Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of Tea" to air (Apr. 10

Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

Were not all obsessed with hitler.

I find Hitler very interesting as a character. I don't agree with any of his crazy ideology but I find his evil charisma intriguing.
It was such a strange time and it's extremely odd that it all happened in living memory of some people, my nan included.
I'm also very interested by the holocaust and would like to one day visit Auschwitz as I feel is something everyone should do in their lifetime. I imagine its very humbling.
God help us if anything similar ever happens again.
 
I was fortunate to visit Bergen-Belsen some years ago. A clearing in woodland in a stunningly beautiful part of Germany. Quite the most disturbing place I have ever visited. No wildlife can be heard, just as if they know not to go there. Sounds silly, but its true. There must be another reason, but it is hard not to think it is because the place is drenched in a feeling of evil you can almost reach out and touch.

You walk up to one of the monuments, written in many languages, and scan down to yours to read "You are standing on the remains of 15,000 people."

Repeat this experience over and again and you begin to get some idea of it. I was there on a beautiful summer's day, 25 degrees plus, and at one point I found myself split off from the rest of the group and alone in an area with the concrete foundations of what were barracks. Looking about me into the woods I felt as if I was being watched. It is hard not to believe in ghosts in such a place, even in bright noon day sunlight.

I recommend a visit for Morrissey. That way, you never know, he might think twice before ever again conflating a 21st century western liberal democracy like the UK with a fascist state.
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

I find Hitler very interesting as a character. I don't agree with any of his crazy ideology but I find his evil charisma intriguing.
It was such a strange time and it's extremely odd that it all happened in living memory of some people, my nan included.
I'm also very interested by the holocaust and would like to one day visit Auschwitz as I feel is something everyone should do in their lifetime. I imagine its very humbling.
God help us if anything similar ever happens again.

Yes it would be terrible if anything similar happened again.

(Rwanda, Cambodia, the fmr Yugoslavia, Iraq, Bangladesh....)
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

If the Falklands are anyone's they certainly aren't ours, they are no where near Britain and only the disgusting notion of British imperialism would make anyone think otherwise

I don't give a shit what the people who live there think. Governments regularly make it clear that what the people think doesn't matter except when it suits their agenda
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

To address a few points in this fabulous thread:

Quentin Crisp lived in my neighborhood in New York. He was a regular at a local diner, and my husband and I often had brunch just a few tables away from where the dear old purple-haired fellow was holding court. He had many admirers here, and he was more than delighted to recount his exploits to any number of eager young American things. He lived his American life fully.

It is perfectly possible for a British person to enjoy a cup of tea in America (especially in New York). We have some lovely tea shops here, not to mention many British expats who keep the culture alive.

I eagery await Morrissey's televised, tea-drinking exploits; I'm sure that his light-hearted comments will touch off an ugly international incident. I'm going to preempt things by bringing up the British East India Company, the Tea Act and the dumping of tea leaves in Boston Harbor on December 6th, 1773. Now we all have to live with the Tea Party and tea baggers of the political right, who should all be shipped off to a remote, uninhabited island where they can bully each other back into the 19th Century, where they belong.

Morrissey is in no way like Adolf Eichmann. He is not a team-player, nor is he a collaborator. He is a wayward non-conformist whose ideology consists of knocking statues off their pillars. He's done more to discredit himself than anyone else, and I often wonder if it's intentional.
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

Not true.

We are apparently foul with jingoism, reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/06/morrissey-olympic-games

He loathes this country, and increasingly many of us who once idolised Morrissey are bored of it, and him.

It is interesting to hear him talking of "we" when fighting Hitler, when by his recent statements it seems quite clear that he would have more than likely taken the same view as Éamon de Valera and the government of Eire at the time, which was to give aid and succour to the Third Reich where possible. I can see Morrissey now peddling furiously from village to village like Donald Sutherland in The Eagle Has Landed, before racing back to his morse radio set to report back to Germany.

Morrissey is very much like an old rusting hulk adrift on an ocean, sailing from continent to continent raising a flag of convenience to suit his next port of call. We know it, the Norwegians know it, and many of our friends in the US are suspecting it.

It's ironic to think if he carries on like this he will soon find his only bolt hole in South America.

Like Eichmann before him.


The reference to the role of "Eire" in WW2 is completely untrue. No "succour" was given to Nazi Germany - in fact quite the opposite. Dev's government allowed British planes to fly over Irish territory - even going as far as providing navigation markings for their planes. They also actively tracked down and detained suspected Nazi spies, provided military intelligence, weather reports and food supplies. Also many thousands of Irish joined the Allies armies. The extent of Irish assistance on the Allied side had to be played down so as not to contravene the official stance of "neutrality". But please - never let objective historical fact get in the way of your ludicrous rantings.
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

and some fat hillbilly half-wit white trash future teen mom Mountain Dew swilling f***tard named Honey Boo Boo. "Should have been drowned at birth".

Well thats not fair, it's her parents fault.
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

I was fortunate to visit Bergen-Belsen some years ago. A clearing in woodland in a stunningly beautiful part of Germany. Quite the most disturbing place I have ever visited. No wildlife can be heard, just as if they know not to go there. Sounds silly, but its true. There must be another reason, but it is hard not to think it is because the place is drenched in a feeling of evil you can almost reach out and touch.

You walk up to one of the monuments, written in many languages, and scan down to yours to read "You are standing on the remains of 15,000 people."

Repeat this experience over and again and you begin to get some idea of it. I was there on a beautiful summer's day, 25 degrees plus, and at one point I found myself split off from the rest of the group and alone in an area with the concrete foundations of what were barracks. Looking about me into the woods I felt as if I was being watched. It is hard not to believe in ghosts in such a place, even in bright noon day sunlight.

I recommend a visit for Morrissey. That way, you never know, he might think twice before ever again conflating a 21st century western liberal democracy like the UK with a fascist state.

I would love to visit that camp...I can only imagine the feelings you have when you step into that place. Haunting I'm sure.
Apparently, when you step into Auschwitz the desperation of the prisoners overwhelms you and even the most un-feeling person would break down in tears.
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

The reference to the role of "Eire" in WW2 is completely untrue. No "succour" was given to Nazi Germany - in fact quite the opposite. Dev's government allowed British planes to fly over Irish territory - even going as far as providing navigation markings for their planes. They also actively tracked down and detained suspected Nazi spies, provided military intelligence, weather reports and food supplies. Also many thousands of Irish joined the Allies armies. The extent of Irish assistance on the Allied side had to be played down so as not to contravene the official stance of "neutrality". But please - never let objective historical fact get in the way of your ludicrous rantings.

Complete revisionist nonsense:

Other examples of Irish attitudes towards Nazi Germany found expression in mid-1940 in de Valera's Chargé d'Affaires in Berlin, William Warnock, 'whose "unquestionable" hostility to Britain could easily be interpreted as sympathetic for National Socialism.' [SUP][37][/SUP] Academic J.J. Lee questioned just how much of Warnock's zeal towards Hitler’s Reichstag speech on July 19 was genuine enthusiasm for the 'international justice' that could be expected after Germany’s victory, as opposed to an adherence to the instructions of Dublin to please oneself to the potential victors.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] Three years later, by 1944, the orientation of the war and of Irish relations to Germany had turned about-face, with the threat of a German victory no longer imminent. In that climate the Irish Government, once so ready to 'say agreeable things', Hempel remarked, had become 'unhelpful and evasive'.[SUP][38][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II#Condolences_on_Hitler.27s_death
 
Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

The reference to the role of "Eire" in WW2 is completely untrue. No "succour" was given to Nazi Germany - in fact quite the opposite. Dev's government allowed British planes to fly over Irish territory - even going as far as providing navigation markings for their planes. They also actively tracked down and detained suspected Nazi spies, provided military intelligence, weather reports and food supplies. Also many thousands of Irish joined the Allies armies. The extent of Irish assistance on the Allied side had to be played down so as not to contravene the official stance of "neutrality". But please - never let objective historical fact get in the way of your ludicrous rantings.

I'm afraid that is not really borne out by history. Dev's government had regular contact with the Nazis, and the IRAs connections were even more stark. That said, I perfectly understand why the Republic should seek to keep it quiet. It is hardly anything to be proud of, and that's before fleeing Nazis were allowed to live out their lives in the Republic after the war.

It is also true they allowed Allied aircraft to use Irish airspace. Neutrality and evenhandedness in relations during wartime are all well and good, and not to be criticised.

When one side isn't the f***ing Nazis, that is.
 
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I would love to visit that camp...I can only imagine the feelings you have when you step into that place. Haunting I'm sure.
Apparently, when you step into Auschwitz the desperation of the prisoners overwhelms you and even the most un-feeling person would break down in tears.

If you get a chance to visit any of them please go. It is a life changing experience.
 
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He's done more to discredit himself than anyone else, and I often wonder if it's intentional.

Now that is a fascinating thought.
 
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I love the episode when father ted gets a tea making machine and mrs doyle gets up in the night and destroys it :p

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Re: Article: Daily Star - Morrissey and Victoria Wood; "Victoria Wood's Nice Cup Of T

Now that is a fascinating thought.

"Unlimited self-sabotage" ya-da, ya-da, ya-da...
 
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Thank you Morrizsey for that link.......But, by the looks of it,I won't be bothering with what looks like yet another BBC " spend a fortune sending a Patronising Celeb around the world" documentary...I'll just stick to me cider!!!
 

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