2012 albums, your faves so far

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  1. Qvist

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    Good heavens, what will it be next.

    I think you can probably assume that we disagree radically on that point.

    Go on, knock yourself out. And a nice day to you too.
     
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  2. Qvist

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    Oh, I'm not asking for originality or anything. It's just certain harmonics and a certain type of glossy production sets off my Michael Learns to Rock sensors and mobilise my musical contempt centers. It's all pointlessly subjective. Much like discussing music, unfortunately. Anyway, thanks for not being a sour puss about having a couple of your fave records spoken of in unflattering tones.

    cheers
     
  3. Worm

    Worm Taste the diffidence

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    Not to worry, you know I respect your opinion. :)

    At this point, these indie bands are six of one, half a dozen of the other. You're going to like some and not others, I'll like others and not some. To be honest, it's all splitting hairs, wouldn't you agree? Not just because of the subjectivity of musical taste, but because these bands simply do not inspire that kind of hardcore loyalty. It's not the same kind of tribal conflict. Arguing between Best Coast and Daytrader is hardly the same thing as going to war over Iron Maiden versus The Mekons. Dum Dum Girls or Vivian Girls. Who cares?

    I probably sound as if my expectations for new music are pretty much rock-bottom. I do like and appreciate new guitar pop, I just don't get passionate about such bands.
     
  4. Qvist

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    No, I don't either. Well, not the ones I like, anyway. :) I do think really things are more or less reducible to quite marginal and very subjective things. Like harmonics - some I like, some I just don't. Like Nirvana - totally and instantly recognisable harmonic signature, never worked for me. Which means it's often about having the right buttons pushed, or the wrong ones. Which does make it pretty pointless to talk about. Not that it's like that with all music of course, but you see what I mean (I suspect).
     
  5. Worm

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    I do know what you mean, but I would go further and say that-- often, though not always-- bands only become truly interesting when you get past harmonics and enter different areas normally associated with other kinds of art. Ideas matter. PiL's "Metal Box" doesn't make my ears "happy" the way Best Coast does, in a manner of speaking, but "Metal Box" is ten times more arresting because of the ideas with which Lydon infused the record, the sheer strangeness and inventiveness of the music and the lyrics. I wouldn't call them "ideas", per se, just a sensibility that seems alien to most pop records and yet right at home in the weird sonic world he and his bandmates created.

    Maybe all music is just a matter of sounds and harmonics, but I don't think so. It can expand and burst categories. That's why it's worth talking about.

    Nirvana never struck a chord with me, either, because I never heard any ideas behind the music. The point of Cobain's art was its angry incoherence, and I don't truck with that. The band was undeniably solid, however.
     
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    I wonder if the darkness alongside the "sunny sound" has anything to do with the sadness of indirect nostalgia ? As Best Coasts tones inevitably summon up " ... early 60s ,surf, California..." , ( which isn't to reduce it to just pastiche ), perhaps that backwards glance accounts for the plaintive quality ?

    I'm still unsure, oddly enough ...
     
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    This comment just made me laugh.
    Thank you for that.

    Also, It's so wrong and you to compare them to Friends.
    Best Coast, Heartbreaks, and Daytrader...are you tone deaf?
     
  8. Oh my god. it's Robby!

    Oh my god. it's Robby! spontaneously luminescent

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    thanks, will do Qv, now can we get back on task here
    which posting what you like
    rather than heaping scorn on what others do
    OK?
    thanks...
     
  9. Qvist

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    No, I am not tone deaf. And I'm sorry, but for me they evoke the very worst of nineties bubble gum commercial crap indie. If they work for you, fine.
     
  10. Qvist

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    Well, at least I confine myself to heaping scorn on records. I've already posted what I like, what more do you want?
     
  11. Qvist

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    Sure. As said, it's not like that with all music. But generally most of the things one could say are, I find, incommunicable, or not worth communicating. I used to assume that the things I thought were great about music I loved were accessible to anyone, if only they listened carefully (or let me explain it to them :) ). It's not like that of course. In practice, most of the things people have to say about music make little sense to me, even within a highly relativised context. I'm sure it's the same vice versa.
     
  12. Worm

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    Interesting. I don't find that to be true, actually. I can always listen to someone tell me what they like about a band (or just about any work of art) and find a way to hear it, or see it, or think it. I don't always agree, and sometimes I reject the remarks as unfounded or delusional, but I enjoy trying to work out what people get out of the stuff they like. Jazz is a great example. I like it in small quantities, on my own, but I'm almost as fascinated by hearing jazz fans talk about jazz as I am by the music itself. You start to hear music differently when people point things out to you. The same is true for films and books. Criticism is important, and in my view even casual fans explaining why they like music is a form of criticism which can be enlightening.
     
  13. Worm

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    Oh, for sure. It's definitely nostalgic. I think that's an apt comment. But there's also something related to that nostalgia, which is the idea of California as a brand. Southern California has been globally marketed since the Sixties and in the last few decades it's gotten even more intense. Bethany Cosentino's music sounds like it's nostalgic not for the "real" California but an earlier version of California's branding. There's a weird slippage; I don't hear a longing for authentic California, exactly. More like a longing for a less inauthentic version. But her songs are mostly about relationships, so there isn't a lot of overt, postmodern nostalgia in play here. It's just good, lo-fi, SoCal pop with a touch of angst. The plaintive quality is pure southern California: how can I be unhappy in paradise?
     
  14. Oh my god. it's Robby!

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    fair enough :straightface:
     
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    I'd rather choice more albums but only two artists released something really good. My first choice is Cohen's Old Ideas and The second one is Heartbreaks' Fun Times. The rest is just garbage!
     
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    All the new releases I bought so far have been great.

    And One have been really putting out the work in 2012 with four e.ps and a fulllength.
    S.T.O.P link has the snippets. I'm a wee bit obsessed with them. The treibwerk ep and S.T.O.P both feature Douglas Mccarthy of nitzer ebb. Eskil Simmonson of Covenant is on the treibwerk ep.

    Peter Heppner finally released a followup to Solo.
    My Heart of Stone
    It's very lovely and his voice is still amazing.

    O. Children's Apnea is great. It's not as thrilling as their first album but solidly good.

    Aesop Rock's skelethon isn't out until July. The single is awesome.
    Zero Dark Thirty so i'm sure I'll be posting about it next month. :D
     
  18. Oh my god. it's Robby!

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    I too like the new And One stuff :)
     
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    I like it very much too. It grows slowly but surely.
     
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    only played 5 tracks on youtube so far, like them all so far, especially
     
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