Billy Bragg: long statement re: Morrissey on Facebook (7 July, 2019)


"Last Sunday, while much of the British media were lauding Stormzy’s Glastonbury headline show as epoch defining, Morrissey posted a white supremacist video on his website, accompanied by the comment ‘Nothing But Blue Skies for Stormzy...The Gallows for Morrissey’. The nine minute clip lifted footage from the grime star’s Pyramid Stage performance while arguing that the British establishment are using him to promote multiculturalism at the expense of white culture.

The YouTube channel of the video’s author contains other clips expressing , among other things, homophobia, racism and misogyny - left wing women of colour are a favourite target for his ire. There are also clips expounding the Great Replacement Theory, a far right conspiracy trope which holds that there is a plot of obliterate the white populations of Europe and North America through mass immigration and cultural warfare.

My first thought was to wonder what kind of websites Morrissey must be trawling in order to be able to find and repost this clip on the same day that it appeared online? I came home from Glastonbury expecting to see some angry responses to his endorsement of white supremacism. Instead, the NME published an interview with Brandon Flowers in which the Killers lead singer proclaimed that Morrissey was still “a king”, despite being in what Flowers recognised was “hot water” over his bigoted comments.

As the week progressed, I kept waiting for some reaction to the white supremacist video, yet none was forthcoming. Every time I googled Morrissey, up would pop another article from a music website echoing the NME’s original headline: ‘The Killers Brandon Flowers on Morrissey: ‘He’s Still A King’. I’m well aware from personal experience how easy it is for an artist to find something you’ve said in the context of a longer discourse turned into an inflammatory headline that doesn’t reflect your genuine views on the subject at hand, but I have to wonder if Flowers really understands the ramifications of Morrissey’s expressions of support for the far right For Britain Party?

As the writer of the powerful Killers song ‘Land of the Free’, does he know that For Britain wants to build the kind of barriers to immigration that Flowers condemns in that lyric?
Party leader Anne Marie Walters maintains ties with Generation Identity, the group who both inspired and received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque. How does that sit with the condemnation of mass murder by lone gunman in ‘Land of the Free’?

As an explicitly anti-Muslim party, For Britain opposes the religious slaughter of animals without the use of a stun gun, a policy that has given Morrissey a fig leaf of respectability, allowing him to claim he supports them on animal welfare grounds. Yet if that is his primary concern, why does he not support the UK’s Animal Welfare Party, which stood candidates in the recent European elections?

Among their policies, the AWF also aim to prohibit non-stun slaughter. If his only interest was to end this practice, he could have achieved this without the taint of Islamophobia by endorsing them. They are a tiny party, but Morrissey’s vocal support would have given the animal rights movement a huge boost of publicity ahead of the polls.

Instead, he expresses support for anti-Muslim provocateurs, posts white supremacist videos and, when challenged, clutches his pearls and cries “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me”. His recent claim that “as a so-called entertainer, I have no rights” is a ridiculous position made all the more troubling by the fact that it is a common trope among right-wing reactionaries.

The notion that certain individuals are not allowed to say certain things is spurious, not least because it is most often invoked after they’ve made their offensive comments. Look closely at their claims and you’ll find that what they are actually complaining about is the fact that they have been challenged.

The concept of freedom pushed by the new generation of free speech warriors maintains that the individual has the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, to whoever they want, with no comeback. If that is the definition of freedom, then one need look no further than Donald Trump’s Twitter feed as our generation’s beacon of liberty. Perhaps Lady Liberty should be replaced in New York Harbour with a colossal sculpture of the Donald, wearing a toga, holding a gaslight.

Worryingly, Morrissey’s reaction to being challenged over his support of For Britain, his willingness to double down rather than apologise for any offence caused, suggests a commitment to a bigotry that tarnishes his persona as the champion of the outsider. Where once he offered solace to the victims of a cruel and unjust world, he now seems to have joined the bullies waiting outside the school gates.

As an activist, I’m appalled by this transformation, but as a Smiths fan, I’m heartbroken.

It was Johnny Marr’s amazing guitar that drew me to the band, but I grasped that Morrissey was an exceptional lyricist when I heard ‘Reel Around the Fountain’. Ironically, it was a line that he had stolen that won my affections. “I dreamt about you last night and I fell out of bed twice” is spoken by Jimmy, the black sailor, to his white teenage lover, Jo, in Sheila Delaney’s play ‘A Taste of Honey’.

The 1961 movie, starring Rita Tushingham was an early example of a post-war British society that would embrace multi-racial relationships (and homosexuality too). By pilfering that particular line for the song, Morrissey was placing the Smiths in the great tradition of northern working class culture that may have been in the gutter, but was looking at the stars. Yet, by posting a white supremacist video in which he is quoted as saying “Everyone prefers their own race”, Morrissey undermines that line, erasing Jo and Jimmy and all those misfit lovers to whom the Smiths once gave so much encouragement.

A week has passed since the video appeared on Morrissey’s website and nothing has been written in the media to challenge his position. Today it was reported that research by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a UK based anti-extremist organisation, reveals that the Great Replacement Theory is being promoted so effectively by the far right that it is entering mainstream political discourse.

That Morrissey is helping to spread this idea - which inspired the Christchurch mosque murderer - is beyond doubt. Those who claim that this has no relevance to his stature as an artist should ask themselves if, by demanding that we separate the singer from the song, they too are helping to propagate this racist creed."


Regards,
FWD.

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Stephen Hofmann

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Mainly he was talking about a video from a racist website.
But did that escape your attention.

Making excuses like his 'friends and family do - Maker, Jesse, Sam etc Is klling Moz. He is now thought of as an Israeli shill. Like all shills Israel will watch him bleed dry and/ or freedom taken, while spreading their filth.

Steven used to be a free thinker.
There isn't on original though these days. He seems insane
He doesn't care about the UK or he would pay his taxes like Billy does.
Moz has fucked it. The USA fan base as also dwindling its not just a uk/European thing
A racist website? You mean youtube?:p
 

Carlisle baz

Active Member
I live in London. Every day I interact with people who are from every corner of the world, with every religious faith and no faith. Every one I meet I try my best to treat with courtesy and respect. I have no hatred for any one because of who they are or where they are from. But I also think that mass immigration is destroying Britain, and Europe too for that matter. I do not blame migrants. I blame those in power for whom mass immigration and dissolution of national borders is clearly part of a game plan. How those on the left can't see this astounds me.
Fair point, but it’s not just the left, tories are just as bad. They have lied about immigration saying that they intend to bring it down but it has gone up dramatically over the last decade
 
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Anonymous

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My name is Travis LeBlanc. That's not exactly a secret. I've written three articles about Morrissey under that name one of which made the front page.
I read it. All it tells me is that you’ve achieved a 1st year Uni grasp of your native language and that you’re a revisionist, racist cunt - who’s proud to write for Racist-Cunt Online.

One thing I do respect - despite the fact that you’re a reprehensible piece of shit - is that (unlike the other pussies who spout rubbish on here) you have the balls to own your fear and loathing. Good on you for that. We know where to find your sorry ass, when the time comes.

Congratulations. You’ve made the list. Enjoy all of the richness and accolades that spouting half-baked nonsense on a Nazi propaganda site brings to your life. ...and keep it up. Sooner than later, if you follow this path, there will be more than words as consequences, for the likes of you.

See you in the trenches, bitch.
 
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Anonymous

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Where once he offered solace to the victims of a cruel and unjust world, he now seems to have joined the bullies waiting outside the school gates.

What about the young white girls raped in towns all across England whilst the police and social services turned their backs and did absolutely nothing because the perpetrators were Muslim? The girls were victims weren't they? Billy and the left won't even discuss such events.

The bullies are the establishment that tell us we must all love mass immigration. The bullies are the media hounding Moz for refusing to tow the establishment line.
Dog whistler alert!
 

Mayfly

Well-Known Member
Well, I actually thought that this piece was well written and thought-provoking. You don't have to be a supporter of the left or in favour of open borders (= mass immigration) to just be worried by the rapid hardening of wotds, thoughts and positions in our society, or the increased acceptance of inflammatory hate speech.

I no longer pay attention to the contents posted on Morrissey-Central these days. As much as I loved Morrissey's many cultural references, or even his animal rights advocacy, his political views are very biased and don't speak to me. But I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that there is a politica's agenda behind the posts.

Of course, the same argument can be made about Billy Bragg's posts.

I wouldn't be so harsh on Brandon Flowers for saying that Morrissey is still king because he referred to Morrissey's talent for melody and singing, and it would be fair to assume that Brandon doesn't follow Morrissey's comments on Twitter.
 
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Anonymous

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Fair point, but it’s not just the left, tories are just as bad. They have lied about immigration saying that they intend to bring it down but it has gone up dramatically over the last decade
If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.
Brits sit on their ass, call people names, spew nonsense out of their uneducated mouths , and are too afraid to do anything about anything.
Not so in the USA..
 

The Truth

about Ruth
Billy Bragg makes some good points. Why not the Animal Welfare Party? Does Morrissey know they exist?
But this part...
"Party leader Anne Marie Walters maintains ties with Generation Identity, the group who both inspired and received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque. How does that sit with the condemnation of mass murder by lone gunman in ‘Land of the Free’?"

You should always be on the lookout for slippery language. What does "maintains ties with" mean?
Then we have to deal with who and what Generation Identity is. In the news it says that "members of Generation Identity attack Arab youth and give Nazi salutes."
Okay, their website is pretty clear. They want to strengthen borders, send immigrants home, preserve culture, and make it okay to be proud of your nation.
All of these things sound familiar.
The group themselves don't advocate violence on their site but they attract members who act violently. To be fair this could be said of any political party. There is definitely a "dog whistle" element to their message that is very loud.
And they do talk about "the coming events" which is a recurring theme with these sorts of groups. These coming events are not usually defined explicitly. "If you want to know how Europe can prepare itself for the coming events, if you want to talk about fears and the current situation without being stigmatized by the establishment, or if you wonder why European identity is forgotten by the ruling class, then the Identitarian Movement is just what you are looking for."

I think I have an idea who these people are and it's not surprising that Waters would "maintain ties" with them. They seem to have the same agenda.

But it's a game of connect the dots. There is a really weak link and that is the part about how they "received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque." They seem to be the type of organization that this gunman would give funds to. But unless they gave funds to him his actions can't really be tied to them.

So in going Morrissey - Waters - Generation Identity - Christchurch gunman, Billy Bragg is making something of a stretch. It's too bad that Morrissey himself made the comment about how the Breivik massacre was no worse than what goes on at KFC. Has he had anything to say about the Christchurch shootings?

It's Morrissey's own fault he is in this mess and I agree with almost everything that Billy Bragg is saying but sometimes people sacrifice logic to tie in some point they want to make because of its emotional value and I think this is one of those cases. It sounds like Morrissey would have no problem with Generation Identity but that part really should have been left out.
I just like to look at the way people make their arguments. I am not defending Morrissey at all when I say this is a stretch. Billy Bragg is a lot more convincing than @Uncleskinny but he is a little too ambitious here and the weak link is what can be used against him. "He's trying to say Morrissey was in favor of the Christchurch shootings! Ridiculous!"
If Morrissey is even aware of those shootings he probably doesn't care. Worse things happen every day at KFC, right?
 

The Truth

about Ruth
Moz has fucked it. One read of this site shows that.
The Stormzy post really was a no escape low.

He will pretend he didn't know post it. But it's still there.

He should have just waited for the tide to turn, carried on posting positive remarks by big names.
Instead he had a fit. It's pretty much game over.
Yes, I agree. That list of his top ten records was like a moment of sanity and I think it was later on the same day he was back with more of the politics. He really should be talking about music and culture and he might get some positive response.
 

GodEmperorMorrissey

Well-Known Member
Yes, I agree. That list of his top ten records was like a moment of sanity and I think it was later on the same day he was back with more of the politics. He really should be talking about music and culture and he might get some positive response.
That's what Morrissey was doing but every dipshit in music "journalism" wanted to go ape shit over a pin
 

Stephen Hofmann

Well-Known Member
Billy Bragg makes some good points. Why not the Animal Welfare Party? Does Morrissey know they exist?
But this part...
"Party leader Anne Marie Walters maintains ties with Generation Identity, the group who both inspired and received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque. How does that sit with the condemnation of mass murder by lone gunman in ‘Land of the Free’?"

You should always be on the lookout for slippery language. What does "maintains ties with" mean?
Then we have to deal with who and what Generation Identity is. In the news it says that "members of Generation Identity attack Arab youth and give Nazi salutes."
Okay, their website is pretty clear. They want to strengthen borders, send immigrants home, preserve culture, and make it okay to be proud of your nation.
All of these things sound familiar.
The group themselves don't advocate violence on their site but they attract members who act violently. To be fair this could be said of any political party. There is definitely a "dog whistle" element to their message that is very loud.
And they do talk about "the coming events" which is a recurring theme with these sorts of groups. These coming events are not usually defined explicitly. "If you want to know how Europe can prepare itself for the coming events, if you want to talk about fears and the current situation without being stigmatized by the establishment, or if you wonder why European identity is forgotten by the ruling class, then the Identitarian Movement is just what you are looking for."

I think I have an idea who these people are and it's not surprising that Waters would "maintain ties" with them. They seem to have the same agenda.

But it's a game of connect the dots. There is a really weak link and that is the part about how they "received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque." They seem to be the type of organization that this gunman would give funds to. But unless they gave funds to him his actions can't really be tied to them.

So in going Morrissey - Waters - Generation Identity - Christchurch gunman, Billy Bragg is making something of a stretch. It's too bad that Morrissey himself made the comment about how the Breivik massacre was no worse than what goes on at KFC. Has he had anything to say about the Christchurch shootings?

It's Morrissey's own fault he is in this mess and I agree with almost everything that Billy Bragg is saying but sometimes people sacrifice logic to tie in some point they want to make because of its emotional value and I think this is one of those cases. It sounds like Morrissey would have no problem with Generation Identity but that part really should have been left out.
I just like to look at the way people make their arguments. I am not defending Morrissey at all when I say this is a stretch. Billy Bragg is a lot more convincing than @Uncleskinny but he is a little too ambitious here and the weak link is what can be used against him. "He's trying to say Morrissey was in favor of the Christchurch shootings! Ridiculous!"
If Morrissey is even aware of those shootings he probably doesn't care. Worse things happen every day at KFC, right?
Billy Bragg is really stretching it to include the Christchurch murder and somehow link it all into Moz. Spurious, dangerous, un-informed nonsense. I've seen plenty of Generation Identity videos.....they're about as dangerous as a dodgy curry.
 

Stephen Hofmann

Well-Known Member
Billy Bragg makes some good points. Why not the Animal Welfare Party? Does Morrissey know they exist?
But this part...
"Party leader Anne Marie Walters maintains ties with Generation Identity, the group who both inspired and received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque. How does that sit with the condemnation of mass murder by lone gunman in ‘Land of the Free’?"

You should always be on the lookout for slippery language. What does "maintains ties with" mean?
Then we have to deal with who and what Generation Identity is. In the news it says that "members of Generation Identity attack Arab youth and give Nazi salutes."
Okay, their website is pretty clear. They want to strengthen borders, send immigrants home, preserve culture, and make it okay to be proud of your nation.
All of these things sound familiar.
The group themselves don't advocate violence on their site but they attract members who act violently. To be fair this could be said of any political party. There is definitely a "dog whistle" element to their message that is very loud.
And they do talk about "the coming events" which is a recurring theme with these sorts of groups. These coming events are not usually defined explicitly. "If you want to know how Europe can prepare itself for the coming events, if you want to talk about fears and the current situation without being stigmatized by the establishment, or if you wonder why European identity is forgotten by the ruling class, then the Identitarian Movement is just what you are looking for."

I think I have an idea who these people are and it's not surprising that Waters would "maintain ties" with them. They seem to have the same agenda.

But it's a game of connect the dots. There is a really weak link and that is the part about how they "received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque." They seem to be the type of organization that this gunman would give funds to. But unless they gave funds to him his actions can't really be tied to them.

So in going Morrissey - Waters - Generation Identity - Christchurch gunman, Billy Bragg is making something of a stretch. It's too bad that Morrissey himself made the comment about how the Breivik massacre was no worse than what goes on at KFC. Has he had anything to say about the Christchurch shootings?

It's Morrissey's own fault he is in this mess and I agree with almost everything that Billy Bragg is saying but sometimes people sacrifice logic to tie in some point they want to make because of its emotional value and I think this is one of those cases. It sounds like Morrissey would have no problem with Generation Identity but that part really should have been left out.
I just like to look at the way people make their arguments. I am not defending Morrissey at all when I say this is a stretch. Billy Bragg is a lot more convincing than @Uncleskinny but he is a little too ambitious here and the weak link is what can be used against him. "He's trying to say Morrissey was in favor of the Christchurch shootings! Ridiculous!"
If Morrissey is even aware of those shootings he probably doesn't care. Worse things happen every day at KFC, right?
The coming events? Probably means the next Islamic act of terrorism.
 

reelfountain

Well-Known Member
Bragg should go back to his mansion and put his feet up. His work for 'diversity' has been done. London is now a shithole where people are stabbed to death daily by the poor 'victims of society' that he's been campaigning for for decades. This is the world people like Bragg have ushered in (and then quickly ran from to where they are safe - in his case white rich Dorset). Morrissey is of course a racist guilty of thoughtcrime in Bragg's little red book for pointing these things out.

Bragg needs to move on from his 80s mentality and to realise that he's a slave for Soros. Stormzy may be innocent entertainment for the middle classes but to others less well off and less properly-parented he is a bad example, normalising aggression and violence, and encouraging knife crime. He is the polar opposite of Morrissey, so why expect Moz to like this thug? Just because the mass media does? Again people are such sheep.
 
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ForgotHowIGotMyName

Active Member
Congratulations. You’ve made the list.
Gentile, please. I've been on the list for a while now.

One thing I do respect - despite the fact that you’re a reprehensible piece of shit - is that (unlike the other pussies who spout rubbish on here) you have the balls to own your fear and loathing.
I can assure you that I have a hell of a lot more love in my heart than you do because I am willing to be despised by all of society for what I love. What are you willing to do? Not much, apparently.

See you in the trenches, bitch.
Gentile, please. You're not even in the game.
 

The Truth

about Ruth
That's what Morrissey was doing but every dipshit in music "journalism" wanted to go ape shit over a pin
The post about the records was days after the pin and he didn't even give it time to breathe. I believe it was the same day he was right with more of the same.
He knows how it works. He knows what a news cycle is. He sabotaged his own post.
 

Sister I'm a Poet

Well-Known Member
You still don't understand what free speech means. I 'm using it now to call you a brainless Nazi cunt, and there's nothing you can do about it. And now it's my pleasure to put you on block. Fuck off you thick, uneducated, brainless shit.
Skinny's right. It's Morrissey and the alt-right trolls who are the real snowflakes for crying censorship when someone calls them out on their hate speech.
 

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