Bid (Monochrome Set) - Morrissey/Marr mentions in Louder Than War Interview

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By mcrickson on Sep 27, 2019 at 12:58 PM
  1. mcrickson

    mcrickson Reckless Endangerment

    Dec 16, 2007
    The Monochrome Set: Interview - Louder Than War

    ...“There have been so many lies in the press about Morrissey, it’s hard to know what’s true and what’s not.”

    It’s well known that both Morrissey and Marr* were greatly influenced by The Monochrome Set, and the conversation has strayed early onto the subject of whether it’s possible to continue to like his music when the man’s utterances and politics had become so unpalatable to so many.

    “But yes, I think it is” Bid explains, “Maybe he’s not aware that he’s not the one who wrote those beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. There’s something inside that takes over. Creativity comes from that primal part of the brain and it cannot be affected by immediate emotions, it’s detached. I think if you’re a writer, deep in the core you know this, it’s like a vocation, its not you.”

    ...“So yes, maybe he’s not aware he’s not the one who wrote those beautiful songs, not his conscious self anyway. Perhaps he thinks he’s a genius but that creative creature inside him probably isn’t interested in what he’s spouting.”

    Marr mention:

    “It was Steve [Brummel, the group's previous drummer] who told me what Johnny Marr said. It was after we’d played at some weekender festival, in Bognor I think. I’d left after we played but Steve hung around and got into a chat with Johnny who told him ‘You wouldn’t believe how much guitar I nicked from Monochrome Set’, well I listened and listened and I couldn’t hear it, but hey, there you go!”

    He pauses again for breath.

    “And so yeah, perhaps Morrissey is responding to people’s adulation, but it’s not him doing the creating, it’s something inside, something he’s not aware of.”

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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mcrickson, Sep 27, 2019.

    1. vegan cro spirit 555
      vegan cro spirit 555


      time and space is intuition FFS not ideas. ideas are concepts not intuitions.:crazy:

      if we already have FULLY FORMED ideas from intuitiondoh: what would be the sense of
      logic reason and science.doh::rolleyes:
    2. ThePoliticalRevolution
      Is it necessary to keep this thread going? People are dying of hunger. Women are homeless. Lets move on!
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    3. A scanty bit of thing
      A scanty bit of thing
      That cutting insight is really going to facilitate :thumb:
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    4. vegan cro spirit 555
      vegan cro spirit 555

      you got your
      fully formed idea:straightface:
      and of course, your fully unformed idea.:rock:

    5. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      I know artists (& most creative people) are usually out of touch with ‘reality’ and social norms (& thank god for that!) but Bid makes it sound like Morrissey is schizophrenic.

      All of a sudden people think they got Morrissey all figured out. But they are as lost as they always were.

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    6. The Truth
      The Truth
      I have no idea who these people are. When they were "popular" I was probably listening to Judas Priest.
      I don't see it that way exactly but I get what you mean. Whatever it is he's talking about someone's creative process and how their mind works like he's studied them for years. Really it's just a way to sound clever and "explain" how he can like the music without liking the person or liking what they do or say.
      That's an argument that comes up all the time, too. Can you "separate the artist from the art?"
      So it's nothing new. But honestly if I ever heard of these people before I forgot so if they're getting some publicity off of it I'll forgive them because it's much needed.
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    7. vegan cro spirit 555
      vegan cro spirit 555
      right. like you can separate the awful comet music from :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: :lbf:
      with his plastic:guardsman: and cometeer outfit and all the cheeky tats all over himself.:lbf:
      easy divisible.

      anybody off the street with a bizarre musical perception brain molecule can make
      that type of sucky music.:crazy:
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    8. countthree
      This has a lot of sense. I'm reading a book about how our minds work and the author says our brains manage to take basically two kind of decisions. The simple decisions in which we have a few controlled variables are made by the conscious mind. That's what we call reasoning. The complex decisions in which must be considered lots of variables, even the ones we don't know consciously that exist or that we have to take in consideration are better made by our unconcious mind and they usually appear as hunchs or presentiments. He gives as an example of the first kind a mathematical calculation and as an example of a complex decision the choice of who we get in love with. He says the hunchs appear when the concious mind gives up to take a decision because it can't manage so many variables. But we are always the same person despite we may think we are "two people".
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    9. vegan cro spirit 555
      vegan cro spirit 555


      with 'many' variables its best not to think about it but use the 'unconscious' mind.o_O
      located by the nose.:straightface:
      so when you are planning to build a house you leave it to the 'unconscious mind' but when
      you want to smoke weed you use the 'conscious mind'. makes sense.:crazy:
      that way when the house collapses on top of you you wont feel any pain.:lbf:
    10. countthree
      Building a house has a given number of variables, all of them consciously known (or at least they should be known), and people usually take that decision consciously. It's a perfect example of the first kind of decisions, the ones you can reason. It's about the variables you can't even know consciously when our minds give up to reason about the decision and our unconscious mind acts. Of course I'm over simplifying this topic, but esencially that's the idea.
    11. vegan cro spirit 555
      vegan cro spirit 555
      Building a house has a given number of variables.:tears:
      consciously known but variable.:confused: i almost know it but im variable about it , what I happen to know.o_O

      right. PERFECT example or reasonable decisions.:squiffy:

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    12. Surface
      So let’s hear your attempt window licker.
    13. countthree
      Not a reasonable decision. A decision you can reason. i don't know why we are arguing about this, it was just a commentary about a book. I'm not supporting those who attack Morrissey so case closed.
    14. PuppetParrot
      Skinny stop acting the moderator.

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