a critique of morrissey in relation to november spawned a monster

Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2000 (read-only)' started by constantin constantius, Jul 19, 2000.

  1. what is morrissey's music essentially about? what is the single thread tying together morrissey's whole outlook? it is an individual's inability to find love and recongnition in life, whether that be from an other individual or from society. they find themself's as outsiders, alone in the world; society simply cannot or will not recongnise these peoples identity and needs.

    people who don't like morrissey's music always say they find it too depressing, but he cannot help that, the people he writes about will always lead unhappy lives. yet others who come to morrissey's music find it a profoundly consoling experience.why? because they identify their lives with the lives of the characters in his lyrics. and this is why morrissey inspires love, devotion and worship stronger that any other figure in popular music. he acts as a substitute form of recongnition from that of society. and maybe morrissey has even saved lives for this reason.

    now i want to bring in november spawned a monster and get too the point of this piece. the figure in this song is a child of suffering, a twisted and ugly woman. she will never know happiness like other people; never will she be able to enter the social roles that the majority take for granted - love, marriage, motherhood, a sucssesful carrer - and even trying will only end in her humiliation. so if there is no alternative to these, if there is nothing higher, then she is lost, absolutly lost. all she has is her pride and inner dignity, but all that society can offer her is pity,and for pride, there's no greater posion than pity. so what can she do? where can she go? well, she could spent her life in and out of doctors surgerys or on psychiatrist couches, popping pills and taking advise; but this would only be an expiedient to ease her suffering; it will never help her find meaning for her life. so what should she do? where should she go?

    as i said earlier, morrissey acts as a subtitute recongnition for people (most people who love morrissey will use him in this sense during difficult periods in their lives). in this sense he is similar to christianity, in that they both attract the anguished and offer substitute forms of recongnition to that of society's; but, and this is my critisism of morrissey, in christianity, the individual not only finds recongnition of himself, he also gains a prodiguos hope ( eternal life)and a new qualitive meaning to their life. morrissey on the other hand, offer only a negative recongnition. he speaks generally of unhappy lives, and people will see their own lives reflected in his lyrics, and this is the problem: the only reflection they see is their own loneliness, dissapointments and failurs, and as i said earlier, if their are no alternatives, then for the child in november spawned a monster (and god know's, where must be ten's of thousands of people like her in society) it will only mean her undoing. for her and others like her, whether they be deformed, ugly, crippled by shyness...coming to morrissey will only mean to remain in suffering, dissapointment and a life of despair. in short morrissey only ever offers descriptions, never perscriptions. he is a philoshophical and spiritual deadend.

    when i say christianity is an alternative, it is only one. i am sure there are many others that do not require faith. i just wish morrissy would occasionally mention some of them in his work.
     
  2. somnium

    somnium Guest

    > what is morrissey's music essentially about? what is the single
    > thread tying together morrissey's whole outlook? it is an
    > individual's inability to find love and recongnition in life,
    > whether that be from an other individual or from society. they
    > find themself's as outsiders, alone in the world; society simply
    > cannot or will not recongnise these peoples identity and needs.

    > people who don't like morrissey's music always say they find it
    > too depressing, but he cannot help that, the people he writes
    > about will always lead unhappy lives. yet others who come to
    > morrissey's music find it a profoundly consoling experience.why?
    > because they identify their lives with the lives of the
    > characters in his lyrics. and this is why morrissey inspires
    > love, devotion and worship stronger that any other figure in
    > popular music. he acts as a substitute form of recongnition from
    > that of society. and maybe morrissey has even saved lives for
    > this reason.

    > now i want to bring in november spawned a monster and get too
    > the point of this piece. the figure in this song is a child of
    > suffering, a twisted and ugly woman. she will never know
    > happiness like other people; never will she be able to enter the
    > social roles that the majority take for granted - love,
    > marriage, motherhood, a sucssesful carrer - and even trying will
    > only end in her humiliation. so if there is no alternative to
    > these, if there is nothing higher, then she is lost, absolutly
    > lost. all she has is her pride and inner dignity, but all that
    > society can offer her is pity,and for pride, there's no greater
    > posion than pity. so what can she do? where can she go? well,
    > she could spent her life in and out of doctors surgerys or on
    > psychiatrist couches, popping pills and taking advise; but this
    > would only be an expiedient to ease her suffering; it will never
    > help her find meaning for her life. so what should she do? where
    > should she go?

    > as i said earlier, morrissey acts as a subtitute recongnition
    > for people (most people who love morrissey will use him in this
    > sense during difficult periods in their lives). in this sense he
    > is similar to christianity, in that they both attract the
    > anguished and offer substitute forms of recongnition to that of
    > society's; but, and this is my critisism of morrissey, in
    > christianity, the individual not only finds recongnition of
    > himself, he also gains a prodiguos hope ( eternal life)and a new
    > qualitive meaning to their life. morrissey on the other hand,
    > offer only a negative recongnition. he speaks generally of
    > unhappy lives, and people will see their own lives reflected in
    > his lyrics, and this is the problem: the only reflection they
    > see is their own loneliness, dissapointments and failurs, and as
    > i said earlier, if their are no alternatives, then for the child
    > in november spawned a monster (and god know's, where must be
    > ten's of thousands of people like her in society) it will only
    > mean her undoing. for her and others like her, whether they be
    > deformed, ugly, crippled by shyness...coming to morrissey will
    > only mean to remain in suffering, dissapointment and a life of
    > despair. in short morrissey only ever offers descriptions, never
    > perscriptions. he is a philoshophical and spiritual deadend.

    > when i say christianity is an alternative, it is only one. i am
    > sure there are many others that do not require faith. i just
    > wish morrissy would occasionally mention some of them in his
    > work.

    When I did listen to this song for the first time, that sounded so hard, like a word wich we don't want to say, cause maybe it will hurt someone. On the other hand I see Morrissey like "that poor twisted child", who wants a place in this world. Morrissey is deaf, shy, gay(please, there is nothing wrong, ok?). He does not have a family and a stable home. Millions of young people feel like Morrissey, and actually "they are like Morrissey", so that's why you see so much devotion, love, and people so touched. He is a hero, dressed in gold, who says to us: "Oh, hug me !!!!". But the most interesting thing is that every sensitive person, when listen to his songs, loves him... Like my mother (53 years old), who says: This fellow Morrissey is so beautiful and dear !!! She loves "Everyday is like sunday". ... Well, I confess that when I listen to those shouts in the midle of the song, it's like a knife !!!Anyway, Morrissey is a poor twisted child who became famous and one of the most import personalities of this century. Lord Byron was a poor twisted child as well, and we love him for his talent. And Oscar Wilde, James Dean, Van Gogh, Marylin Monroe, Tolouse L. T., Caravaggio, Michelangelo, ... Well, you know...
     
  3. hnia

    hnia Guest

    What the hell?

    > what is morrissey's music essentially about? what is the single
    > thread tying together morrissey's whole outlook? it is an
    > individual's inability to find love and recongnition in life,
    > whether that be from an other individual or from society. they
    > find themself's as outsiders, alone in the world; society simply
    > cannot or will not recongnise these peoples identity and needs.

    I really don't agree with what you are saying, I think you are simplifing Morrissey extensive catalogue to handful of songs.

    > people who don't like morrissey's music always say they find it
    > too depressing, but he cannot help that, the people he writes
    > about will always lead unhappy lives. yet others who come to
    > morrissey's music find it a profoundly consoling experience.why?
    > because they identify their lives with the lives of the
    > characters in his lyrics. and this is why morrissey inspires
    > love, devotion and worship stronger that any other figure in
    > popular music. he acts as a substitute form of recongnition from
    > that of society. and maybe morrissey has even saved lives for
    > this reason.

    > now i want to bring in november spawned a monster and get too
    > the point of this piece. the figure in this song is a child of
    > suffering, a twisted and ugly woman. she will never know
    > happiness like other people; never will she be able to enter the
    > social roles that the majority take for granted - love,
    > marriage, motherhood, a sucssesful carrer - and even trying will
    > only end in her humiliation. so if there is no alternative to
    > these, if there is nothing higher, then she is lost, absolutly
    > lost. all she has is her pride and inner dignity, but all that
    > society can offer her is pity,and for pride, there's no greater
    > posion than pity. so what can she do? where can she go? well,
    > she could spent her life in and out of doctors surgerys or on
    > psychiatrist couches, popping pills and taking advise; but this
    > would only be an expiedient to ease her suffering; it will never
    > help her find meaning for her life. so what should she do? where
    > should she go?

    She fails into his arms. Hug me oh, hug me. He replaces pity with love. He empathizes with her situation by understanding that her life is unusual. It reminds me of the Katherine Dunn novel "Geek Love." You should check it out.

    > as i said earlier, morrissey acts as a subtitute recongnition
    > for people (most people who love morrissey will use him in this
    > sense during difficult periods in their lives). in this sense he
    > is similar to christianity, in that they both attract the
    > anguished and offer substitute forms of recongnition to that of
    > society's; but, and this is my critisism of morrissey, in
    > christianity, the individual not only finds recongnition of
    > himself, he also gains a prodiguos hope ( eternal life)and a new
    > qualitive meaning to their life. morrissey on the other hand,
    > offer only a negative recongnition. he speaks generally of
    > unhappy lives, and people will see their own lives reflected in
    > his lyrics, and this is the problem: the only reflection they
    > see is their own loneliness, dissapointments and failurs, and as
    > i said earlier, if their are no alternatives, then for the child
    > in november spawned a monster (and god know's, where must be
    > ten's of thousands of people like her in society) it will only
    > mean her undoing. for her and others like her, whether they be
    > deformed, ugly, crippled by shyness...coming to morrissey will
    > only mean to remain in suffering, dissapointment and a life of
    > despair. in short morrissey only ever offers descriptions, never
    > perscriptions. he is a philoshophical and spiritual deadend.

    Not hardly, empathy and understanding is hardly a philosophical deadend. Morrissey does not need to peach the gospel or find Christian muses to inspire him. I appreciate your Morrissey post, but your heading down a deadend,yourself!

    > when i say christianity is an alternative, it is only one. i am
    > sure there are many others that do not require faith. i just
    > wish morrissy would occasionally mention some of them in his
    > work.

    Morrissey has "yes I am Blind" Good Christians, they want to kill you and your life has not even begun...
     
  4. Mimi

    Mimi Guest

    > When I did listen to this song for the first time, that sounded
    > so hard, like a word wich we don't want to say, cause maybe it
    > will hurt someone. On the other hand I see Morrissey like
    > "that poor twisted child", who wants a place in this
    > world. Morrissey is deaf

    Hey, since when - did I miss something??? Oh you're not thinking of that hearing aid he used to wear are you??

    shy, gay(please, there is nothing
    > wrong, ok?). He does not have a family

    yeap he does!

    and a stable home.

    Oh he DOES, it's on the sunny side of town and in nice spanish style.... I bet it's cost him the equivalent of my lifetime's wages...

    > Millions of young people feel like Morrissey, and actually
    > "they are like Morrissey", so that's why you see so
    > much devotion, love, and people so touched. He is a hero,
    > dressed in gold, who says to us: "Oh, hug me !!!!".
    > But the most interesting thing is that every sensitive person,
    > when listen to his songs, loves him... Like my mother (53 years
    > old), who says: This fellow Morrissey is so beautiful and dear
    > !!! She loves "Everyday is like sunday". ... Well, I
    > confess that when I listen to those shouts in the midle of the
    > song, it's like a knife !!!Anyway, Morrissey is a poor twisted
    > child who became famous and one of the most import personalities
    > of this century. Lord Byron was a poor twisted child as well,
    > and we love him for his talent. And Oscar Wilde, James Dean, Van
    > Gogh, Marylin Monroe, Tolouse L. T., Caravaggio, Michelangelo,
    > ... Well, you know...

    Well I agree with some of what you say. I believe though that the quintessence of Morrissey's art originated back in the days when he was still a depressed teenager, locked up in his bedroom. He rose from the state of a misunderstood genius to fame and fortune and being the spokesperson for all those who still felt misunderstood. However, he's changed his way of living a great deal since and I'm sure a lot of the things that applied then do not apply anymore today. But his words still circle around the same old feelings and it's okay because that's what he stands for..... It still seems strangely honest. He'll tell you of some strange character yet you'll know that he's actually talking about himself. I'm not one of those that is annoyed by Morrissey repeating himself because that's just what he's about..... or can anyone imagine him singing a song about...errr.....I dunno....well, something else than what he does????
     
  5. Cinderella

    Cinderella Guest

    You MUST practice...this HAS to be a big, big joke...

    Morrissey is intelligent, attractive, witty, arrogant, stylish, talented, successful and very, very, rich. I believe he adores his mother (and what is ones mother if not family?)..you portray him as some snivelling, shell of a looser and a right proper misery...He's a fuggin entertainer and a very good one at that!

    You think THAT of him and take THAT from his songs? Gee you must REALLY be splashing on way too much Excession for Dorks of a morning. Sheesh!
     
  6. somnium

    somnium Guest

    > Hey, since when - did I miss something??? Oh you're not thinking
    > of that hearing aid he used to wear are you??

    > shy, gay(please, there is nothing

    > yeap he does!

    > and a stable home.

    > Oh he DOES, it's on the sunny side of town and in nice spanish
    > style.... I bet it's cost him the equivalent of my lifetime's
    > wages...

    > Well I agree with some of what you say. I believe though that
    > the quintessence of Morrissey's art originated back in the days
    > when he was still a depressed teenager, locked up in his
    > bedroom. He rose from the state of a misunderstood genius to
    > fame and fortune and being the spokesperson for all those who
    > still felt misunderstood. However, he's changed his way of
    > living a great deal since and I'm sure a lot of the things that
    > applied then do not apply anymore today. But his words still
    > circle around the same old feelings and it's okay because that's
    > what he stands for..... It still seems strangely honest. He'll
    > tell you of some strange character yet you'll know that he's
    > actually talking about himself. I'm not one of those that is
    > annoyed by Morrissey repeating himself because that's just what
    > he's about..... or can anyone imagine him singing a song
    > about...errr.....I dunno....well, something else than what he
    > does????

    Well Mimi... Let me read that again and then I reply you, ok? See you...
     
  7. Alan Paulk

    Alan Paulk Guest

    > You MUST practice...this HAS to be a big, big joke...

    > Morrissey is intelligent, attractive, witty, arrogant, stylish,
    > talented, successful and very, very, rich. I believe he adores
    > his mother (and what is ones mother if not family?)..you portray
    > him as some snivelling, shell of a looser and a right proper
    > misery...He's a fuggin entertainer and a very good one at that!

    > You think THAT of him and take THAT from his songs? Gee you must
    > REALLY be splashing on way too much Excession for Dorks of a
    > morning. Sheesh!

    Disregard my earlier post, I see the problem now- it is isolated among only a few people, including Cinderella and GreaseTea. Yes, they are the equivalent of teenagers throwing rocks at windows. It became apparent while reading this thread that there are good, productive conversations happening on this board, and Cinderalla's addition is only a little graffiti spray painted in a corner. Its a shame that such people- who have at least some glimmer of talent in the writing department, should waste their efforts on such destructive idleness, and give this message board a bad name.
     
  8. Cinderella

    Cinderella Guest

    Re: a critique of critics

    Patronising, presumptous, deterministic, small minded...didn't you hear graffiti is an art form? I'm not the one ascribing horrible meanings to morrisseys songs snappy! Just because my tone is more ascerbic than whinging don't mean my points are less valid.

    Who are you to dictate the tone of the board? It takes all sorts, for instance (and I am not just saying this for effect) I think you are a fuc.king idiot but that don't mean I think you should go away!
     
  9. somnium

    somnium Guest

    > Hey, since when - did I miss something??? Oh you're not thinking
    > of that hearing aid he used to wear are you??

    > shy, gay(please, there is nothing

    > yeap he does!

    > and a stable home.

    > Oh he DOES, it's on the sunny side of town and in nice spanish
    > style.... I bet it's cost him the equivalent of my lifetime's
    > wages...

    > Well I agree with some of what you say. I believe though that
    > the quintessence of Morrissey's art originated back in the days
    > when he was still a depressed teenager, locked up in his
    > bedroom. He rose from the state of a misunderstood genius to
    > fame and fortune and being the spokesperson for all those who
    > still felt misunderstood. However, he's changed his way of
    > living a great deal since and I'm sure a lot of the things that
    > applied then do not apply anymore today. But his words still
    > circle around the same old feelings and it's okay because that's
    > what he stands for..... It still seems strangely honest. He'll
    > tell you of some strange character yet you'll know that he's
    > actually talking about himself. I'm not one of those that is
    > annoyed by Morrissey repeating himself because that's just what
    > he's about..... or can anyone imagine him singing a song
    > about...errr.....I dunno....well, something else than what he
    > does????

    Right... I'm not an expert about Morrissey private's life, so if I said something wich is not truth, sorry. But when I say stable home I'm not talking about his house in LA... And the more his life is different now, his words show me that he still feels like an ugly duck. I realize that Morrissey who sang "Still Ill" is not the same who can sing "National Front Disco", but his inner universe is still full of pain. I remember an old review about "Maladjusted", and they said: "Here comes Morrissey again, full of self pity."... I'm not able to know what's on his mind, but if he still sings about pain, I presume that's how he feels inside. What more can se sing? I have no idea,but one thing I say: If Van Gough would paint like Renoir, I would not love him.
     
  10. LOLA

    LOLA Guest

    Re: a house or a home

    > and a stable home.
    > Oh he DOES, it's on the sunny side of town and in nice spanish
    > style....

    He has a house, several I've heard, but does he have home?
     
  11. somnium

    somnium Guest

    Re: a house or a home

    > He has a house, several I've heard, but does he have home?

    In fact, that's my point of view. Besides, no matter where you go or what you do, some "things" will follow you forever. I know he is able to be funny, cause he is not a stupid, but I've got a feeling that he feels ... Well, sometimes we say "a word" and people can not understand us, but he feels so sad inside. There is something about his soul...
     
  12. Mimi

    Mimi Guest

    Re: do we know??

    > In fact, that's my point of view. Besides, no matter where you
    > go or what you do, some "things" will follow you
    > forever. I know he is able to be funny, cause he is not a
    > stupid, but I've got a feeling that he feels ... Well, sometimes
    > we say "a word" and people can not understand us, but
    > he feels so sad inside. There is something about his soul...

    I think whether he considers his house a home or not is really not up to us to judge.... After all no matter how each one of us thinks they know him - noone does! But what I was trying to say earlier on is that the things he writes about certainly express feelings he has, but they mustn't necessarely give a general overview of his life you know?? Yes he does feel lonely and he always will, but it's certainly become a lot better (as I think he said himself a couple of times). I write stuff myself and I can say from my own experience that sometimes you feel like you HAVE to write this particular thought or feeling down RIGHT NOW because it's valid - but that doesn't mean it's on your mind 24 hours a day.... Okay.... what is my point....oh yeah: I mean that we shouldn't read too much into his songs you know. We should look for individual meanings they have to our own lives and not think that what is in there is ultimately "Morrissey". That's what art or an artist is about: surely the nature of the art is rooted in the character, lifestyle, history etc. of the artist, but after all it's just art and it's meant to be interpreted to fit everyone's life.
     
  13. somnium

    somnium Guest

    Re: do we know??

    > I think whether he considers his house a home or not is really
    > not up to us to judge.... After all no matter how each one of us
    > thinks they know him - noone does! But what I was trying to say
    > earlier on is that the things he writes about certainly express
    > feelings he has, but they mustn't necessarely give a general
    > overview of his life you know?? Yes he does feel lonely and he
    > always will, but it's certainly become a lot better (as I think
    > he said himself a couple of times). I write stuff myself and I
    > can say from my own experience that sometimes you feel like you
    > HAVE to write this particular thought or feeling down RIGHT NOW
    > because it's valid - but that doesn't mean it's on your mind 24
    > hours a day.... Okay.... what is my point....oh yeah: I mean
    > that we shouldn't read too much into his songs you know. We
    > should look for individual meanings they have to our own lives
    > and not think that what is in there is ultimately
    > "Morrissey". That's what art or an artist is about:
    > surely the nature of the art is rooted in the character,
    > lifestyle, history etc. of the artist, but after all it's just
    > art and it's meant to be interpreted to fit everyone's life.

    Yes, I know. When I put my eyes on his video "Alma Matters" and I see that splendorous dofeful light, I think: "My paintings are like that". ... I mean, that's my world, wether I like or not. When I teached painting for children who were suffering from cancer, I saw poor twisted children around me, and they were angels. They just wanted me to accept them... Not judge them. And now I understand, and I realize that when a person is in pain, or when they are poor twisted children, they do not want our pity... They just want to make part of this world.
     
  14. Re: do we know??

    > They just want to
    > make part of this world.

    but that is my point, they never will.and if there's nothing other than this world then all will ever get is pity.

    i'm glad to have started a real discussion for once; it is so much better than abuse.
     
  15. eh? spit that again.
     
  16. > Disregard my earlier post, I see the problem now- it is isolated
    > among only a few people, including Cinderella and GreaseTea.
    > Yes, they are the equivalent of teenagers throwing rocks at
    > windows. It became apparent while reading this thread that there
    > are good, productive conversations happening on this board, and
    > Cinderalla's addition is only a little graffiti spray painted in
    > a corner. Its a shame that such people- who have at least some
    > glimmer of talent in the writing department, should waste their
    > efforts on such destructive idleness, and give this message
    > board a bad name.

    thanks mate! i would have liked to have entered this disscussion a bit more myself but, alas, i'm on nigthshift this week, which means i spent all day in bed and all nigth at work.

    you criticize cinderella and greasetea, but what else do you expect from a pair of dumb blondes - philoshophy?! i don't think so.

    i'm going back to bed now.goodnight...er, day sorry
     
  17. Mimi

    Mimi Guest

    Re: do we know??

    > but that is my point, they never will.and if there's nothing
    > other than this world then all will ever get is pity.

    I don't have pity for handicapped or suffering simply because I think they don't need it and, most importantly, they don't want it! I find that people who have to stand up to those tests often have so much more strength and dignity than others. Those who are "okay" physically and mentally often take life for granted... I feel sorry though for those who have self-pity (handicapped or "healthy") because that's about the worst disease there is to deal with....

    > i'm glad to have started a real discussion for once; it is so
    > much better than abuse.

    That is so and absolutely true!!
     
  18. somnium

    somnium Guest

    Re: do we know?? "YOU'RE THE DEVIL IN DISGUISE"

    > I think whether he considers his house a home or not is really
    > not up to us to judge.... After all no matter how each one of us
    > thinks they know him - noone does! But what I was trying to say
    > earlier on is that the things he writes about certainly express
    > feelings he has, but they mustn't necessarely give a general
    > overview of his life you know?? Yes he does feel lonely and he
    > always will, but it's certainly become a lot better (as I think
    > he said himself a couple of times). I write stuff myself and I
    > can say from my own experience that sometimes you feel like you
    > HAVE to write this particular thought or feeling down RIGHT NOW
    > because it's valid - but that doesn't mean it's on your mind 24
    > hours a day.... Okay.... what is my point....oh yeah: I mean
    > that we shouldn't read too much into his songs you know. We
    > should look for individual meanings they have to our own lives
    > and not think that what is in there is ultimately
    > "Morrissey". That's what art or an artist is about:
    > surely the nature of the art is rooted in the character,
    > lifestyle, history etc. of the artist, but after all it's just
    > art and it's meant to be interpreted to fit everyone's life.

    That reminds me an episode of x files, where there is a beautiful guy who was "a real monster". His psychiatrist says: "Look at this mirror. What do you see? A monster? Let me tell you what I see: A handsome guy, pretty face and smile, beautiful brown eyes..." ... And the boy take out his disguise, showeing his real face... Actually a monster, and he says: "I can not be what I am not... Can't you understand?"... One more thing: I've got a house in the beach, and my neighbour there has a son with mental troubles, and his the most sweet good creature I ever saw. I feel it not for pity, but because I really like him. He was playing with my dog last week, he smiled to me a wonderful smile.
     
  19. Mimi

    Mimi Guest

    Re: "YOU'RE THE DEVIL IN DISGUISE"...oh yes you a-hare...

    > That reminds me an episode of x files, where there is a
    > beautiful guy who was "a real monster". His
    > psychiatrist says: "Look at this mirror. What do you see? A
    > monster? Let me tell you what I see: A handsome guy, pretty face
    > and smile, beautiful brown eyes..." ... And the boy take
    > out his disguise, showeing his real face... Actually a monster,
    > and he says: "I can not be what I am not... Can't you
    > understand?"... One more thing: I've got a house in the
    > beach, and my neighbour there has a son with mental troubles,
    > and his the most sweet good creature I ever saw. I feel it not
    > for pity, but because I really like him. He was playing with my
    > dog last week, he smiled to me a wonderful smile.

    I seriously depresses me to read that....
    Not because of the truth in it but because it makes me realise that this is one episode of the xfiles that I never saw :-(
     
  20. Re: Can't resist a serious point.

    > Yes, I know. When I put my eyes on his video "Alma
    > Matters" and I see that splendorous dofeful light, I think:
    > "My paintings are like that". ... I mean, that's my
    > world, wether I like or not. When I teached painting for
    > children who were suffering from cancer, I saw poor twisted
    > children around me, and they were angels. They just wanted me to
    > accept them... Not judge them. And now I understand, and I
    > realize that when a person is in pain, or when they are poor
    > twisted children, they do not want our pity... They just want to
    > make part of this world.

    That pity stems from our own arrogant belief that our own situations are somehow 'better', ok cancer may be a bad example for what I am about to say. But take, for example, the deaf community, hearing people tend to feel sorry for the deaf and feel that signing is a substitute for the spoken english language...IT IS NOT...BSL, is a language in it's own right and a very expressive and beautiful language at that.

    I personally believe it is wrong to place cochlia implants into deaf children...This is a decision which can and should only be made by the individual concerned. Deafness is not a deformity, but rather, a different way of life/lifestyle.

    I once knew a boy who was dying of a crippling disease, and he would often express that his life was better because he knew he was dying...he said that we were all dying but because he had been forced to accept it, he really enjoyed himself. He also said that people who were so busy feeling sorry for him may well have worse day to day lives and at the end of the day die before him...Like the non-terminally ill act like they are imortal! After all we are all gonna die and is uncertainty of the time better or worse than being prepared and having the perspective and the chance to see and do the things you wanna do?
     
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