Abu Dhabi

[Paulc]

A friend of mine has just taken a teaching job in Abu Dhabi.

As a condition of her entry into the country she was told she MUST NOT bring anything that references:

1. Homosexuality
2. The State of Israel
3. Pornography

So we snuck into her bag some gay jewish porn lol.

Seriously, they would not actually let her into the country if she was carrying anything referencing any of the above.

 

[EPbabe]

A friend of mine has just taken a teaching job in Abu Dhabi.

As a condition of her entry into the country she was told she MUST NOT bring anything that references:

1. Homosexuality
2. The State of Israel
3. Pornography

So we snuck into her bag some gay jewish porn lol.

Seriously, they would not actually let her into the country if she was carrying anything referencing any of the above.

Lol!

They wouldn't be very happy with my concert tickets for the Budapest summer Jewish festival then...

 

[Jukebox Jury]

A friend of mine has just taken a teaching job in Abu Dhabi.

As a condition of her entry into the country she was told she MUST NOT bring anything that references:

1. Homosexuality
2. The State of Israel
3. Pornography

So we snuck into her bag some gay jewish porn lol.

Seriously, they would not actually let her into the country if she was carrying anything referencing any of the above.

Well if she wears a Manchester City shirt she should be OK

My brother has lived in Dubai since 1994 and before he moved, he had to marry his partner or she wouldn't have been allowed to live there
They love it there.

Jukebox Jury

 

[Jane Birkin]

definitely not a good place for gays according to this:
http://www.queerty.com/two-lesbians-arrested-after-kissing-in-dubai-20080902/

 

[5am]

definitely not a good place for gays according to this:
http://www.queerty.com/two-lesbians-arrested-after-kissing-in-dubai-20080902/

I wonder why they had to add that semi-pornographic pic.

 

[drunken goldfish]

Well if she wears a Manchester City shirt she should be OK

Oh really?

 

[Jukebox Jury]

Oh really?

Ha ha nice one, good point
Chelsea faced a problem a few months ago, they were to play a friendly game in (I think) Malaysia and the then manager Avram Grant, would not have been able to go as the country does not allow Jews in
Not sure if that is why he was subsequantly sacked though

Jukebox Jury

 

[Buzzetta]

You know what though? That is their rules and if you freely enter their country with the understanding that you plan to abide by those rules you cannot whine about it if you break them and are subjected to their prosecutionatory system.

Upon returning to work my friend went on and on about how tragic it was that China stifled protesters advocating their beliefs of Tibet during the Beijing games and those that reported them. I am going to repeat what I said to him here. Here in the United States if a foreigner comes here and commits an act deemed subject to capital punishment that person can and will be put to death after being tried under the rules of the United States regardless of whether or not your home country carries the death penalty.

For example if someone from Canada crosses over the border travels to Texas and murders and rapes teenage girls. There is a very high likelihood that person is going to be put to death. (Ask Cassius Texas doesn't f*** around.) Anyway it is irrelevant that Canada does not have the death penalty. Canada will probably protest the decision but ultimately the man's fate is in the hands of the US.

Another example is the drug laws of various countries. If you are found with even a minimal amount of drugs you can be locked up for a very very very long time. Her name escapes me but I believe it was New Zealand where a girl is serving about thirty years for bringing drugs into the country.

I am by no means an advocate for the godless commie bastards that is the Chinese Government. However, China warned everyone that there would be a zero tolerance for certain actions. Those that decided to break Chinese rules cannot complain how they are punished for committing those actions when the rules and results were laid out squarely in front of them.

The same holds true in Abu Dhabi. If you go there you agree to follow their legal system regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

 

[chica]

You know what though? That is their rules and if you freely enter their country with the understanding that you plan to abide by those rules you cannot whine about it if you break them and are subjected to their prosecutionatory system.

Like the Taliban rules and Saddam Husein's rules? But they were no good, they had to be changed. It's called democracy!

 

[nogodsnomasters85]

Like the Taliban rules and Saddam Husein's rules? But they were no good, they had to be changed. It's called democracy!

I agree. People are, in the words of our declaration of independence, endowed with "certain unalienable rights." If we take this as a given, that there are certain human rights which apply across the board, we must condemn anyone who unreasonably infringes upon them. According to that approach China's in double trouble, first for silencing the peaceful political expression of aforementioned guy, and, of course, for they're horrible mistreatment of the people of Tibet.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

You know what though? That is their rules and if you freely enter their country with the understanding that you plan to abide by those rules you cannot whine about it if you break them and are subjected to their prosecutionatory system.

Upon returning to work my friend went on and on about how tragic it was that China stifled protesters advocating their beliefs of Tibet during the Beijing games and those that reported them. I am going to repeat what I said to him here. Here in the United States if a foreigner comes here and commits an act deemed subject to capital punishment that person can and will be put to death after being tried under the rules of the United States regardless of whether or not your home country carries the death penalty.

For example if someone from Canada crosses over the border travels to Texas and murders and rapes teenage girls. There is a very high likelihood that person is going to be put to death. (Ask Cassius Texas doesn't f*** around.) Anyway it is irrelevant that Canada does not have the death penalty. Canada will probably protest the decision but ultimately the man's fate is in the hands of the US.

Another example is the drug laws of various countries. If you are found with even a minimal amount of drugs you can be locked up for a very very very long time. Her name escapes me but I believe it was New Zealand where a girl is serving about thirty years for bringing drugs into the country.

I am by no means an advocate for the godless commie bastards that is the Chinese Government. However, China warned everyone that there would be a zero tolerance for certain actions. Those that decided to break Chinese rules cannot complain how they are punished for committing those actions when the rules and results were laid out squarely in front of them.

The same holds true in Abu Dhabi. If you go there you agree to follow their legal system regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

I dont think anyone is arguing as to whether someone entering another country and rapes / kills kids will be sent down / given the death penalty. We are talking about someone entering another country and peacefully demonstrating.
It is not long ago when slavery and women being denied a vote were law. People peacefully (some not peacefully) demonstrated and were banged up for those demonstrations and eventually those archaic laws were changed as a result. Do you think if people hadn't demonstrated those laws would have changed? Look at how anti apartheid demonstrations worked. If no one had given a shit about Nelson Mandela he'd still be banged up and the white minority would still be running the show.

The other side of the coin on this subject is that whilst 'we' are expected to abide by 'their' laws in 'their' country, does the same apply whilst 'they' are in 'our' country?
If 'we' were to say upon entry to 'our' country people from Abu Dhabi must not practice Islam, cannot wear a burka, no arranged marriages etc etc there will be uproar.
'They' can 'here', 'we' cannot 'there'. Manna from heaven for the BNP.

Jukebox Jury

 

[Paulc]

The same holds true in Abu Dhabi. If you go there you agree to follow their legal system regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

Yep thats fair enough i suppose. I just think its hugely backward to have a law which says that homosexuality is wrong and to be reviled.

But i also feel very strongly about the death penalty in the US and China and elsewhere - barbaric and backward in my opinion.

 

[cornelius blaze]

The other side of the coin on this subject is that whilst 'we' are expected to abide by 'their' laws in 'their' country, does the same apply whilst 'they' are in 'our' country?
If 'we' were to say upon entry to 'our' country people from Abu Dhabi must not practice Islam, cannot wear a burka, no arranged marriages etc etc there will be uproar. .

It doesn't say you can't practice your faith from the country you come from, just respect their laws even if you don't agree with them.

http://www.exploreabudhabi.ae/en/uae.facts.and.figures/language.religion.aspx

[I"]Abu Dhabi, as is the entire UAE, is tolerant of other religions. Residents who profess a different faith are allowed to perform their religious duties such as attending worship services or mass in churches or chapels. The government, however, disallows overt religious activities that may interfere with Islam such as handing out evangelical leaflets near a mosque or in other designated public places"[/I]


Wearing a burka and arranged marriages have nothing to do it really, it's a part of their religion & culture which goes back many many years in Islam.

I question 'Our' country, what do you mean by this?

'They' can 'here', 'we' cannot 'there'. Manna from heaven for the BNP.

Then the BNP will look rather silly then. As we have a supposely more tolerant multi cultural society.

would they would use the team 'our' country too?

Yep thats fair enough i suppose. I just think its hugely backward to have a law which says that homosexuality is wrong and to be reviled..

well, it was only 40 plus years ago that it stopped being a criminal 'act' in the UK.

But i also feel very strongly about the death penalty in the US and China and elsewhere - barbaric and backward in my opinion.

and doesn't stop people killing other people.

 

[Flax]

You know what though? That is their rules and if you freely enter their country with the understanding that you plan to abide by those rules you cannot whine about it if you break them and are subjected to their prosecutionatory system.

Upon returning to work my friend went on and on about how tragic it was that China stifled protesters advocating their beliefs of Tibet during the Beijing games and those that reported them. I am going to repeat what I said to him here. Here in the United States if a foreigner comes here and commits an act deemed subject to capital punishment that person can and will be put to death after being tried under the rules of the United States regardless of whether or not your home country carries the death penalty.

For example if someone from Canada crosses over the border travels to Texas and murders and rapes teenage girls. There is a very high likelihood that person is going to be put to death. (Ask Cassius Texas doesn't f*** around.) Anyway it is irrelevant that Canada does not have the death penalty. Canada will probably protest the decision but ultimately the man's fate is in the hands of the US.

Another example is the drug laws of various countries. If you are found with even a minimal amount of drugs you can be locked up for a very very very long time. Her name escapes me but I believe it was New Zealand where a girl is serving about thirty years for bringing drugs into the country.

I am by no means an advocate for the godless commie bastards that is the Chinese Government. However, China warned everyone that there would be a zero tolerance for certain actions. Those that decided to break Chinese rules cannot complain how they are punished for committing those actions when the rules and results were laid out squarely in front of them.

The same holds true in Abu Dhabi. If you go there you agree to follow their legal system regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

I'm not a lawyer but I don't think that's how it works.
The other day I saw on TV this guy that murdered somebody in Texas and had been in jail for years. When he was sentenced to death penalty, he claimed to be a Mexican citizen, which kept him from being executed, and it seems they will have to deport him instead of sending him to have a talk with baby jesus.

Not sure how his story will end or what happened, but it showed that they couldn't just ignore that he was a foreign citizen.

 

[chica]

Not sure how his story will end or what happened, but it showed that they couldn't just ignore that he was a foreign citizen.

Probably not because of legal obstacles, but because the US government didn't want to have a tiff with Mexican government. Relations between countries aren't founded in law. They resemble relations between mob bosses.

 

[Buzzetta]

I dont think anyone is arguing as to whether someone entering another country and rapes / kills kids will be sent down / given the death penalty. We are talking about someone entering another country and peacefully demonstrating.
It is not long ago when slavery and women being denied a vote were law. People peacefully (some not peacefully) demonstrated and were banged up for those demonstrations and eventually those archaic laws were changed as a result. Do you think if people hadn't demonstrated those laws would have changed? Look at how anti apartheid demonstrations worked. If no one had given a shit about Nelson Mandela he'd still be banged up and the white minority would still be running the show.

The other side of the coin on this subject is that whilst 'we' are expected to abide by 'their' laws in 'their' country, does the same apply whilst 'they' are in 'our' country?
If 'we' were to say upon entry to 'our' country people from Abu Dhabi must not practice Islam, cannot wear a burka, no arranged marriages etc etc there will be uproar.
'They' can 'here', 'we' cannot 'there'. Manna from heaven for the BNP.

Jukebox Jury

Oh I am saying that by all means do what you want to do but understand that there are consequences. That is what people fail to see. If you feel as if you want to protest what you see as something that should happen in comparison to what is going on and want to speak up then do so with the understanding that there may be consequences due to the laws in the foreign countries.

I am not making a commentary on the right or wrong of the laws. It is just that if the law says if you do "a" then "b" will happen, you are free to do "a". Just do not act surprised when "b" comes along with it.

 

[Buzzetta]

Yep thats fair enough i suppose. I just think its hugely backward to have a law which says that homosexuality is wrong and to be reviled.

But i also feel very strongly about the death penalty in the US and China and elsewhere - barbaric and backward in my opinion.

I have to admit that I have no problem with it in the majority of cases that it is put on the table for.

 

[Buzzetta]

I'm not a lawyer but I don't think that's how it works.
The other day I saw on TV this guy that murdered somebody in Texas and had been in jail for years. When he was sentenced to death penalty, he claimed to be a Mexican citizen, which kept him from being executed, and it seems they will have to deport him instead of sending him to have a talk with baby jesus.

Not sure how his story will end or what happened, but it showed that they couldn't just ignore that he was a foreign citizen.

There may be more to it as we have executed non citizens.

 

[nogodsnomasters85]

Oh I am saying that by all means do what you want to do but understand that there are consequences. That is what people fail to see. If you feel as if you want to protest what you see as something that should happen in comparison to what is going on and want to speak up then do so with the understanding that there may be consequences due to the laws in the foreign countries.
I am not making a commentary on the right or wrong of the laws. It is just that if the law says if you do "a" then "b" will happen, you are free to do "a". Just do not act surprised when "b" comes along with it.

The consequences aren't a surprise to anyone, it's essentially a given. However, despite this statement above, the nature of you're argument seems to imply that the laws of said nation being protested have some kind of inherent legitimacy.

 

[Dave]

You know what though? That is their rules and if you freely enter their country with the understanding that you plan to abide by those rules you cannot whine about it if you break them and are subjected to their prosecutionatory system.

Upon returning to work my friend went on and on about how tragic it was that China stifled protesters advocating their beliefs of Tibet during the Beijing games and those that reported them. I am going to repeat what I said to him here. Here in the United States if a foreigner comes here and commits an act deemed subject to capital punishment that person can and will be put to death after being tried under the rules of the United States regardless of whether or not your home country carries the death penalty.

For example if someone from Canada crosses over the border travels to Texas and murders and rapes teenage girls. There is a very high likelihood that person is going to be put to death. (Ask Cassius Texas doesn't f*** around.) Anyway it is irrelevant that Canada does not have the death penalty. Canada will probably protest the decision but ultimately the man's fate is in the hands of the US.

Another example is the drug laws of various countries. If you are found with even a minimal amount of drugs you can be locked up for a very very very long time. Her name escapes me but I believe it was New Zealand where a girl is serving about thirty years for bringing drugs into the country.

I am by no means an advocate for the godless commie bastards that is the Chinese Government. However, China warned everyone that there would be a zero tolerance for certain actions. Those that decided to break Chinese rules cannot complain how they are punished for committing those actions when the rules and results were laid out squarely in front of them.

The same holds true in Abu Dhabi. If you go there you agree to follow their legal system regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

Texas is hardly the place to refer to if you want to win an argument of this sort. They execute people that are mentally retarded.

The other thing is that we don't have to respect the laws of every country in the world. Yes, if you go there and you are breaking the law, you may have to pay the price, but it's completely wrong to suggest that we should respect all governments.

When the kid was going to be caned in Singapore, I had little sympathy. His stupidity led to an international diplomatic event. But you go too far the other way to suggest that taking advantage of China's hosting of the Olympics to protest their state policies is similar to coming to the US to commit murder.