Morrissey Central "BORN SORRY" (August 19, 2020)

The text is dated 17 August.


"BORN SORRY
August 19, 2020



I thought perhaps I’d expressed enough defective needle gratitude for the flowers arriving at the house and adorning the gates and walls for my mother’s terrible, terrible death. I find I must say more - because they keep coming … from all over the world … Israel, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, Poland, Italy … communicating, in their way, a whole sense of truth, one that perhaps tells us that there is no reasonable explanation how love comes and goes.
The death of our mothers somehow tend to clear the ground for some form of reconstruction. Although technically past adolescence, this does not apply to me. See, the sea wants to take me, and let that be the boy’s traditional right, for we all have no interest in hanging around in order to be overtaxed, or to be repeatedly bashed about the head by the Idiot Culture that now rules England with an iron rod.
Had my mother been the mother of some politely antiseptic Hell-given pop star, her passing would be known to all and she would light up the New York Film Festival of 2020. But, no.

However, Love is all that matters, and those who resist it are the losers.

Morrissey
17 August 2020"

 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
And you know it is more important for him to spend weeks alone how?

I can assure you he likes company and has a social life that he organises. This idea that he sits for weeks in his room is old school and not reality.

You are generalising big time if you are seriously saying creative people are introvert. It simply is not a general rule and a lot of introverts would never seek out a career that involves being around people and certainly not stand on a stage in front of 1000s night after night after night.

An introvert would dread spending months on stage in front of 1000s of people and having to be social night in night out.

Many extroverts are very creative and many famous artists have been or are full on extroverts. You can not generalise like that.

You are trying to mould the model around the man and it isnt real.

 
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It is really scary that Morrissey could not have flowers sent to his mom's real house in Calabasas because of stalkers instead of a house a half a world away in a foreign country England. I dont think he really cares, but he has to appease his fans. Do you know that Morrissey was born in L.A. and was a basketball star at Hollywood High? His parents were immigrants from Ireland that settled in L.A. and ran Morrissey's Catholic Books and Gifts on Whittier Blvd.until 3 months ago. Where are you people from? This board is like a Dungeons and Dragons Lord of the Rings fantasy website.
 
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“They don’t seek out special attention or social engagements”

Well Morrissey fails on that completely.

He has an active social life that he instigates and I am pretty sure I don’t need to say much about the special attention bit surely.

I know about the text book definition. What we disagree on is what the reality is. You judge your evidence not on reality but on what you have read. I base mine on reality and actual experience.

And I have already discussed this. There are really 4 major characteristics of an introvert and one key one is restraint and introverts suffer from restraint to the point of obsession. They are not people who post impulsively and frequently on web sites. They are too cautious about everything they say and fear bad reactions to what they say that will prevent them from saying anything and this is often mistaken with shyness. Shyness is not the same thing.
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
“They don’t seek out special attention or social engagements”

Well Morrissey fails on that completely.

He has an active social life that he instigates and I am pretty sure I don’t need to say much about the special attention bit surely.

I know about the text book definition. What we disagree on is what the reality is. You judge your evidence not on reality but on what you have read. I base mine on reality and actual experience.

And I have already discussed this. There are really 4 major characteristics of an introvert and one key one is restraint and introverts suffer from restraint to the point of obsession. They are not people who post impulsively and frequently on web sites. They are too cautious about everything they say and fear bad reactions to what they say that will prevent them from saying anything and this is often mistaken with shyness. Shyness is not the same thing.

It might have helped if you actually read the link.

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To the truly depraved and warped individuals who take the time to post on a Morrissey fan site criticizing a response he posted whilst grieving the death of his Mother? You’re a complete and utter Loser who is getting off on the inflamed reactions of others. I’m not a fan of everything Morrissey says and does but he’s not “Pope” Morrissey he’s a singer who is famous for Singing not being a moral or spiritual compass. For anyone to look to celebrities whether they be singers, artists, actors etc. for any type of wisdom or guidance is laughable. We are all fallible human beings. The cancel culture and stamping of feet because you don’t like what someone has said is utter nonsense. Why not go out get famous for something - anything and then you too can spout your fallible ideas and be called out for it, made to grovel and “apologize” for what? What lesson was learned? Twitter is the perfect example of this a famous person posts something offensive - after someone points out to them whatever it was that was offensive- they then post a cringeworthy groveling “apology” how they promise to now be more “woke” End of Cycle until they do it again and again- wash rinse repeat......
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It might have helped if you actually read the link.

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Oh I did read the link and I can assure you I don't need it repeated in BIG thanks.

That above says nothing. It just says people can have traits of both which is fine and I don't and haven't ever disputed that.

Remember this discussion started when you stated that I was tripping if I considered Moz to be extrovert so maybe you need to have read this definition before saying that because you were implying he was definitely an introvert without extrovert traits.

From experience of socialising with him, speaking with him and meeting him many times I have never found him to be an introvert. Yes he may well have some introvert characteristics as we all do but for the most part form experience I find him to be more on the extrovert side than the introvert.

Again, this image of him sitting alone for weeks in his room is not reality. It may well have been when he was a teenager as is the case with a lot of teenagers but as the definition you posted also states people very often change from one side to another or from one gradient of each to the other throughout their lives. I won't post that for you in BIG.

He hasn't been that sit in his room not being social, reading Oscar Wilde for a long long long long time.

Some could argue that this move to the other side affected his lyrical quality. I wouldn't be so bold on that but it has been said. Although I believe he was quite extrovert when living in LA and where his social life was active and he still wrote good lyrics then so this is probably not relevant although I believe many of the lyrics from songs were often written years before they saw the light of day so who knows. Speculation.
 
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To the truly depraved and warped individuals who take the time to post on a Morrissey fan site criticizing a response he posted whilst grieving the death of his Mother? You’re a complete and utter Loser who is getting off on the inflamed reactions of others. I’m not a fan of everything Morrissey says and does but he’s not “Pope” Morrissey he’s a singer who is famous for Singing not being a moral or spiritual compass. For anyone to look to celebrities whether they be singers, artists, actors etc. for any type of wisdom or guidance is laughable. We are all fallible human beings. The cancel culture and stamping of feet because you don’t like what someone has said is utter nonsense. Why not go out get famous for something - anything and then you too can spout your fallible ideas and be called out for it, made to grovel and “apologize” for what? What lesson was learned? Twitter is the perfect example of this a famous person posts something offensive - after someone points out to them whatever it was that was offensive- they then post a cringeworthy groveling “apology” how they promise to now be more “woke” End of Cycle until they do it again and again- wash rinse repeat......

Don't be stupid.

It's a Morrissey fan site that Morrissey hates. He's not here anymore.

Depraved and warped. What to be posting on a discussion forum? Democracy allows people to discuss and debate thank god. Careful when you dismount your high horse. Morrissey has said far worse things about people over the years. Where were those fanatics when he was being offensive about people?

The only person who gets off on the reactions of others is Morrissey and obviously you. Without these reactions Morrissey would not thrive. He thrives on the reaction and the attention. It is his modus operandi: People react against his posts, then people come in their droves to idolise and adore him. That is what he wants and needs. Without the bad reactions, the adoration wouldnt flow as much and then he doesn't get what he needs. A world without him being criticised in the press or wherever is not a world that Morrissey would thrive in. What would he do when no one is against him and everyone loves him? Who would he express his dislike of anymore? What F*** t shirts could he make?

As for the Pope Morrissey point well I think if you know your stuff he has attempted to be far more than a singer for a long long time. He has posted lengthy opinions for many years on and off stage that have nothing to do with just being a singer as you say. Maybe if he had just stuck to the job instead of posting ill thought out opinion he may well still have a successful career and you wouldnt see all these pages of commentary on his words.

I am pretty sure he would not like your comment suggesting that is is laughable for anyone to go to singers or artists for wisdom or guidance. That is a point he would be totally against. It is the singer that doesn't have an opinion or any wisdom that he has attacked throughout his career:

"it's just more lock-jawed pop-stars
Thicker than pig-shit
Nothing to convey
So scared to show intelligence"

As has been said before. If you don't want to get dirty don't play the game.

People commentating on a post on a discussion forum has nothing to do with cancel culture. Nobody is cancelling anything here. It is a discussion forum. If you don't like the discussion don't read it and don't add to it as you have done. People commenting on discussion forums has been around since the internet began and before that it happened in editorial columns and letter pages in newspapers. It isn't new and using the buzz word of the month , Cancel Culture, to describe everything someone posts that you don't agree with is the new thing that is "utter nonsense", as you say.

Indeed we are all fallible human beings so what is the problem? Are we not therefore all worthy of taking and giving criticism. The beauty of democratic debate. Thank god we still have that at least and we aren't being arrested and thrown in prison as is happening in other parts of the world for merely posting on the internet. We are truly fortunate that we can express opinion and views without fear but the other side of that expression is that it is also fortunate that people can dislike posts and react with their criticism. Truly fortunate.

As for going out and getting famous. I am pretty famous and successful in my field but are you saying that people are not allowed to discuss someone if they are famous and a celebrity. This goes back to the previous point. People are free to express and debate. The thing a lot of people haven't grasped is that it is flawed to just criticise the process and mechanism of debate. If you don't like it don't read it and don't comment on it. You have that free choice but trying to stop people discussing and expressing their view is hardly democratic and lies more with the cancel culture you have incorrectly referred to.

I am pretty sure no one in this debate has accused Morrissey of being offensive so I am not sure why your point about Twitter apologising is relevant to the point you have been trying to make. Maybe you are just trying to grab as many non relevant anti cancel culture traits and shove them into your post as though it backs anything up. What forum have you be reading to pollute your ideas with such things. People like to try to stop debate by stating anyone who debates points that they disagree with is trying to cancel something or is part of some new culture of silencing something but in reality it is just life long democratic debate and to object to that debate and call people depraved and warped for debating is nearer to the silencing and canceling point you have tried to use to object to this debate.
 

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Don't be stupid.

It's a Morrissey fan site that Morrissey hates. He's not here anymore.

Depraved and warped. What to be posting on a discussion forum? Democracy allows people to discuss and debate thank god. Careful when you dismount your high horse. Morrissey has said far worse things about people over the years. Where were those fanatics when he was being offensive about people?

The only person who gets off on the reactions of others is Morrissey and obviously you. Without these reactions Morrissey would not thrive. He thrives on the reaction and the attention. It is his modus operandi: People react against his posts, then people come in their droves to idolise and adore him. That is what he wants and needs. Without the bad reactions, the adoration wouldnt flow as much and then he doesn't get what he needs. A world without him being criticised in the press or wherever is not a world that Morrissey would thrive in. What would he do when no one is against him and everyone loves him? Who would he express his dislike of anymore? What F*** t shirts could he make?

As for the Pope Morrissey point well I think if you know your stuff he has attempted to be far more than a singer for a long long time. He has posted lengthy opinions for many years on and off stage that have nothing to do with just being a singer as you say. Maybe if he had just stuck to the job instead of posting ill thought out opinion he may well still have a successful career and you wouldnt see all these pages of commentary on his words.

I am pretty sure he would not like your comment suggesting that is is laughable for anyone to go to singers or artists for wisdom or guidance. That is a point he would be totally against. It is the singer that doesn't have an opinion or any wisdom that he has attacked throughout his career:

"it's just more lock-jawed pop-stars
Thicker than pig-shit
Nothing to convey
So scared to show intelligence"

As has been said before. If you don't want to get dirty don't play the game.

People commentating on a post on a discussion forum has nothing to do with cancel culture. Nobody is cancelling anything here. It is a discussion forum. If you don't like the discussion don't read it and don't add to it as you have done. People commenting on discussion forums has been around since the internet began and before that it happened in editorial columns and letter pages in newspapers. It isn't new and using the buzz word of the month , Cancel Culture, to describe everything someone posts that you don't agree with is the new thing that is "utter nonsense", as you say.

Indeed we are all fallible human beings so what is the problem? Are we not therefore all worthy of taking and giving criticism. The beauty of democratic debate. Thank god we still have that at least and we aren't being arrested and thrown in prison as is happening in other parts of the world for merely posting on the internet. We are truly fortunate that we can express opinion and views without fear but the other side of that expression is that it is also fortunate that people can dislike posts and react with their criticism. Truly fortunate.

As for going out and getting famous. I am pretty famous and successful in my field but are you saying that people are not allowed to discuss someone if they are famous and a celebrity. This goes back to the previous point. People are free to express and debate. The thing a lot of people haven't grasped is that it is flawed to just criticise the process and mechanism of debate. If you don't like it don't read it and don't comment on it. You have that free choice but trying to stop people discussing and expressing their view is hardly democratic and lies more with the cancel culture you have incorrectly referred to.

I am pretty sure no one in this debate has accused Morrissey of being offensive so I am not sure why your point about Twitter apologising is relevant to the point you have been trying to make. Maybe you are just trying to grab as many non relevant anti cancel culture traits and shove them into your post as though it backs anything up. What forum have you be reading to pollute your ideas with such things. People like to try to stop debate by stating anyone who debates points that they disagree with is trying to cancel something or is part of some new culture of silencing something but in reality it is just life long democratic debate and to object to that debate and call people depraved and warped for debating is nearer to the silencing and canceling point you have tried to use to object to this debate.

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Events have conspired to keep me far away from this forum of late - and probably will do for some time longer.

Not finding words easy ...

But my heart and prayer goes out to Morrissey and for the repose of the soul of his beloved mother in this shocking horror.

And I am grateful to see all the posts from those here who love and care for him.

God bless Morrissey, his mother and all who truly love and care for them both.
 

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