Best of by collaborator

T

The guy

Guest
I think Jesse has steadily improved and diversified over time. The early guitar chuggers didn't really impress, but there have been several strong co-writes...

My Hurling Days are Done
Once I Saw the River Clean
I'm Not a Man
What Kind of People Live in These Houses?
Kiss Me a Lot
Smiler With Knife
Jim Jim Falls
I'm OK by Myself
The Youngest Was the Most Loved
In the Future When All's Well...

Gustavo and Mando have both co-written some strong songs and sometimes it has been the lyrics that have been a bigger failing.

Obviously Mark Nevin, Alain and Boz all have plenty of strong co-writes, but the truth is that the standard of Morrissey's solo collaborators has always been patchy.
No. Steven street and Alain weren’t patchy. And Nevin was barely patching. Boz is an over rated songwriter. And the others are lawnmower part song writer.
 

Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
Agree. Never even thought about his songs. They are terrible.
"Earth is the Loneliest Planet", "In Your Lap" and "The Girl from Tel-Aviv..." ... absolute howlers. "Israel" is better.
 

Ketamine Sun

HANG THEM HIGH VERONICA
:rofl:


you folks slay me !


Just imagine the songs he could have written with Nick Kent !


:lbf::guitar:



You don’t know what you got !


:cool:
 

The.Truth.

Every.Single.Time.
Jesse Tobias

1. You Have Killed Me
2. Kiss Me A Lot
3. Knockabout World
4. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy
5. When You Open Your Legs
6. The Bullfighter Dies
7. The Youngest Was The Most Loved
8. Once I Saw The River Clean
9. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses?
10. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain

Gustav Manzur

1. Spent The Day In Bed
2. Earth Is The Loneliest Planet
3. Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?
4. One Of Our Own
5. Love Is On Its Way Out
6. Neal Cassidy Drops Dead
7. The Truth About Ruth
8. In Your Lap
9. The Girl From Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel
10. Israel

Mark Nevin (redone)*

1. You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side
2. I Know Its Gonna Happen Someday
3. Pregnant For The Last Time
4. My Love Life
5. King Leer
6. Driving Your Girlfriend Home
7. Our Frank
8. (I'm) The End Of The Family Line
9. Asian Rut
10. I've Changed My Plea To Guilty

Boz Boorer

1. The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get
2. I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris
3. Come Back To Camden
4. Art-Hounds
5. All The Young People Must Fall In Love
6. Speedway
7. World Peace Is None Of Your Business
8. That's How People Grow Up
9. I Like You
10. I Wish You Lonely

Stephen Street

1. Suedehead
2. Everyday Is Like Sunday
3. The Last Of The Famous International Playboys
4. Alsatian Cousin
5. Dial-a-Cliché
6. Angel. Angel, Down We Go Together
7. Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference
8. Lifeguard On Duty
9. I Don't Mind If You Forget Me
10. Oh Well, I'll Never Learn

Alain Whyte

1. First Of The Gang To Die
2. The Never-Played Symphonies
3. The National Front Disco
4. Irish Blood, English Heart
5. I Have A Forgiven Jesus
6. The Lazy Sunbathers
7. Why Don't You find Out for Yourself?
8. Certain People I Know
9. Dagenham Dave
10. Life Is A Pigsty

Johnny Marr

1. I Know It's Over
2. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
3. Bigmouth Strikes Again
4. Panic
5. How Soon Is Now?
6. Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
7. This Charming Man
8. The Headmaster Ritual
9. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
10. Handsome Devil

'The Rest' (redone)*

1. Piccadilly Palare (Kevin Armstrong)
2. Mute Witness (Clive Langer)
3. November Spawned A Monster (Langer)
4. Home Is A Question Mark (Mando Lopez)
5. Striptease With A Difference (Langer)
6. Yes, I Am Blind (Andy Rourke)
7. Wide To Receive (Spencer Cobrin)
8. My Love, I'd Do Anything For You (Lopez)
9. Found Found Found (Langer)
10. Never Again Will I Be A Twin (Lopez)

Covers

1. That's Entertainment
2. No One Can Hold A Candle To You
3. It's Over
4. Skin Storm
5. Suffer The Little Children
6. Morning Starship
7. Some Say I Got Devil
8. Lady Willpower
9. Only A Pawn In Their Game
10. Wedding Bell Blues
This is interesting but I'm afraid putting "Kiss Me A Lot" on a list of good songs really makes me question your choices. :o
As far as the covers he's done I'd remove everything from California Son but I'd put "A Song From Under The Floorboards." There are some great live versions of that.
 

Verso

On Timeout
Jesse Tobias

1. You Have Killed Me
2. Kiss Me A Lot
3. Knockabout World
4. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy
5. When You Open Your Legs
6. The Bullfighter Dies
7. The Youngest Was The Most Loved
8. Once I Saw The River Clean
9. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses?
10. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain

Gustav Manzur

1. Spent The Day In Bed
2. Earth Is The Loneliest Planet
3. Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?
4. One Of Our Own
5. Love Is On Its Way Out
6. Neal Cassidy Drops Dead
7. The Truth About Ruth
8. In Your Lap
9. The Girl From Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel
10. Israel

Mark Nevin

1. You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side
2. I Know Its Gonna Happen Someday
3. Pregnant For The Last Time
4. My Love Life
5. King Leer
6. Driving Your Girlfriend Home
7. Our Frank
8. Found Found Found
9. (I'm) The End Of The Family Line
10. Asian Rut

Boz Boorer

1. The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get
2. I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris
3. Come Back To Camden
4. Art-Hounds
5. All The Young People Must Fall In Love
6. Speedway
7. World Peace Is None Of Your Business
8. That's How People Grow Up
9. I Like You
10. I Wish You Lonely

Stephen Street

1. Suedehead
2. Everyday Is Like Sunday
3. The Last Of The Famous International Playboys
4. Alsatian Cousin
5. Dial-a-Cliché
6. Angel. Angel, Down We Go Together
7. Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference
8. Lifeguard On Duty
9. I Don't Mind If You Forget Me
10. Oh Well, I'll Never Learn

Alain Whyte

1. First Of The Gang To Die
2. The Never-Played Symphonies
3. The National Front Disco
4. Irish Blood, English Heart
5. I Have A Forgiven Jesus
6. The Lazy Sunbathers
7. Why Don't You find Out for Yourself?
8. Certain People I Know
9. Dagenham Dave
10. Life Is A Pigsty

Johnny Marr

1. I Know It's Over
2. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
3. Bigmouth Strikes Again
4. Panic
5. How Soon Is Now?
6. Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
7. This Charming Man
8. The Headmaster Ritual
9. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
10. Handsome Devil

'The Rest'

1. Piccadilly Palare (Kevin Armstrong)
2. Mute Witness (Clive Langer)
3. November Spawned A Monster (Langer)
4. Home Is A Question Mark (Mando Lopez)
5. Striptease With A Difference (Langer)
6. Yes, I Am Blind (Andy Rourke)
7. Wide To Receive (Spencer Cobrin)
8. My Love, I'd Do Anything For You (Lopez)
9. Never Again Will I Be A Twin (Lopez)
10. Darling, I Hug A Pillow (Lopez)

Covers

1. That's Entertainment
2. No One Can Hold A Candle To You
3. It's Over
4. Skin Storm
5. Suffer The Little Children
6. Morning Starship
7. Some Say I Got Devil
8. Lady Willpower
9. Only A Pawn In Their Game
10. Wedding Bell Blues
I'd love to know the particular cognitive disability that compels a person to rate "Art-Hounds" and "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" above "Speedway." Surely we can't just chalk this one up to subjectivity.
 

Flibberty

Well-Known Member
No. Steven street and Alain weren’t patchy. And Nevin was barely patching. Boz is an over rated songwriter. And the others are lawnmower part song writer.
Yeah they were, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

After Southpaw Grammar and Maladjusted had played a significant role in almost killing Morrissey's career stone dead, let's be honest and say that nobody was praising Morrissey's collaborators. There are a fair few duff Morrissey/Whyte tracks out there.

Stephen Street did a fine job with Viva Hate, but he wasn't infallible. He has admitted the limitations to songs like Dial-a-Cliche, and the less said about Journalists Who Lie the better.
 
T

The guy

Guest
Yeah they were, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

After Southpaw Grammar and Maladjusted had played a significant role in almost killing Morrissey's career stone dead, let's be honest and say that nobody was praising Morrissey's collaborators. There are a fair few duff Morrissey/Whyte tracks out there.

Stephen Street did a fine job with Viva Hate, but he wasn't infallible. He has admitted the limitations to songs like Dial-a-Cliche, and the less said about Journalists Who Lie the better.
There is a difference between duff tracks like Papa Jack (although that is an example of poor vocal phrasing and terrible lyrics) and a lack of ability to consistently write songs that resemble accessible music. These current crop of writers’ music is bizarre. The song structures are a mess the melodies - if they exist - are boring. When you couple this with a lyricist who ham fists his words, you get Super Sale bin albums.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
This is interesting but I'm afraid putting "Kiss Me A Lot" on a list of good songs really makes me question your choices. :o
As far as the covers he's done I'd remove everything from California Son but I'd put "A Song From Under The Floorboards." There are some great live versions of that.
Yes "A Song From Under the Floorboards" should maybe be there. Some live covers should maybe be there too. Sorry for liking "Kiss Me A Lot".
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I'd love to know the particular cognitive disability that compels a person to rate "Art-Hounds" and "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" above "Speedway." Surely we can't just chalk this one up to subjectivity.
I have Autism.
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
Here are the GS selections. This was HARD!

Jesse:
1. Forgive Someone
2. YHKM
3. Smiler
4. Boy Happy
5. Youngest
6. River Clean
7. Bury..
8. Knockabout
9. Hurling
10. Future

Boz:
1. NMHIF
2. Blue Dreamers
3. Jack the
4. Come back to
5. The Public Image
6. Maladjusted
7. Speedway
8. I’d Love To
9. Not sorry
10. The Teachers

Alain:
1. Symphonies
2. Let You know
3. Pigsty
4. Trouble
5. Seasick
6. Jesus
7. Ambitious
8. Sunny
9. Boxers
10. First of the gang

Street:
1. Sunday
2. Maudlin
3. Such a little thing
4. Ouija board
5. Michael’s Bones
6. Happy Lovers
7. Alsatian
8. Sister I'm...
9. Will Never Marry
10. Angel angel

Nevin:
1. Driving your..,
2. Changed my plea
3. Family Line
4. I know it’s gonna
5. Sing your
6. My Love Life
7. You’re gonna need
8. Asian rut
9. King Leer
10. Born to hang
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Here are the GS selections. This was HARD!

Jesse:
1. Forgive Someone
2. YHKM
3. Smiler
4. Boy Happy
5. Youngest
6. River Clean
7. Bury..
8. Knockabout
9. Hurling
10. Future

Boz:
1. NMHIF
2. Blue Dreamers
3. Jack the
4. Come back to
5. The Public Image
6. Maladjusted
7. Speedway
8. I’d Love To
9. Not sorry
10. The Teachers

Alain:
1. Symphonies
2. Let You know
3. Pigsty
4. Trouble
5. Seasick
6. Jesus
7. Ambitious
8. Sunny
9. Boxers
10. First of the gang

Street:
1. Sunday
2. Maudlin
3. Such a little thing
4. Ouija board
5. Michael’s Bones
6. Happy Lovers
7. Alsatian
8. Playboys
9. Dial a cliche
10. Angel angel

Nevin:
1. Driving your..,
2. Changed my plea
3. Family Line
4. I know it’s gonna
5. Sing your
6. My Love Life
7. You’re gonna need
8. Asian rut
9. Found found
10. Born to hang
Found Found Found was by Clive Langer.
 
T

The guy

Guest
Side note. One of my favorite run of singles was: Boxers, Sunny, Alma. I just love all three of these late first stage Morrissey.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I'd love to know the particular cognitive disability that compels a person to rate "Art-Hounds" and "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" above "Speedway." Surely we can't just chalk this one up to subjectivity.
I'd love to know the particular cognitive disability that compels a person to insult someone just because they rate a couple of songs differently.
 

Flibberty

Well-Known Member
Side note. One of my favorite run of singles was: Boxers, Sunny, Alma. I just love all three of these late first stage Morrissey.
I see that you've (perhaps sensibly) erased Dagenham Dave and The Boy Racer from your mind. ;)
There is a difference between duff tracks like Papa Jack (although that is an example of poor vocal phrasing and terrible lyrics) and a lack of ability to consistently write songs that resemble accessible music. These current crop of writers’ music is bizarre. The song structures are a mess the melodies - if they exist - are boring. When you couple this with a lyricist who ham fists his words, you get Super Sale bin albums.
As I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

It's interesting though that for an album like Low in High School that the music received plenty of positive reviews in the press which certainly didn't happen for many of the 90s releases. Morrissey certainly wasn't at his best on that album imo, and the main issue was not with the collaborators.
 

Ben Budd

Well-Known Member
Distinct lack of "I'm not a Man", easily Jesse's best co-write.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Stephen Street did a fine job with Viva Hate, but he wasn't infallible. He has admitted the limitations to songs like Dial-a-Cliche, and the less said about Journalists Who Lie the better.
See, this is where I think judging things are very tricky. Yes, there are tracks that clearly stand out as great musically, even without the vocal line (eg The More You Ignore Me, First of the Gang, pretty much everything Marr wrote), but in other places, who gets the blame? Morrissey's voice, lyrics and melody frequently transforms pretty standard musical backings into great songs, but sometimes the reverse is true.

Is 'Journalists Who Lie' objectively that much crapper musically than most of Street's compositions - or did Moz just not bring his A-game to that particular song?
 
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