Alain Whyte: Southpaw Grammar listening party via Twitter - 8pm UK time May 10, 2020

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Anonymous

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The worst Morrissey album by quite a margin.
Crap lyrics on two thirds of the songs, dull music on three quarters.
The only Morrissey album not to include a genuinely great song - just two or three pretty good ones.
 

ordinaryboy86

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The worst Morrissey album by quite a margin.
Crap lyrics on two thirds of the songs, dull music on three quarters.
The only Morrissey album not to include a genuinely great song - just two or three pretty good ones.
Worst album by quite a margin? Have you heard his last 3 or 4?

Best friend on the payroll = great
Do your best and don’t worry = great
Southpaw = one of the greatest Morrissey songs
 

Emotional Guide Dog

Chairman Of The Bored
The worst Morrissey album by quite a margin.
Crap lyrics on two thirds of the songs, dull music on three quarters.
The only Morrissey album not to include a genuinely great song - just two or three pretty good ones.
Which ones do you consider 'pretty good'? I've always liked Teachers Are Afraid of The Pupils, Reader Meet Author and Do Your Best and Don't Worry.
 
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Carlislelbaz

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Worst album by quite a margin? Have you heard his last 3 or 4?

Best friend on the payroll = great
Do your best and don’t worry = great
Southpaw = one of the greatest Morrissey songs
Are you back again...... hope your not gonna carry yourself on again..... Whitehaven Jack....jam eater....
 

marred

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I've always liked the Southpaw sleeve and the album itself. I hated the new track listing on the expanded edition. Honey, Bird and Nice to me are sub par demos that should've stayed home. Why does he slap unfinished songs from completely different eras onto re releases?
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
If he'd put 'Nobody loves Us' and 'You Should've Been Nice To Me' on it it would've been truly outstanding. Dagenham and Best Friend I always found a bit lazy, although I did see him live at Battersea and Wembley where he played those tracks and I did enjoy them.
 

Phranc & Open

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I've always liked the Southpaw sleeve and the album itself. I hated the new track listing on the expanded edition. Honey, Bird and Nice to me are sub par demos that should've stayed home. Why does he slap unfinished songs from completely different eras onto re releases?
They don't fit the mood but I am glad we got to hear them anyway. Southpaw was planned as a follow-up to Vauxhall, containing a similar nostalgic atmosphere. Honey and Nice are witnesses from that early period, altough unfinished somehow. Bird belongs to the "Your arse n all" period and is squeezed in for good, because Morrissey wanted it that way.

Southpaw is the school of hard knocks with all it's hammerhead pop. The album makes no compromises and gave birth to some great tunes: Southpaw, Reader, Dagenham, Payroll and Do you best.

Southpaw still has a special place in this ole 90s heart of mine.
 
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Flibberty

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Cool for Alain to contribute to this, even if I still think that Southpaw Grammar is Morrissey's worst album. Alain is absolutely right that the opening and closing songs should have been shorter. I can't agree about You Must Please Remember though because that one is seriously substandard. A b-side if ever I heard one.

Morrissey was being typically contrarian at this time and wanted to do something completely different to Vauxhall and I. Not just in terms of the music, but he also stated in interviews at the time that he no longer wanted to look backwards or be nostalgic in his lyrics. After the poetic quality of his words on the previous album, his writing here represented a massive nosedive. He had simply written nowhere near enough lyrics to make an album.

He also stated in interviews at the time that the album wasn't as good as Vauxhall and I. Very honest, but not exactly a great sales ploy. :)
 

BookishBoy

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"Nobody Loves Us" is one of my all-time favourite solo songs. Everything else from this period I could happily never hear again, it just does nothing for me, sadly!
 
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