Morrissey Central Black Pigeon Speaks - Contrarian Morrissey & Why Modern Music Sucks

Update: July 27, 2022.
Now a Central post:
"A View."

A View. - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - A View.

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[MILKISMURDER]

A lot of times people will be accused of being racist for being critical of Islam, as Bardot certainly is. I think she was said to be opposed to interracial coupling merely because she used the word "bastards" in reference to the children of unions between Gauls and Africans. Nobody appreciates rhetoric anymore.

But even if it turned out that she was a racial purist who believed there should be strictly-enforced laws prohibiting all sexual liasons between whites and non-whites, that does not seem like anywhere near an objectively worse law than the current laws which permit the rape, suffering, and slaughtering of billions of sentient beings. People enduring a romantic hardship ("the law says I can't be with Jean-Pierre") is negligible compared to what happens on factory farms. That's the whole problem with the sanctimony coming from the left. They strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. So Bardot's animal rights activism, like Morrissey's, covers a multitude of sins.

Well said, all of Morrissey’s woes boil down to speciesism. As a vegan he is less than 1% of the world’s population and by an anti-speciesist grade that would make all the non-vegan artists worthy of the vitriol he instead receives.

As it stands though human supremacist criteria reigns and wrong think and wrong speak supplant our deeds and the actual suffering we directly cause.

 

[Anonymous]

Did he ever call himself a feminist recently?
I can’t remember, if you have a link to an interview ? that would be great. Or are you saying it’s others that you think wrongly label him one?




I agree. I don’t believe Morrissey has ever defined publicly what it means to be Catholic for himself, lots of people take different aspects of it depending on their own set of prior beliefs, be it political, etc.

btw the Kiss me a Lot video was was a bit bewildering and disappointing, to say the least. I’m thinking that may be his point.

To be honest, I'm not sure if he has directly labeled himself a feminist or if his fans and publications have labeled him a feminist. Sorry, I don't typically save his Interviews( I know some treat them like the holy grail) yes, no offense intended, being sarcastic comes natural to me I was rereading an interview recently where he was comparing himself to Andy Williams....which I did find rather amusing. He does love his crooners; Al Martino, Frank Sinatra, Andy Williams, I assume Dean Martin?? I do remember seeing a backdrop. I've never seen either Sammy Davis Jr., Harry Belafonte, which I can't understand given their enormous talent. And interestingly enough Johnny Mathis is never included--who is supposedly gay. Would add to his lgbt references.
Unless he just doesn't happen to care for their music.
And no, I'm not honestly being a troll accusing him of racism. I'm just curious is all.

 Morrissey often has labels slapped on him that he takes issue with and rejects; Whether it be his sexual orientation or if he's specifically a vegetarian or vegan. I have plenty of thoughts on Morrissey because I find him to be such an endless paradox. Just as my posting two days was trying to convey, but honestly in hindsight I couldve articulated and juxtaposed it more precisely.

 

[gashonthenail]

To be honest, I'm not sure if he has directly labeled himself a feminist or if his fans and publications have labeled him a feminist. Sorry, I don't typically save his Interviews( I know some treat them like the holy grail) yes, no offense intended, being sarcastic comes natural to me I was rereading an interview recently where he was comparing himself to Andy Williams....which I did find rather amusing. He does love his crooners; Al Martino, Frank Sinatra, Andy Williams, I assume Dean Martin?? I do remember seeing a backdrop. I've never seen either Sammy Davis Jr., Harry Belafonte, which I can't understand given their enormous talent. And interestingly enough Johnny Mathis is never included--who is supposedly gay. Would add to his lgbt references.
Unless he just doesn't happen to care for their music.
And no, I'm not honestly being a troll accusing him of racism. I'm just curious is all.

 Morrissey often has labels slapped on him that he takes issue with and rejects; Whether it be his sexual orientation or if he's specifically a vegetarian or vegan. I have plenty of thoughts on Morrissey because I find him to be such an endless paradox. Just as my posting two days was trying to convey, but honestly in hindsight I couldve articulated and juxtaposed it more precisely.

In the South Bank Show documentary he does talk about reading 'a lot of feminist writers'.

'They seemed to have the key on very modern situations as far as relationships were concerned...'

From about 3 minutes 50 in on this clip:

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

To be honest, I'm not sure if he has directly labeled himself a feminist or if his fans and publications have labeled him a feminist. Sorry, I don't typically save his Interviews( I know some treat them like the holy grail) yes, no offense intended, being sarcastic comes natural to me

Why would I take offense? Lol.
Anyway, I didn’t accuse you of or assume that you did save every interview. Though you know enough about him and pay enough attention to him that you shouldn’t think yourself any better than or above Morrissey fanatics, since you are just as obsessed.

Anyway, You were just criticizing those that call him a feminist. So if that’s the case, then that really isn’t his fault. People label and accuse him of things, that doesn’t mean that they are correct.

I was rereading an interview recently where he was comparing himself to Andy Williams....which I did find rather amusing. He does love his crooners; Al Martino, Frank Sinatra, Andy Williams, I assume Dean Martin?? I do remember seeing a backdrop. I've never seen either Sammy Davis Jr., Harry Belafonte, which I can't understand given their enormous talent. And interestingly enough Johnny Mathis is never included--who is supposedly gay. Would add to his lgbt references.
Unless he just doesn't happen to care for their music.
And no, I'm not honestly being a troll accusing him of racism. I'm just curious is all.

 Morrissey often has labels slapped on him that he takes issue with and rejects; Whether it be his sexual orientation or if he's specifically a vegetarian or vegan. I have plenty of thoughts on Morrissey because I find him to be such an endless paradox. Just as my posting two days was trying to convey, but honestly in hindsight I couldve articulated and juxtaposed it more precisely.

 

[Anonymous]

Why would I take offense? Lol.
Anyway, I didn’t accuse you of or assume that you did save every interview. Though you know enough about him and pay enough attention to him that you shouldn’t think yourself any better than or above Morrissey fanatics, since you are just as obsessed.

Anyway, You were just criticizing those that call him a feminist. So if that’s the case, then that really isn’t his fault. People label and accuse him of things, that doesn’t mean that they are correct.

Oh, we were getting along...
What you don't know about me is that I have almost an encyclopedia of useless knowledge of lots of people and not just Morrissey (its called having OCD) I consider having knowledge on historical figures as being of more importance than the man who wrote some songs that I might enjoy. Meaning, I don't idolize him by any stretch of the imagination. I use to possibly admire him. He's one of those people I was kind of referring to, that I might not like them as people-- like Marlon Brando.

 

[gashonthenail]

I was asking the anon if Morrissey has recently labeled or described himself as a feminist. Most know what his interests are, more or less.

No, he has never used that word about himself and I don't think he ever would. There is a debate in feminism about whether men can call themselves a feminist or not. The sort of feminist writers Moz would have been reading back in the 1970s and 80s would definitely have said no. Moz may not be a man (according to the song), but he is certainly not a woman...

 

[Anonymous]

No, he has never used that word about himself and I don't think he ever would. There is a debate in feminism about whether men can call themselves a feminist or not. The sort of feminist writers Moz would have been reading back in the 1970s and 80s would definitely have said no. Moz may not be a man (according to the song), but he is certainly not a woman...

I don't know if I interpret that song as him declaring himself as not being a man. My interpretation is a rejection of unpleasant male stereotypes more or less. That's the impression I get anyway. Morrissey has always been big on thought provoking song titles that direct your attention.

 

[gashonthenail]

I don't know if I interpret that song as him declaring himself as not being a man. My interpretation is a rejection of unpleasant male stereotypes more or less. That's the impression I get anyway. Morrissey has always been big on thought provoking song titles that direct your attention.

Yes, tongue was in cheek. The song is meant to be taken metaphorically, no doubt, not literally.

 

[Malarkey]

Yes, tongue was in cheek. The song is meant to be taken metaphorically, no doubt, not literally.

He did say that he felt closer to transsexuality than anything else.

And Pete Burns used to say Morrissey wanted the full op.

I think he would have done it by now - but there's some gender dysphoria there.

 

[Malarkey]

On the bright side InfoWars seems to be screwed.

Pray it engulfs Paul Joseph Watson.

It would dent the whole alt-right ecosystem.

 

[gashonthenail]

He did say that he felt closer to transsexuality than anything else.

And Pete Burns used to say Morrissey wanted the full op.

I think he would have done it by now - but there's some gender dysphoria there.

Moz does seem a lot more happy in his skin these days. I think lots of people as they are growing up struggle to feel happy in their own body. Lots of people struggle with social expectations around sex and gender. Psychiatry has now given it a name - gender dysphoria. Psychiatry is a pseudo-science. And the gender dysphoria business is now very big business indeed. My advice to anyone growing up who is confused about their gender - don't let those men in white coats and Big Pharma anywhere near you or your body...

 

[Malarkey]

Moz does seem a lot more happy in his skin these days. I think lots of people as they are growing up struggle to feel happy in their own body. Lots of people struggle with social expectations around sex and gender. Psychiatry has now given it a name - gender dysphoria. Psychiatry is a pseudo-science. And the gender dysphoria business is now very big business indeed. My advice to anyone growing up who is confused about their gender - don't let those men in white coats and Big Pharma anywhere near you or your body...

It's not a pseudoscience - but it's not an exact science either. They give clusters of disruptive behaviour/feelings a name & try to control it. Which has a lot of scope for things to go wrong.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Oh, we were getting along...
What you don't know about me is that I have almost an encyclopedia of useless knowledge of lots of people and not just Morrissey (its called having OCD) I consider having knowledge on historical figures as being of more importance than the man who wrote some songs that I might enjoy. Meaning, I don't idolize him by any stretch of the imagination. I use to possibly admire him. He's one of those people I was kind of referring to, that I might not like them as people-- like Marlon Brando.

 

[marred]

Solid commentary. The still in the video regarding the Arena bomber not being approached by security as they were scared of being called racist is particularly telling and something not picked up on in the previous BoT discussions. A comment underneath expanded on that issue.

“I just want to be sure people here understand something;- the security at the Manchester Arena did nothing about a man wearing a backpack, sweating, behaving strangely and appearing suspicious because he looked like what he was - an Arab - and they were afraid of being accused of islamophobia and racism.

Let that sink in for a moment then know this;- For over forty years, British Police, local and national politicians, local and national government officers have ignored - turned a blind eye to - the rape and sexual enslavement of hundreds of thousands of white children by men of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and other Muslim countries origin because they are afraid of being accused of islamophobia and racism. If I put links to anything about this, my post will be removed. If you want just a hint of how this shit manifests in my country, C&P the following two things into a search engine.

Scottish Sun Police Scotland took down large-scale asylum seeker grooming gang in Glasgow – but kept it secret
Ringleader of Rochdale grooming gang WON'T be deported to Pakistan because of loophole that let him RENOUNCE citizenship of his native country just five days before key hearing.”

British police are a f***ing joke. They're too busy knocking on the doors of people posting memes and retweeting so called far right-isms. It's clear their pandering costs lives and the Manchester bombing is evidence of what happens when you sleep on the job while dreaming of a utopian paradise we all know is absolute bullshit. Keep it up woke f***s

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Moz does seem a lot more happy in his skin these days. I think lots of people as they are growing up struggle to feel happy in their own body. Lots of people struggle with social expectations around sex and gender. Psychiatry has now given it a name - gender dysphoria. Psychiatry is a pseudo-science. And the gender dysphoria business is now very big business indeed. My advice to anyone growing up who is confused about their gender - don't let those men in white coats and Big Pharma anywhere near you or your body...

i think if you asked people twenty years ago, before the trans insanity, most people would say they viewed themselves as a bit of both genders. that's normal. it doesnt mean you have gender dysphoria and that you're born in the wrong body.

 

[Js138]

If a far-right, women hating racist made a YouTube video praising you, would you be proud of it and post it online giving your approval of it?

The point a few people are trying to make is they simply posted a pro-Morrissey video that has many truths to it and it’s just that. They didn’t look the creator up, they didn’t do copious amounts of research into some dude named black pigeon. They won’t either, because the only people who seem to worry about who said what’s moral compass on everything from race to chef boyardee is the left.

 

[bhops]

Harvard? So it must be true then?
I've had a look at what you quote above:

Black Pigeon Speaks: The Anatomy of the Worldview of an Alt-Right YouTuber | Shorenstein Center

Disclaimer: This paper contains offensive content. “Alt-right” views quoted in this paper are not endorsed by the Shorenstein Center. A new paper by Zack Exley, Joan Shorenstein Fellow (spring 2017), organizer and author dives into a little-known part of the alt-right media landscape, revealing...

shorensteincenter.org

It is the view of one researcher. Hardly a peer-reviewed assessment of the guy.
It all looks fairly anodyne from what I can see. What he describes as 'anti-semitic' are comments about the Rothschilds and international banking. I think the same accusation was thrown at David Icke wasn't it? And Jeremy Corbyn?
To describe the guy as a Nazi is ridiculous.

Apparently to criticise George Soros is also anti semitic even though he’s on tape gleefully recounting his youth during the war where he helped the Nazis round up his fellow Jews, LOL

It’s such a tired played out trope

 

[bhops]

No, he has never used that word about himself and I don't think he ever would. There is a debate in feminism about whether men can call themselves a feminist or not. The sort of feminist writers Moz would have been reading back in the 1970s and 80s would definitely have said no. Moz may not be a man (according to the song), but he is certainly not a woman...

If I had to guess I’d say he’s a fan of second wave feminism but wants no part of the third wave stuff,

 

[Badge]

The point a few people are trying to make is they simply posted a pro-Morrissey video that has many truths to it and it’s just that. They didn’t look the creator up, they didn’t do copious amounts of research into some dude named black pigeon. They won’t either, because the only people who seem to worry about who said what’s moral compass on everything from race to chef boyardee is the left.

But when they found out who created the video, they still kept the video on their Central website. So, would you do that? Knowing who he was, would you keep the video of him praising you and, therefore, you showing your support for him?

 

[gashonthenail]

It's not a pseudoscience - but it's not an exact science either. They give clusters of disruptive behaviour/feelings a name & try to control it. Which has a lot of scope for things to go wrong.

Psychiatry likes to cloak itself in 'science' but look under the surface and it doesn't hold up. The original diagnosis - gender identity disorder - was created by DSM III in 1980. The diagnosis didn't exist before. That edition of the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders invented about 80 new disorders and a 'checklist' for each disorder to make them easier to diagnose. This resulted in millions of people being put on drugs and a huge expansion of Big Pharma. How were these new disorders invented? Usually by a committee of about 7 or 8 psychiatrists taking a vote with next to no scientific research to base their decisions on. The line, of course, is that gender dysphoria is a 'recognised medical condition'. Yep, recognised by a vote in a committee room.
I wonder how many of these young women being put on hormone disruptors and having double mastectomies are actually just lesbian tomboys. The evidence of adults growing up to regret radical surgery is becoming overwhelming. It's psychiatric child abuse, no other way to describe it, and building up to be one of the biggest medical scandals of the early 21st century.