This is exactly—down to the referents (Bowie, Nomi, Manson)—what I've been trying to articulate about my feelings towards Gaga ever since she started climbing to the top of the charts. So very spot on. Thank you.Bowie did "cold" with great intelligence (and better than anyone); Klaus Nomi did "plastic" with real tenderness; Marilyn Mansion did alienated and f***ed up with a genuine edge. GaGa is late to the game, and she hasn't brought anything new with her. I wouldn't mind so much, except that she's a global superstar, emblematic of her time.
I thought the same about her before I decided to like her. She doesn't have the charismatic sparkle in her eyes like other "stars". Her music isn't sexual or sensual at all. It's mechanical and I feel much more akin to that than any romantic melodrama produced by her contemporaries, or Madonna, or Depeche Mode, or even Morrissey. I relate to GaGa personally second to Morrissey.I'm normally a fan of asexuality, but Gaga just makes it feel like an emotional flatline. The lady's got talent, she can sing and she can play, but there's something frigid about her.
I can't think of a writer more different from Lady Gaga than Rainer Maria Rilke.I thought the same about her before I decided to like her. She doesn't have the charismatic sparkle in her eyes like other "stars". Her music isn't sexual or sensual at all. It's mechanical and I feel much more akin to that than any romantic melodrama produced by her contemporaries, or Madonna, or Depeche Mode, or even Morrissey. I relate to GaGa personally second to Morrissey.
Her favorite philosopher is Rainer Maria Rilke and she identifies with his philosophical notion to solidarity and oneness. As you and I have noticed, no one can get really close to GaGa. The costumes, persona, everything is a meticulous, almost impenetrable armor. People do try to understand her, or more accurately dismantle and dissect her (which is only fitting since she is mechanical), but she undoubtedly has an emotional component too, and no one will ever understand that.
Well done Channel 4 News to give a credit to Linder.This was the nearest Gaga thread I could find - they've just had a lady on Channel 4 news drawing parallels between Gaga and Linder Sterling.
Anyway, I still maintain...that Gaga is a passing marketing fad, much like The Bay City Rollers, Bros, and countless other footnotes.
Probably her fascination with his writing is some that she can childishly aspire to, so she can have his quotes tattooed on her arm. And she has tattoo of one his quotes. It's a beautiful selection really.I can't think of a writer more different from Lady Gaga than Rainer Maria Rilke.
I know. It is lovely. It's from "Letters To A Young Poet".Probably her fascination with his writing is some that she can childishly aspire to, so she can have his quotes tattooed on her arm. And she has tattoo of one his quotes. It's a beautiful selection really.
Seriously that shit was ugly.I know. It is lovely. It's from "Letters To A Young Poet".
I don't know what to make of Gaga. If I had to decide today I'd want her burned at the stake (and not televised or photographed, just matches, sticks, stake, and kerosene, all in an abandoned warehouse, thanks). But I'm willing to wait five years to make a final call on her. She's either way ahead of us or way behind. Hard to tell right now. I would like her to give up meat-bikinis though.
Black Cloud, I noe! I wouldn't post in this thread except I have been listening to the radio lately. I bought an RCA console record player - radio from this guy and I use it at work. I set a bunch of stuff on top of it so now I can't change the station. I'm on this station that will play New Order and Depeche Mode followed by AC/DC. The other day it played that one about "working as a waitress in a cocktail bar." It's some kind of revisionist historian's version of "the 80's" I think, so it doesn't play Lady Gaga. The other day it played "Bad Medicine" by Bon Jovi and since I couldn't change the station I unplugged it.She doesn't register with me at all and it's impossible to form an opinion. She's something that other people talk about.
Not having cable and not listening to the radio really pays off sometimes.
I found myself agreeing with Paglia all thru this article. But then I worried that this was because I have gotten old. But, yeah, I think she is right on.
Oh, Paglia's been annoying people for decades. Age isn't improving her outlook very much, that's for sure.As a member of the generation she's describing—not a Gaga fan myself, but the peer of many—I see this as a vast oversimplification, both of Teens Today & of Gaga's potential appeal. You can't really fault her for failing to emote when emoting is furthest from her intent—or, at the very least, it seems in poor form to judge her in a category into which she hasn't placed herself.
I'm as frustrated with Gaga & her rocket-rise to stardom as anybody, but what I've read of Paglia's blustering gives a bad name to her detractors. Who knows—maybe the parts I can't read make up for it?
She sure ain't no Engel.I can't think of a writer more different from Lady Gaga than Rainer Maria Rilke.
Yes, that was what Paglia was getting at (but you sound a lot less cranky). Gaga signifies nothing, and she is a perfect avatar of her age and her medium. This is going where quite a few threads here have gone before: Gaga is a monocultural icon, and monoculture is a bland synthesis of everything innovative that came before.I think ultimately she IS vacuous because she is impossible to pin down. If i were to compare her with Morrissey, he succeeds by escaping determinate meaning in his 'persona' and the force of his lyrics by giving shape to a certain uncertainty about human interaction in modern life; and yet he exists in context - whether that be a romanticised mid-century working-class England or as a homeless flaneur...it is easy to say what he is, behind the subversion and misdirection in his art. GaGa on the hand is a blur...she appears to aspire to be an embodiment of 21st century glamour - an 'auto fact'...but she fails at this because she doesn't belong to any physical geography like, for example, Gilbert and George have sculpted themselves into London. She is virtual, available to all but meaningful to none because everything you can say about her, the opposite is also true. The mass of contradictions within Morrissey made him interesting because, bar perhaps Wilde, his cultural references were original within pop. Within GaGa, they are rehashes of previous concepts that were once forceful, controversial even, but In her hands become compressed, decontextualised and limp.
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