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Well, I hope you put down one of those glasses and post here more regularly with your free hand^ Thnx. I even toasted myself for it (that's right, one glass in the right hand, and one in the left).
Well, I hope you put down one of those glasses and post here more regularly with your free hand^ Thnx. I even toasted myself for it (that's right, one glass in the right hand, and one in the left).
Put it better than I could. Spot on post.I think sexuality is variable thing. So many possibilities … a continuum if you like.
Some people settle for one thing because it’s right for them. Others change over time. For some it simply depends on the person they want to be with. Some like both men and women…
I don’t want to define myself as “n” because that limits my possibilities. It also perpetuates the idea in this society that you have to be one or the other. You don’t. Definitions are not important, people are. So long as you are happy with who you are that’s enough.
Hm, well, he didn't actually say he wasn't any of these things, he said he coudln't be contained by anything. He obviously dislikes labels. He did, however, use the word 'bisexual' to describe himself in his letters to his pen pal Robert Mackie, but that was ages ago, he might have changed his mind since. It might be closer than other labels (except 'asexual', but I don't think he still considers himself asexual), but he might feel that it is ultimately unsatisfying, or he might think it gives the wrong idea. Or he might not be entirely sure how to define himself, or he might really feel that it's impossible to define him. Based on his statements, bisexual/pansexual seems like the least wrong label, if you have to put a label on it.theres an interview from this year where they ask him if he's gay, staight or bi and he says none of them. Obviously he's not straight but he's said often he's not gay and I think if he was gay he'd just say that was his business instead of lying. Pansexual anyone?
Sorry, but what's the shock about?? (Not that I didn't anticipate this reaction...) I don't think that Morrissey is hetero, but I don't see why it would be so incredible that someone might think that? I don't see you being shocked and exclaiming "Surely no one seriously thinks Morrissey is gay!?" I'll tell you my opinion on this - however unlikely it is that Morrissey is straight, it's even more unlikely that he's gay. In fact, I can't possibly think of a scenario in which Morrissey would be gay, because in that case none of the things he said and did in public in the last 3 decades would make any sense at all. I could explain it in more detail if you like, but simply put, he definitely doesn't consider himself gay, and all of his behaviour and statements are the very opposite of what closet or suppressed homosexual would behave, so much that he would be on the top of my list of 'people who are least likely to be closet homosexuals'. This should be obvious to anyone who cares to give it a logical thought for a moment. Yet it is supposed to be perfectly reasonable to claim that he's gay, but not to claim that he's straight? Why? Just because it's a widespread belief among journalists who know virtually nothing about him? I'm not as brainwashed to believe that any idea that is widespread is true, especially when I look into it and see that it's based on no foundations.Surely no one seriously thinks Morrissey is hetero!?
This is what fascinates me most:
gay Morrissey fans think that he's gay
hetero M. fans.......................... hetero
bi M.fans................................. bi
asexual M. fans......................... asexual
And isn't it amazing that nobody seems to have any problem with Bowie so blatantly misrepresenting and manipulating his image? But no, everyone just thinks Bowie is cool. Whereas Morrissey is constantly criticized for supposedly not being sincere about his sexuality, being fake and manipulative, etc. What is that about? Is it that people just take Morrissey more seriously than other stars, or what?i don´t really understand why people even care so much about it. it is kind of silly. what i do find lame is someone like david bowie who claims to be gay while married just to cause a ´scandal´ and sell more records and then later say it was just a joke. how foolish. and how foolish that such ´scandals´ even boost record sales. f o o l i s h....
And isn't it amazing that nobody seems to have any problem with Bowie so blatantly misrepresenting and manipulating his image? But no, everyone just thinks Bowie is cool. Whereas Morrissey is constantly criticized for supposedly not being sincere about his sexuality, being fake and manipulative, etc. What is that about? Is it that people just take Morrissey more seriously than other stars, or what?
BTW... I've now remembered an old thread about Mark E.Smith. Someone, I think it was Jones, wondered why people don't hate and diss MES the way they hate and diss Morrissey for being difficult, arrogant, and so on, when MES is so difficult and unpleasant. Jones thought it was because of 'homophobia', because MES is definitely known to be straight. No, Jones, I don't think so, not in this case. There are lots of people who have no opinion at all on Morrissey's sexuality, or haven't thought about it, and people who don't think he's gay, but who hate him with a passion (actually, one guy who was spewing anger after Moz' concert at Exit in Serbia seemed especially to be annoyed by his popularity with women...). (Not to mention quite a few stars who are definitely gay, but who provoke no particular hatred, even when they act like jerks.) The reason for this hate is that MES is seen more like a grumpy bad-mannered sod (and ugly, too... that seems to endear him to many men), while Morrissey is usually seen as an arrogant bastard, as someone who thinks that they're more intelligent, intellectual, sophisticated, and generally superior to others. Even worse that that! - people feel that he really might be all that. And one thing people will never forgive you is being smarter and better than them!
That's why people are always trying to 'expose' him as something or other. Many people would just love to find out some sort of sordid sexual story about him, just to bring him down from his height. And I suppose most of them think that a homosexual story would be particulalry sordid (plus they could always say 'oh well, you know, we just diss him because *gasp* HE WON't COME OUT! that's all! it's not like we're prejudiced!" ) So you get all the detractors (like certain people on this forum I won't mention) who call him a 'queen' or try to diss him with stupid jokes about him being gay. I'm not even sure that many of them genuinely think that he's gay, but they want to believe it because, in their mind, it would say 'oh, you see, we knew all along that he wasn't a real man!', and 'see, he has his sordid secret, we knew he wasn't better than any of us!' ( But the best for them would be if they could prove that he shags underage rent boys or some nonsense like that - make it as sordid as possible!)
And you know... the funniest thing is that people keep complaining that Morrissey won't 'reveal' all about his sexuality and love life - when, in fact, nobody really wants him to reveal anything! That way, everyone can have their own theories and fantasies, and the situation is really perfect for everyone!
I don't think I've said anything contradictory. I don't think that those people hate him because they think he's gay. I think they hate him because he appears to be better than them - more intelligent, sophisticated, etc., someone people admire and adore; of course they won't tell you that, they'll tell you he's an arrogant bastard because he considers himself superior to others. The whole 'he's gay, ha ha, we know he's gay, why doesn't he admit he's gay' is a convenient way to deal with it. ('gay' becoming in this case a tag that means 'not real man [according to our standards]' rather than 'man who has sex with men rather than women'). Hypothetically - if they, say, knew for sure that he was straight, I bet they would only hate him more. (Wouldn't that be even more maddening?)You do realise you've gone from arguing that the dislike of Morrissey has nothing to do with homophobia, to arguing that it is everything to do with homophobia?
Of course. He can't open his mouth without saying something that will drive people nuts The newest outbreak of hate was after his comments on animal rights militia and his decision not to play Canada. Granted, his views on the issue of the use of violence for animal rights are extreme, and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he speaks his mind. I can imagine how angry it makes people who strongly disagree with his views: "that arrogant bastard, saying that meat is murder!...who does he think he is!" Someone who speaks out expressing unpopular views is always going to be hated by the multitude. When you define yourself as a vegetarian, or as a feminist, many people will think "who do you think you are? you think you are so much better than us?" Unlike Bowie, who is seen as a chameleon who will use anything to create an image - and people see it as juts great fun and so cool! - Morrissey is taken seriously, as someone who holds strong views and is outspoken. That's why there is so much adoration and so much hatred for him. Even among people who should not be ideologically oposed to his views - the NME writers in the early 90s just felt they've had enough of him and wanted to make him go away, so they started the whole 'racist' campaign, as the best way to destroy him!don´t people hate him for his views? i think many meat eaters hate him for meat is murder. meat eaters get very nasty sometimes when you tell them you´re vegetarian, even. and then all the patriots hate him for critizing the government and so on. bowie isn´t critical of anything so noone hates him. if it was about women falling for gayish men and machos not liking that then bowie, molko etc would be as hated as moz.
Of course. He can't open his mouth without saying something that will drive people nuts The newest outbreak of hate was after his comments on animal rights militia and his decision not to play Canada. Granted, his views on the issue of the use of violence for animal rights are extreme, and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he speaks his mind. I can imagine how angry it makes people who strongly disagree with his views: "that arrogant bastard, saying that meat is murder!...who does he think he is!" Someone who speaks out expressing unpopular views is always going to be hated by the multitude. When you define yourself as a vegetarian, or as a feminist, many people will think "who do you think you are? you think you are so much better than us?" Unlike Bowie, who is seen as a chameleon who will use anything to create an image - and people see it as juts great fun and so cool! - Morrissey is taken seriously, as someone who holds strong views and is outspoken. That's why there is so much adoration and so much hatred for him. Even among people who should not be ideologically oposed to his views - the NME writers in the early 90s just felt they've had enough of him and wanted to make him go away, so they started the whole 'racist' campaign, as the best way to destroy him!