to a city centre apartment block where a close friend lives.

Manchester is his home. Remember his family line. His parents moved from Dublin to Manchester, just as their parents moved from rural Ireland to Dublin. It’s a move every generation. So Morrissey being a traveller is no big surprise.

He has lost his Manchester fan base. That will hurt.
He never had any kind of following in Manchester and his fans came from other parts of the country. He couldn't care less about where his fan base is and know full well Manchester people always were flaming commies who never dared to think for themselves unless it was sanctioned by Labour.

Pathetic place and people politically but not a word about the nazi black shirts now and the political scandals of the past.
 
How was it decided that fascism is right-wing? Because of the definition of right-wing and left-wing. The more right you go, the more the system is made hierarchical. The more left you go, the more your ideals pursue equality. How were these ideals decided? They were conveyed through language, produced by the minds of several philosophers and placed into a spectrum for comparison. You would know this, of course, if you'd picked up any book written about politics in the last hundred years.

Fascism is nowhere close to socialism. Fascism is authoritarian ultranationalism. Socialism is the abolishment of the state, and the establishment of equality and the destruction of nationalism.
Good response.
Yes, I know sociologists often base a movement's place upon the political spectrum on its response to hierarchy.
In that case, you're correct in saying that fascism accepts and enforces hierarchy and therefore ends up on the right.
I don't think the question should be how those ideals were decided. Rather, how it was decided that these particular ideals would determine where a system lies on the political spectrum, when using other ideals might arrange the systems a bit differently.

For example, if you instead base a system's placement on governmental regulations on personal property, you get a different result. Conservatives generally place far more emphasis on the individual to manage their own affairs and they don't want the interference of government in doing so. Communism and fascism are alike in the fact that they both nationalized property. Communism did so overtly, obviously. Fascism required business owners to use their property solely in the national interests, which were actually the interests of the autocratic leader. That certainly isn't in line with right-wing ideals.

In fascism, we see an elimination of the individual, as all must be employees of the State, or collectivist tactics are enforced. The group identity is placed above the individual. Liberals today advocate for a system of identity politics which invariably places the group identity above the individual one. Yes, using the measuring stick of hierarchy, this is consistent with the left's ideals, as the ultimate goal of identity politics is to giver everyone an equal opportunity and equal representation. Still, the loss of personal identity found within fascism is closer to these ideals than the ideals of the right wing, which believes in individualism and working one's own way to the top without government hand-outs.
Also, an egalitarian ideal was somewhat present in fascist states as well- to a certain degree. All Germans were to be equal, but the Jews were less than human. All Italians were equal under the law, but all other countries were lesser.
Stalin was a communist, but he wanted to make the Soviet Union a world power. That's encouraging hierarchy. Was Stalin right wing, then?

Fascism doesn't fit perfectly on the right because, along with some right wing ideals, it also incorporates some left wing ideals. Now, if you want to use the same measuring stick to decide whether a system is right or left- fine. I'm just arguing that it's a bit muddy and not quite so clear-cut as you make it seem.
 
:lbf:

Nobody was more into equality than Stalin and the commies. They shot everybody equally.:lbf:
 
Back in Eskilstuna again with a heroes welcome.

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They still hold the record for the longest marriage in Hollywood, 60 years. Larry said in a swedish tv interview that the key to the success was having separate bathrooms. He never went to poor countries with mosquitos and he technically died on the operating table during a procedure and described "millions of levels of love".
That picture is not from Eskilstuna. It is taken at the Oktoberfest in Bavaria. The reason most pictures from their visits to Eskilstuna are gone is cause one local paper gave up, the socialist paper, and the only one still remaining had a major computer overhaul meaning the pictures are now in the physical archive.
 
Can Morrissey's Bad Press Survive His Musical Legacy?
That is the question. In a few years what will be talked about? That's really up to him.
 
Can Morrissey's Bad Press Survive His Musical Legacy?
That is the question. In a few years what will be talked about? That's really up to him.
As nostalgic as he is he won't care at all about his legacy when he is gone. You only enjoy a thing like that when it is on going and not when it is over or turned into repetition.

Moz has stated that he hates to travel cause of all the fuss at airports making him feel like an animal. The reason we are all treated like animals at airports was down to some extremist muslims.it

But people in general can see past that afraid as they are to voice their opinion. You cannot see any kind of benefits of moving people from one country to another in hindsight.

But it makes a lot of money for a lot of people not least taking people out of a non existant market and pushing them into the local Lidl in Sweden.
 

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