Morrissey Central "Bonfire of teenagers" (February 7, 2024)

Bonfire of teenagers

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Wouldn’t it be nice to wake up tomorrow and see a headline on Central that says:

- - - - - - - - - -

BONFIRE RELIT & WITHOUT ME EVERYONE DIES

BOT - 04.22.24

WMTWD - 05.22.24 (TO FEATURE ADDITIONAL TWO TRACKS)

NEW BAND LINEUP: Alain Whyte, Boz Boorer, Gary Day, Famouswhendead, Morrissey

NEW TOUR MANAGER DETAILS TO FOLLOW. BYE JESSE!


I can dream.
I think 'Relight My Bonfire' would be a better title, with Miley's vocals replaced by Robbie Williams and Lulu. :thumb:
 
Besides the shIt graphic design, this is a silly post in so many ways.
Rather than entertaining the fantasy of an evil female obstacle being the only thing in the way of an album not being released, how about facing reality?

Shouldn't the immature Master of Central focus on not drowning while playing basket-ball in L.A. anyway?

Cos that's happening, unlike his Uncle's career.
 
Rather than entertaining the fantasy of an evil female obstacle being the only thing in the way of an album not being released, how about facing reality?

This is an interesting take and reminds me of an article I read recently which highlighted how big the music of The Smiths has become within incel communities. Something I wasn't aware of.
 
This is an interesting take and reminds me of an article I read recently which highlighted how big the music of The Smiths has become within incel communities. Something I wasn't aware of.
Me neither.
I'm a doggincel myself but I don't really blame anybody for it (or my albums not being released.)(I got loads)
I'm not surprised. The pity party feel to some songs, the misoginy as well, there is a dark shameful side in those lyrics. I always focused more on the musical aspect but I guess some people focus on something else.
I find it surprising that that tendency is still here in M. I would have thought that a glamorous life would have made it easier for him to fight it (as opposed to your ruminating average frustrated creepo.) If a millionaire can'r resist his low urges,what chance do the poor buggers have?
 
Me neither.
I'm a doggincel myself but I don't really blame anybody for it (or my albums not being released.)(I got loads)
I'm not surprised. The pity party feel to some songs, the misoginy as well, there is a dark shameful side in those lyrics. I always focused more on the musical aspect but I guess some people focus on something else.
I find it surprising that that tendency is still here in M. I would have thought that a glamorous life would have made it easier for him to fight it (as opposed to your ruminating average frustrated creepo.) If a millionaire can'r resist his low urges,what chance do the poor buggers have?


It's a difficult one isn't it. I mean lyrics can be read by anyone to mean anything, and therefore attributed to one thing or another. None of us know exactly what he thinks, feels, or intends by anything, and he's obviously thrived on that ambiguity (much like other artists like Dylan)

Many of his friends are and have been female (but that defence could be dismissed in the same way as that old well known saying, 'I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black')

We can only go off our interpretations of things, but there will always be red herrings because he will often intentionally lead people down the garden path just for the sake of his own entertainment - I see it as the mischievous Machiavellian tendencies in him.
 
This is an interesting take and reminds me of an article I read recently which highlighted how big the music of The Smiths has become within incel communities. Something I wasn't aware of.

I Googled "the smiths+incels"—was it this Vanity Fair article? It has a link to a thread on this forum. It's a couple months old. Has it been posted in the "Strange/unexpected" thread or the Trump thread?

A pretty nasty piece. "Morrissey and the Smiths were brilliant at giving voice to resentment and self-pity, but lacked the ability to extend that pity outward to others." James S. Murphy must've not heard Meat is Murder.
 
I Googled "the smiths+incels"—was it this Vanity Fair article? It has a link to a thread on this forum. It's a couple months old. Has it been posted in the "Strange/unexpected" thread or the Trump thread?

A pretty nasty piece. "Morrissey and the Smiths were brilliant at giving voice to resentment and self-pity, but lacked the ability to extend that pity outward to others." James S. Murphy must've not heard Meat is Murder.

Yes, that's the one. I only stumbled across it because I often search for any articles which mention Morrissey or The Smiths.

I also winced at the line you mentioned - it's very easy to paint The Smiths and Morrissey into a corner. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore is just one example of numerous courageous and compassionate songs.

I think what people sometimes struggle with is the victim syndrome, which has been a continuous thread.

On the one hand, that's just looking at things in a very surface way. But through time, Morrissey has (for good or bad) made it his trademark to withdraw and wallow, to blame and lash out, to deride and seek revenge, and to avoid personal responsibility and/or accountability.

Morrissey himself once wrote:

It's so easy to laugh, it's so easy to hate
It takes guts to be gentle and kind


But paradoxically, his modus operandi towards many has not involved kindness. Then again, we're only human and we often make rash knee-jerk decisions in the moment (which are only natural, immediate responses to some form of trauma, hurt or rejection we feel we have experienced, and must be avenged)

I'm open minded and usually give him the benefit of the doubt, but he does like to make it difficult sometimes. To be honest, most of the time I just want to look after him because I feel the pain of his vulnerabilities.
 
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I Googled "the smiths+incels"—was it this Vanity Fair article? It has a link to a thread on this forum. It's a couple months old. Has it been posted in the "Strange/unexpected" thread or the Trump thread?

A pretty nasty piece. "Morrissey and the Smiths were brilliant at giving voice to resentment and self-pity, but lacked the ability to extend that pity outward to others." James S. Murphy must've not heard Meat is Murder.
At the end of the Trump thread:
Post in thread 'The Smiths added to Trump rally music (January 23, 2024)' https://www.morrissey-solo.com/thre...-music-january-23-2024.151936/post-1987572879
FWD.
 
I'm not surprised. The pity party feel to some songs, the misoginy as well, there is a dark shameful side in those lyrics.
Although Morrissey spoke often of being influenced by feminist writers, there is a strong vein of mysogeny running throughout his work, from the likes of 'Pretty Girls Make Graves' and 'William It Was Really Nothing', through to 'Kick the Bride Down the Aisle' and the frequently hideous woman-bashing in 'List of the Lost'.

I'm sure the intention was celebrate a rejection of hetero-normalicy and the embracing of a different sort of male attitude and attraction (whether you call that gay or 'humasexual')for but the results often smack of a disgust towards women, and I can't certainly seem how many songs in the canon have been claimed by the incel community.
 
Although Morrissey spoke often of being influenced by feminist writers, there is a strong vein of mysogeny running throughout his work, from the likes of 'Pretty Girls Make Graves' and 'William It Was Really Nothing', through to 'Kick the Bride Down the Aisle' and the frequently hideous woman-bashing in 'List of the Lost'.

I'm sure the intention was celebrate a rejection of hetero-normalicy and the embracing of a different sort of male attitude and attraction (whether you call that gay or 'humasexual')for but the results often smack of a disgust towards women, and I can't certainly seem how many songs in the canon have been claimed by the incel community.

He's too gay* & self-deprecating for the incel community. When his reputation tanked some pundits hit on his reputation for celibacy as an explantion - that's as far as it goes.

*I mean his work.
 
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He's too gay* & self-deprecating for the incel community. When his reputation tanked some pundits hit on his reputation for celibacy as an explantion - that's as far as it goes.

*I mean his work.
An explantion? Sounds painful.
 
None of us know exactly what he thinks, feels, or intends by anything

He will often intentionally lead people down the garden path just for the sake of his own entertainment - I see it as the mischievous Machiavellian tendencies in him.
That's true, but the thing is, he'd have to be all-knowing and never have any emotions or doubts, all his intelligence and strength being used to fool or control, to keep that up all the time.

What if he was actually as confused as the next ageing dude close to retirement?

I mean no job, no kids, no plan to save the world, not even a canary, sure he must live in some kind of heaven, but from the outside it almost looks like life beat him at his own game.

HA.
 
That's true, but the thing is, he'd have to be all-knowing and never have any emotions or doubts, all his intelligence and strength being used to fool or control, to keep that up all the time.

What if he was actually as confused as the next ageing dude close to retirement?

I mean no job, no kids, no plan to save the world, not even a canary, sure he must live in some kind of heaven, but from the outside it almost looks like life beat him at his own game.

HA.

It's his doubts & confusions that make him a great artist. He writes mixed emotions & sings them with purity & passion.
 
Yes, that's the one. I only stumbled across it because I often search for

But paradoxically, his modus operandi towards many has not involved kindness. Then again, we're only human and we often make rash knee-jerk decisions in the moment (which are only natural, immediate responses to some form of trauma, hurt or rejection we feel we have experienced, and must be avenged)

I'm open minded and usually give him the benefit of the doubt, but he does like to make it difficult sometimes. To be honest, most of the time I just want to look after him because I feel the pain of his vulnerabilities.
Well I'm sure nobody is interested in our psychobabbling opinions, but I don't buy the trauma thing. There's a thing called resilience, and trauma isn't a valid excuse to be an arsehole in my book.
Neither is being educated by narcisdists. There are other role models to get inspiration from through life.
Although Morrissey spoke often of being influenced by feminist writers, there is a strong vein of mysogeny running throughout his work, from the likes of 'Pretty Girls Make Graves' and 'William It Was Really Nothing', through to 'Kick the Bride Down the Aisle' and the frequently hideous woman-bashing in 'List of the Lost'.

I'm sure the intention was celebrate a rejection of hetero-normalicy and the embracing of a different sort of male attitude and attraction (whether you call that gay or 'humasexual')for but the results often smack of a disgust towards women, and I can't certainly seem how many songs in the canon have been claimed by the incel community.
The thing I can"t comprehend is how you can (alledgedly) love your mum so much and talk about women that way. It's not even a proper ghey thing is it. It's like he can't make the connection. Maybe his mum was in fact a lorry driver called Tyler. Only St Mary knows ( and won't tell -I asked.-)

Looks like there's a mysterious missing link between dykes and Diana Dors. (well that must be Linder then).
 
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