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Dresden cancelled, because of the venue Schlachthof (slaughterhouse)?
Posted on Mon, Oct 18 1999 at 8:19 a.m. PDT
by David T. <[email protected]>
From Disappointed Lifeguards:

Here it is again. We hated the words the disappointed fans used regarding LAS VEGAS... now we know better... the ticket-sell went a bit bad in Dresden, as we know. But the reason to cancel a show 4 hours before beginning must be a joke: MOZ doesn't want to play a concert in a place called "Schlachthof" (slaughterhouse) because he's a hardcore-vegetarian? What about us? Did we choose these awful names of the locations he's playing? And if that's the reason (what we still can't believe) why didn't he cancel earlier? The place's name didn't change in the last decade, we suppose... phrases like "hold on to your friends" & "defending your name.." these songs YOU sing - they're not suppose to mean a thing!

SUNRISE posted the news that the tickets for Dresden might be valid for the Leipzig gig. "Haus Auensee" sounds better we hope, Elvis...

From Tina:

I just called the "Schlachthof" in Dresden, because I wanted to travel there.... Monday 11:30 a.m.

The guy whom I was talking to said, THAT MORRISSEY WILL NOT PLAY. he told me he cancelled the show, because he is vegetarian. The venue once was a place where animals were slain... (alter Schlachthof)

I´m desperate!!! This is no joke !!!

Does anybody know anything ???

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i hat eto say this guys,but this is really hypocritical,morrissey played club rio,which 3 huors prior to the show was a bbq steak house..i feel real bad for al you fans in germany..

small arms flailing <%00>
%00 - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 08:45:42 (PDT) | #1




What is wrong with Morrissey? This is just crazy. If Morrissey is so "hardcore" vegetarian, maybe he should stop wearing leather shoes and buying leather couches. I fail to see how wearing animal skin is any less "murderous" than eating animal flesh. Morrissey needs to take a course in logic.

shelley <[email protected]>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 09:06:54 (PDT) | #2




Moz, I hope the same doesn't happen with the British dates. Your country cannot wait to see you.
By the way, I don't believe he didn't play in Dresden because of the slaughterhouse stuff.
And, another thing. Why does not the press ask him clever things about politics or current affair, the way it used to be in the 80s?

Claude <[email protected]>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 09:09:39 (PDT) | #3




I would imagine that Morrissey's agent does the bookings for the shows. I know this I work in the entertainment industry. I would imagine that the translation of the venue's name into English is not in the contract. Let's give some benefit of doubt would Morrissey really book the venue knowing what the facility was in a former life knowing that he would go to that city mearly to cancel hours before the show was to go up? Causing uproar and people with empty lives to come on the internet later to whine about his moral choices...I think not.

By the way, Shelley, I've been a vegetarian for close to ten years now and I where leather, mearly because there is no other product on the market that comes close to the quality of bloody animal hides. However, I never, EVER, by new leather products, only used. Therefore I'm not supporting the industry. Besides which leather is an animal by-product, they don't slaughter cattle for their hides. They kill them for the meat. The hides are a by-product. I'm certain that Morrissey feels and does the same thing.

Also, Shelley Sweetness, How do you know that Morrissey furnishes with leather couches and such?
You must be awful close to him to be invited into his home like that to grace one of his cattle couches...tell me, what colour are they? Also, if you're that close to Morrissey you would fully understand why he cancelled. He is human, mistakes happen.

Now, Shelley, sit down and keep your hands off the computer keyboard unless you have something thought out and intelligent to say. Or you shall be forced to feel the wrath of James again.

Good Night, No Thank-You.

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 09:33:00 (PDT) | #4




Yes James I agree with your statement.....and I
too am getting very tired of this dry,
wishes-she-had-wit, and very unattractive(I saw
her at a show) Shelley......She is so
tired.....Shelley do yourself a favor and stop
making a fool of yourself. You spout off about
everything that you can get your two cents
into....enough is enough, and your end came long
ago dear.....

Tired of ugly old Shelley <[email protected]>
La Jolla - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 09:54:55 (PDT) | #5




OOoooohhhh noooo, not the wrath of James!!!! Anything would be better than experiencing that!! I promise we won't do it again James. Please forgive her for being so idiotic. Let's all bow down to James who is so intelligent and all knowing. He's the only one that is really qualified to state an OPINION at this site. Ohhhh, if only all postings were from James, then we would finally have world peace.

Felix Unger
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 09:56:19 (PDT) | #6




Oh Lord. You film Alma Matters in a slaughterhouse, yet cancel a show that affects the travel plans of many people....

Suzanne
the dentist's office - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:00:17 (PDT) | #7




Suzanne: Beware!!! The wrath of James will be upon you next for such remarks---heed his warning he gave to Shelley (poor thing). He's in the entertainment industry and is all knowing you know. Keep plenty of dental instruments and devices handy in case James' wrath should try to creep up on you. Oh noooo, I think I see James' wrath now!!!!

Felix Unger
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:06:20 (PDT) | #8




Just have some sense, you guys. It's perfectly natural what happened. Totally understandable. No one would like it happening to them, but what do you want to do?! The tickets seem to be valid for another show, and that's what matters if you REALLY want to see Morrissey. It's unfortunate about the trip, but it's not the end of the world... yet! Love and hate really don't go together...

Mr. W.H.
Portugal - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:21:09 (PDT) | #9




Perhaps this tour should have been called 'Shambles' (another word for a slaughter-house). Once again we can see that Morrissey's attitude to his fans is flagrantly contemptuous - and therefore utterly contemptible. At least, those who slaughtered the animals didn't purport to love them all. As an artist, Morrissey may have much to offer, but as a person, he is less than admirable.

R
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:55:38 (PDT) | #10




This is quite laughable. I can't believe that Moz would cancel a show over such a petty thing. There HAS to be another reason behind the cancellation....if there isn't one then I find this one of the most appalling things I have ever heard! If Moz doesn't want to be in a place where animals were killed then he's really out of luck. This world is full of horror and by pissing his fans off like this, it doesn't help things one bit. I wasn't planning to go to the German show, but Moz, I gotta say, I'm really disappointed in you.

Jenna <[email protected]>
New Jersey - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 11:33:09 (PDT) | #11




I am one of the fans who was happy to go to Dresden tonight. I thankfully got warned through this site before heading off. My god: Which place other than a slaughterhouse could possibly be more effective for a song like ‘Meat Is Murder’ to be played at? But the fact that Morrissey cancelled this show due to those reasons only betrays how much he is beyond his fans. He’s so concerned about his own interests that he would never get the idea to think about how much (not only money, but also time – I myself missed three important dates today) his fans are ready to invest for him. Morrissey didn’t save any animal tonight in not doing this show. Debatable if with this he added to his reputation as an honourable artist either! Let’s face it: He doesn’t know a thing about our lives!

J <.>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 11:57:21 (PDT) | #12




I've also heard that Moz has a leather couch. I'm not sure if the source is reliable though.

bosie <wouldn'[email protected]>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 12:24:47 (PDT) | #13




I think too many fans let their lives revolve around every single move Morrissey makes. Stop expecting so much from a guy who is past his prime and doesn't really care and maybe you all won't be so disappointed the next time he does something like this.

John "Jake" Cronin
Countryside (Clearwater) Florida - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 12:52:30 (PDT) | #14




I wouldn't fancy some of you lot on the jury if I was ever in court. Let's wait for the full facts before passing judgement.
I don't know what this place in Dresden is like but it's one thing to be an ex-slaughterhouse, being called Slaughterhouse implies the owners are proud of the buildings past. Does anyone know what this place looked like inside?
Morrissey has pulled out of bigger gigs than this on principle, surely his willingness to foresake financial rewards because of his beliefs are part of his attraction.

Smilingontim <[email protected]>
Rotherham.England - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 13:41:16 (PDT) | #15




Aren't hot dogs by-product
"Meat is Murder, Leather is Cool"

Javier
Los Angeles - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 13:49:20 (PDT) | #16




It's alright Morrissey standing by his principles for animals ,things like cows,sheep
and pigs but I bet he eats vegetables and salad
and things with corn in like bread......so let me
tell you this Morrissey...............PLANTS
HAVE FEELINGS TOO YOU KNOW !!!

BOB FLEMING
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 14:00:33 (PDT) | #17




Smilingontim,

Financial rewards? What financial rewards? Moz is playing in venues that seat less than 1000 people. And how many of those are actually selling out?

By the way, great draw for the Euro 2000 playoff.
I'm definately going to try to find an English pub around here to catch the games. Go England!

"Jake"
Countryside (Clearwater) Florida - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 14:04:15 (PDT) | #18




Thank you Morrissey!
This only makes me love you even more and if those sad germans cannot understand it then that's their problem.
It's one thing to follow you and sing your songs and another to share the beliefs you have, this only goes to show how some "fans" are too stupid for you!
ROCK ON!!!!!

Keano
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 14:17:43 (PDT) | #19




I am a Belgian. I speek Flemish. When an english speeking person hears Flemish, he'd think it's the most awful and scary language in the world. Still, even in my language, there isn't one word as horrendous as 'SCHLACHTHOF'... I mean, who gives a concert hall such a name? Dear Adolf himself? Anyway, I'd just like to say that this cancelation is exactly what I expected from Morrissey...I read the name of this hall on morrisseytour.com yesterday and thought to myself: 'how can Morrissey perform in a slaughterhouse?'... I mean; you could see this one coming from miles away! Great decision, Moz, glad to see you still are yourself and for all who missed out tonight; just go to that other show and stop crying.

Sunny Jim

p.s. the loyalty of some fans is terribly fragile, I must say...

sunny jim
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 14:43:04 (PDT) | #20




Sunny Jim,

What do you mean the "the loyalty of some fans is fragile"? It's losers like you that treat the realm of Morrissey like a freaking cult! "Fans" enjoy his music and want to see him perform. Is Morrissey so far above anyone else that he is exempt from any type of criticism. NO WAY!!! If Morrissey is God in your world that's your business. Just don't come on here and criticize other's opinions if they're not right in line with THE CULT'S!!!

"Jake"
Countryside (Clearwater) Florida - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 15:00:35 (PDT) | #21




Dear Jake,

as far as I know I haven't criticised anyone's opinions, I did say you could see it coming that Morrissey wasn't going to play in a venue called schlachterhof... if you didn't see that coming then I wonder if you even know who Morrissey is? Have you ever read his lyrics? Or do you just 'like to listen to the songs and see him perform', cause if so, you're missing the point, my friend!

Sunny Jim

p.s. Please react furiously, it's expected of you.

sunny jim
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 15:12:22 (PDT) | #22




I believe he really did cancel because of the name. It probably made him shut himself in his room and throw up and lie in bed for six hours, contemplating suicide. God, Morrissey is so SENSITIVE and SQUEAMISH.

the singing defective
the pit of hell - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 15:26:34 (PDT) | #23




"to be happy it is essential not to be concerned with others" -- Albert Camus.... Go Morrissey... you don't owe anybody anything!

How fickle some can be... Moz pipes out some 17 years of great music on many albums and numerous singles he misses a show and all of these suddenly hate him? As if he belongs to you and owes you his life? Get your own life and take these disappointments in stride.

malhomme <[email protected]>
Austin, Texas - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 16:07:01 (PDT) | #24




when I hear "Dresden" and "Slaughterhouse" in the same sentence I think Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Oh yeah!

Stark Ravingmad
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 16:21:46 (PDT) | #25




On one side glad for the responses: but the reason about cancelling the show yet still is a mystery. Although we knew the show was cancelled we went to the "slaughterhouse" (I still can't believe it...) we were told that MOZ was ILL (!!?!?!) and the tickets are valid for the show in Leipzig (Luna-Park - NOT House Auensee as postponed!!) - so what the hell is going on here? Will he be fit for Berlin as we were told (in one day after being so sick?)?!? Are the fans and the truth in front - or just the excuse for low ticket-sale (135 of 900!!)? To you wise "fans" out there: we'll hear from you if "your" show is cancelled that way...I'll promise...

disappointed lifeguards <[email protected]>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 17:20:52 (PDT) | #26




malhomme, great call! People seem to forget why they even care enough to come to this site daily.

Corey
Pennsylvania - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 17:30:07 (PDT) | #27




the reason for this cancellation is very simple, morrissey was not going to play to a crowd of 200 people,it is sort of almost embarassing..he cancelled the "slaughterhouse" show so that the shows could be consolidated and have a full house. less than 200 tickets sold? looks like on our hands we have a dead star....its ok..because we all still love you!! maybe he should have played the east coast in the united states...there would be a good idea..

? <%00>
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 17:50:27 (PDT) | #28




Well, I am sure we all think this is beyond ridicoulous. Though, I have to admit that the word "slaughter house" is a bit gruesome. Maybe he shouldn't have cancled the show, but then again...it's Morrissey. Isn't he known for pulling off stunts like this? I am sure he'll make up to everyone. Atleast I hope!

Eileen <[email protected]>
Miami, Fl. - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 18:09:57 (PDT) | #29




I'm sure the excuse of the venue being a slaughterhouse is calculated disinformation. It's so absurd when he filmed "Alma Matters" in a former meatpacking plant.

This Dresden cancellation smacks of the same ridiculous official excuse given when the 1994 shows at Carnegie Hall (NYC) and Grand Olympic (L.A.) were postponed and then ultimately cancelled. As early as April 1994, documentation existed that Morrissey did NOT want to play those shows. The promoters and Morrissey's management were trying to get him to reconsider, meanwhile lying to us that the reason why the April '94 shows were off/postponed was that "the band was not sufficiently rehearsed to Morrissey's satisfaction." What a crock. They had something like 9 months to rehearse if they had any intention of touring in support of Vauxhall & I! Morrissey had no control over what the promoters were saying. He later said he had no idea that the shows had even been booked. A lot of fans bitched and seemed to think quite naively that Morrissey controls every aspect of booking. Even a control freak can't handle all those things himself. So much for those petulant fans...

I don't think Morrissey would cancel just because of poor ticket sales. He has always put on the best shows to very small audiences - Petaluma and Portland were around only 200. And a smart promoter would extract the contractual obligations to play a show out of the performers' arses if they cancelled without due cause.

Maybe the cancellation is due to an emergency they don't feel comfortable in publicising. Anyone seen Alain lately? Best wishes for the next show! Berlin, is it?

BTW, Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut is one of his best!

unpopular music addict
a place in hell, southern California - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 18:19:30 (PDT) | #30




first off, i applaud JAMES, his argument was perfect. MORRISSEY won't let his fans down.

"what is essential is invisible to the eye."
the little prince, he is so sweet.

Morrissey knows best.
i guess being a fan can't be a hobby anymore.

from,just an avereage "CULT" member

danyale <[email protected]>
california - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 18:47:17 (PDT) | #31




MOZ DONT CARE NONE

THE BOY IS AN ALCOHOLIC
HE SHOWS UP AY MY BAR DOWNING MORE BOTTLES OF THAT FINE MEX BREW CORONA THAN I DARE SAY I CAN SHAKE A QUIFF AT

BY THE WAY HE DOES WEAR LEATHER AND NOT JUST IN SHOWS AND FURNITURE HA HA OH YES OLD MOZZER LIKES THE BEATIN GEAR

PEACE AND SEE ME AT MY BAR CAPTAIN BURTS, LA, CA

HOLD ONTO YOUR LIQUOR!

Captain Burt
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 19:00:11 (PDT) | #32




Hey, I don't hate Morrissey either...but if the proposed facts are true...he is horribley unprofessional. Regardless if someone is booking his shows, which is almost 100% certain, the person tending to his personal needs should be completely aware of his preferences and have complete regard of his personal beliefs, therefore avoiding the potential discrepancies. A booking agents (A/R) job is basically the job of a parent, protecting their artist from hidden dangers and looking out for their best interest. So Mozzer...your booking agent, really blew it and in turn you blew it. Yes, you're an artist who must express himself and support his personal views...avoiding his own hypocrisy...but when you take my money you're also a businessman...and when your goods and services miss the mark...you're accountable for the breach. I went to Vegas and I was completely understanding of the situation...but not playing a venue because it was a slaughterhouse? You still could have performed and announced your dismay...we would have understood. I really hope there is more to this story. Please reschedule Vegas...I will make the gamble once again...I'll even by you your first Corona.

Javier Obregon <[email protected]>
Montclair, CA - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 19:53:07 (PDT) | #33




Morrissey uses leather butt plugs and now all of a sudden he doesn't want to play a gig at a place called the slaughterhouse. What a hypocrite he turned out to be. MEAT IS MURDER!

Warren
Chespaw - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 21:27:17 (PDT) | #34




Why letter write? Don't you realize that the point of journalism is 1/10 truth and 9/10 trying to make the audience feel better about themselves for not having to be "those" people?

Suzanne
don't offend them or they won't read your advertisements for Deli meat - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 21:46:33 (PDT) | #35




this is bizarre. i thought I was responding to the british press thing. how did I get on this page?

Suzanne
still bored and looking for fun - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 21:48:13 (PDT) | #36




I and hundreds of other loyal Moz fans showed up at the Vegas show and inconveniently, Morrissey cancelled at the last minute 'cause Alan supposibly had back spasms. Security at the door told me that he broke his arm. I was thrown nothing but lies at the house of blues. Anyways, we all complained and shared our views. Most of you responded with such comments as, "quit whinning," or "you don't even deserve to see Morrissey."
Now, Morrissey has cancelled his "slaughterhouse" gig and most of you are writting upsetting comments that not only makes his touring reputation look bad, but now his views are being refered to as "hypocritical."

@#!!! ALL YOU MOZ FANS FOR BEING AS HYPOCRITICAL AS THE NEXT!!

DISSAPOINTED
L.A. - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 22:17:20 (PDT) | #37




If Morrissey cancelled on you, you'd whine too. Admit it! There's nothing wrong with whining.

steel eel
- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:03:17 (PDT) | #38




I began to work for the band the day the house of blues show got cancelled, let me tell you fans out there something there is alot of tension in this band, Alain has some kind of medical condition and is affraid of having a seizure.

******* Bands Roadie
Touring - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:04:22 (PDT) | #39




I began to work for the band the day the house of blues show got cancelled, let me tell you fans out there something there is alot of tension in this band, Alain has some kind of medical condition and is affraid of having a seizure.

******* Bands Roadie
Touring - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:06:31 (PDT) | #40




DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE THIS? THE REASON GIVEN (ALTHOUGH STILL SPECULATIVE) IS TRIPE. I STRONGLY SUSPECT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO TO THE TICKET SALES. THE DREAM IS OVER! THERE IS A BAR IN GOLDEN COLORADO NEAR ME THAT HAS CONCERTS ALL THE TIME. WE ALWAYS LAUGH HYSTERICALLY WHEN WE DRIVE BY AND SEE THE MARQUEE. IT IS ALWAYS BANDS LIKE "KANSAS", "BACHMAN TURNER OVERDRIVE", AND ASSORTED OTHERS THAT PLAYED TO TENS OF THOUSANDS 15-20 YEARS AGO. NOW THEY PLAY TO 200. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. IF YOU WERE MOZ, WHICH I'M CONVINCED MOST OF YOU THINK YOU ARE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE AND PLAY TO @150 PEOPLE?? I WOULD NOT. SOME OF YOU YOUNGER FANS MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT THE SMITHS USED TO SELL OUT 30-40,OOO SEAT VENUES. THAT IS ROUGHLY HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT HIS LAST CD WORLWIDE. I ALWAYS HOPED AND PRAYED MORRISSEY WOULD NEVER BECOME MY "KIETH RICHARDS" BUT THE EARLY SIGNS ARE SHOWING. I LOVE YOU MORRISSEY. YOU LITERALLY CHANGED (SAVED) MY LIFE. I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU. BUT PLEASE STOP. JUST MAKE SOME NEW MUSIC AND PLAY RANDOM "EXCLUSIVE SHOWS" AND GROW OLDE WITH ALL THE GRACE AND DIGNITY THAT YOU HAVE EXUDED SINCE "THIS CHARMING MAN" HIT THE AIRWAVES. I LOVE YOU- GREGG IN DENVER

goodbye to you my trusted friend
screaming with joy; mortally depressed - Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:23:31 (PDT) | #41




THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO LEATHER. ANYONE WHO SAYS THERE AREN'T IS LAZY OR IS JUST VEGETARIAN TO BE FASHIONABLE.

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS FAKE LEATHER THAT IS QUALITY AND FASHION. LOOKS THE SAME. THERE IS ALSO SOME OTHER VERY FASHIONABLE MATERIALS SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT. YOU PROBABLY READ THAT INTERVIEW WITH MOZ SAYING THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVES AND YOU THOUGH "OH, WELL IT MUST BE SO THEN".

HAWU
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 01:09:17 (PDT) | #42




I'd quite like to see Bachman Turner Overdrive. Where is this venue?

David T (a different one)
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 01:17:35 (PDT) | #43




Dear hawu,
fake leather products cause more damage to the enviroment(have you ever been to a plastic factory?)
Also, why all the complaints?? we all know what an unreliable old gadger mozzer is, you have to take these things into consideration when you book the tickets (not nice, but a sad fact widely known)

savalas <[email protected]>
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 01:41:50 (PDT) | #44




When Morrissey played Sheffield on the "In Person" tour the tickets had an offer for a free Big Mac on the back but he still played.

(Mind you there ain't much meat in a Maccy D's I suppose, hoof, lips and knackers but no meat!)

Simon
Cambridge, England - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 04:22:17 (PDT) | #45




Captain Burt:

Your first song was funny, but you are starting to fall off as far as the comedy goes.

Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 06:08:25 (PDT) | #46




Actually Captain Bert's first song
sucked too this one just sucks a lot
worse. I have a great idea for a poll!!
Why don't we all try and guess how many
concerts Morrissey will cancel on this tour.

A 2-4
B 5-7
c 8-10
D 11 or more
OOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

Warren
Chespaw. - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 07:18:19 (PDT) | #47




Maybe Moz refused to play to 200 people AND do it in a former abbatoir. The power of playing MEAT IS MURDER in such a place would be wasted on so few fans...but let's really stop second guessing and just crawl around inside Moz' brain like that film "Being John Malkovich".

Warren...you're ridiculous as usual..but always welcome.

jason
xooxo

Jason G. <[email protected]>
Toronto - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 07:48:49 (PDT) | #48




Actually that should have been 'abattoir'...
'Abbatoir' sounds like a place where Abba fans must go to be slaughtered (there's an idea..no, kidding).

jason
xooxo

Jason G. <[email protected]>
Toronto - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 07:51:39 (PDT) | #49




Warren:

When did you start listening to Morrissey given the fact that you are just 15? What appealed to you about his music? Did you listen to the Smiths as well? I actually started listening to his music (The Smiths then) when I was in 8th grade, which was back in 1984. Just curious to see what the younger fans like about him nowadays. My guess is that he will cancel between 2-4 shows this tour.

Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 07:54:00 (PDT) | #50




I started listening to Moz/Smiths when i was
10. When I look back its kinda of funny I listened to them at that age but its not like there was anything good on the radio back then.
I lived in Tampa Florida when I was in 5th grade
and my best friend at the time Garrett Cronin got
me in to them the funny thing is I heard he admitted to being gay!! Oh well, obviously I don't talk to him any more. And Garrett if you still like Morrissey and are out there and read this don't contact me (ha)!!!!! ouTTTTTTTTTTT!

Warren
Chespaw. - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 08:26:14 (PDT) | #51




Maybe Moz canceled the show because he heard that Johnny was having a rave party down the street and everybody was headed over there to eat pills and dance to electronic music!

Dent
Strangeways - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 08:29:59 (PDT) | #52




Listen. I played in a band, and all four of us are vegan (ie. no dairy, leather, etc). When we toured Germany, we played in a Schlachtof in Bremen. I think cancelling a show because of that, if that is indeed the case, is utterly ridiculous. Where better to make a political statement (ie.Meat is Murder) than in a former slaughterhouse? We knew it meant 'slaughterhouse', and used it to our advantage. And whoever said that fake leather products are worse for the evironment snould get their head checked. Hmmm... let's see... with options like Deja shoes (made of recycled products), they MUST produce more pollution than a bunch of cows producing more nitrous oxide than I care to think about. I mean, really...millions of cows relieving themselves is one of the major reasons for global warming, and the hole(s) in the ozone layer. I'm serious. I love frickin' Moz as much as anyone, but I think that if indeed the concert was cancelled for that reason, that's really sad. And if he decides to distance himself from meat-eating band members, I'm SO there as vegan drummer! (he he he)
Cheers,
Ben

Painted Thin
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 08:47:45 (PDT) | #53




Garrett Cronin is not gay, please.

Ryan Bertrand
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 08:48:10 (PDT) | #54




Friends and Fans of Morrissey,

My name is Garrett Cronin and I happen to be friends with "Warren" and it is time for this charade to end. "Warren" is not a 14 year old troubled youth! He is a 28 year old young sales professional in the wholesale computer industry. His actual name is John Cronin but he goes by Jake. Jake, aka Warren, is a highly intelligent and energetic Smiths/Morrissey fan who probaby knows more about the subject than most of you combined. His eccentric sense of humor has driven his uncontrolable urge to mess you guys (all in good faith, I'd like to add) for the last couple months. And no, he and I are not brothers.

I hope this once and for all ends the speculation and for the record....I am not myself gay!

Thanks for your time.

Garrett Cronin
Clearwater, Florida - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:25:50 (PDT) | #55




DEAR BEN, PAINTED THIN
I will take into account that you are a drummer and therefore ignore your crass stupidity! but get yourself the following books in this order...
HOW THINGS WORK..THE RECYCLING PLANT
HOW THINGS WORK..THE ATOM POWERED ELECTRICITY PLANT
HOW THINGS WORK..THE DUMPING OF TOXIC WASTE

savalas <[email protected]>
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 10:18:09 (PDT) | #56




Garrett Cronin:

ARe you the same twit that was having a Hurricane party with all the stray animals in your neighborhood? Was anyone stupid enough to show up and pay 3 bucks for bread and lettuce to feed these scavengers? And didn't you have a reading room (the "quiet" area) next to the other room where the "dancing" was going to take place. What kind of psycho get together is that? Did Warren show up?

Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 10:30:10 (PDT) | #57




Look guys I totally respect your comments but if Morrissey didn't play at "Schlachthof" it must of been for a good reason so get off his back I'm sure he gets enough horrible comments from the press. I feel for the people who didn't get to see him, but that's life you have to except it. Sorry if I'm comming out like this but everyones getting on his case. I love you Morrissey!!!

Lidia Villa <[email protected]>
Chicago, IL - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 10:49:01 (PDT) | #58




I already miss Warren. Tell me it isn't so. Please tell me that Warren is alive in Chespaw with the gang.

Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 10:56:24 (PDT) | #59




Bucktooth strikes again!

C'mon girl, your crush on Warren is all too obvious.

Warren is a comedic genius.
Naturally a clumsy, shy girl like yourself
would fall for his unmistakable charm.

Captain Burt
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 10:56:47 (PDT) | #60




Alright Buck toothed!

I think you're in on "Warren's" little pranks! Who are you? Who are you working with on the inside!!! Maybe you're just another one of Jake's characters. Hmmmm......

I won't rest until "Warren's" loving mouth is shut, good and proper, FOREVER!!!!

OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Garrett Cronin
Clearwater, Florida - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:03:12 (PDT) | #61




And I'm on to you too Capt Burp!!!

Garrett Cronin
Clearwater, Florida - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:08:14 (PDT) | #62




Who is Buck Toothed???

Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:17:20 (PDT) | #63




First of all, Felix Unger, your retort to my comments were weak, childish and boring...the "wrath of James" that you mention so brilliantly, is that from what I can see, I am one of the very few people who actually posts comments with some sort of thought behind them. Wrath = Intelligence.
Also, thank you for mentioning that I work in the entertainment industry, my career is something that I'm quite proud of. (what are you proud of, Felix?)
On that note, I'd like to add that if the show at the ol' slaughterhouse was cancelled due to poor advanced ticket sales and made valid for another, that is a perfectly normal, legal and to be expected practice.
And just one more thing Felix, I couldn't possibly rule this web page...It belongs to our saviour of ignorance...Warren!

And, Warren, oh King of Blind Knuckleheads...butt plugs are made of rubber. silly turd.

iiiNNNNNN

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:25:38 (PDT) | #64




I can assure you that I do not know Warren and I am not a character of his. I am my own person and I'm still wondering if Garrett Cronin is the same little goof that advertised for a "Garret's Ark" party with all the neighborhood animals and a bread and lettuce charge at the door. What kind of freaky thing is that anyway? Did anyone go? Did you offer beverages or snacks as part of that hefty $3 charge? It seems like you could throw in a cold one or at least a glass of water for the poor lil' fellas that showed up for such a lame get together. Did anyone hang out in the "quiet" room? Was Doogie Howser there? Did Warren get down and get all crazy at this shindig? Was Capt. Burt there? Did Moz Cowboy round up a few strays out in the yard and bring em' round to the gala at Garret's Ark?

Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:32:00 (PDT) | #65




Personally, James, I am disgusted that you are able to comment on the material make-up of a butt plug.
Thanks for playing, "little" guy!

Whatever Happens, I Love You
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:40:11 (PDT) | #66




This "Garrett" is either one of Warren's
little classmates who has a wild imagination
or he is a little upset at being "outed" by
his old 5th grade chum. By the way Warren I think
Garrett has a crush on you! By the way Coachella
was great!

Gina
San Diego - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:56:00 (PDT) | #67




Whatever Happens....I'm bored with you

I'm just disgusted that people get on here and say things that they know nothing about, such as Warren and the butt plug comment saying that Morrissey had one made of leather...they don't exist.

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 12:04:32 (PDT) | #68




James,
How can you say It doesn't exist??? Are you telling me in the whooooole wide world there couldn't be one made of Leather? How could you possibly know that? They do exist you are wrong.
Face the facts! You are scaring a lot of us here!

Rodney
Baltimore MD - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 12:41:32 (PDT) | #69




Leather IS a by-product of the meat industry. But it is a poduct just the same. If nobody bought it then it would be a waste product. Don't say "oh then it would just be wasteful and fill are landfills". Hey, genius, leather can be used for other things, rather than decorating your tender litle footsies with your Doc Martins. Don't try to rationalize your hypocritical views in your spiteful little mind.
Hey, James,
Why the emphasis on looks? I don't see you on our underwear ads, troll boy!

Shelly rules!!

56cruzer <[email protected]>
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 12:44:57 (PDT) | #70




Buck Toothed Girl

What kind of wierdo would charge 3 bucks for bread to feed neighborhood animals bunkered in a garage during a hurricane. THE HURRICANE DIDN'T EVEN HIT US!!! It passed South and to the East of us. "Warren" / "Jake" / John Cronin sent in that post last Friday pretending to be me. If you don't believe me....give him a call @ 800-237-8931 X83352 and ask him for your self!

HA!!!!! WARREN, YOU ARE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Garrett Cronin
Clearwater, Florida - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 12:55:38 (PDT) | #71




GINA,

Who the hell are you? Let's see if you are legit! Name 3 Smiths songs in the next 5 minutes. Hurry up! Call your friends.....the clock is running!

Garrett Cronin
Clearwater, Florida - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 13:01:16 (PDT) | #72




I think we have a "paranoid" over the edge
Moz fan on the site. Either someone is just having fun with a made up name, which is very very likely
or There is a guy named Garrett Cronin in Clearwater Florida who is freaking out because he had a Morrissey/Hurricane party that no one attended and his poor animals went hungry. Either way we don't care "Garrett Cronin" so calm down.

Mozmachine
Santa Barbara Ca - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 13:23:20 (PDT) | #73




James: You were wondering what I'm proud of? Well, I'll tell you. I'm proud of my role on the classic television show "The Odd Couple". I'm very proud of the way I keep a neat home. I'm proud of my Morrissey collection. I'm not proud of your butt plug knowledge. And by the way, your "wrath" was pretty pathetic.

Felix Unger
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 13:57:53 (PDT) | #74




"Meat is Murder, Leather is Cool"

Javier
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 14:13:38 (PDT) | #75




savalas,
I will take into consideration that you don't know how to use capital letters when I tell you that YOU HAVE NO FRICKIN' IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Here's some real books for you to read:
-Diet for a New America...John Robbins
-The Sexual Politics of Meat...bell hooks

And while you're saying that cows don't cause as much harm to the environment, think of this...these cows are eating grain that could be used to feed people who are starving in other countries. 90% of grains go to feed livestock, which are in turn used for consumption and leather production. And the livestock, in turn, produce nitrogenous waste, which is the leading cause of global warming. And what is it all for? So that cronies like you can get fat...America has the highest level of obesity in the world! And guess what? All of that can be found IN A BOOK! Familiar with the concept? Think about it. You must be thinking about it...I can smell smoke.
Ben

Painted Thin
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 22:14:44 (PDT) | #76




How do I know that butt plugs are not made of leather and only rubber?
No not because I have a large collection of such devices - not one to my name or my hole.
Butt, because I have an open mind and half a brain . I've been inside a few S&M and Leather gear shops and have taken a close look at these prostate expanders. They are all made of rubber because if one were to be made of leather it would rot shortly after first use due to the lubrications required for proper function.

Felix, if I'm so pathetic, why do you pay so much attention to me?
who is pathetic?

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 22:39:00 (PDT) | #77




7 hours train-ride home cleaned my thoughts ...
Lifeguards, I agree with you :
that blind adoration sucks !
Are those MOZ-fans so stupid that they dont´s see MOZ as the business-man he is ?
The fact is : we pay to see him. He forsakes us for laughable reasons (in my special case not
the first time . . .) and we´re still dependent on roumors about the "why ? " !
And what happens ?
The master himself remains in the background and keeps silence ...
I say : he is neither worthy defending his escapades nor spreading the many excuses I read
above !
Get real ! give him a kick in his ass, so he´ll remember his fans next time when he´s on the
decision to cancel a gig ...
I´ll keep on hearing his songs , but from now on aware that some of his words are not worth
the paper they are written on . . .

END OF THE LINE.

TOBi <[email protected]>
- Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 23:41:52 (PDT) | #78




Dear Ben, painted thin.
Not only are you a drummer, you're also american!! it all becomes so clear!! vegan or not you still show the great american trait of assumtion!! Did you consider i might not live in old apple pie,mom and pop country? I have been a veggie for 12 years because i love animals, but i'm affraid i find it hard to shed a tear for people in distress. Maybe i'm a cynic but the reason people are starving in countries is because of other of people, it's not the cows fault that they are fed grain and produce 'waste' , we all produce waste that is harmful...or do you sh1t roses?

P.S. the reason why my punctuation is so poor is that i have to type these messages from work, so i have to be fast.

savalas <[email protected]>
- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:25:23 (PDT) | #79




James-
Truly, truly dissapointed. Not only do you know about these things (err, butt plugs) you actually pay visits to the shops that sell them. So, hell why not go into a S&M shop??? What is your problem, man? You are curious and it makes it all right? Do you also experiment with the plugs and how well they do/ or don't work because of your sick curiosities? Your last post was so very bad. Shame on you.

Whatever Happens, I Love You
- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 05:39:47 (PDT) | #80




What I find really sick is people's close mindedness. I have never said that I have used a butt plug because I don't come on here and spread lies...I'm aware that may offend some people since being honest appears to be a new thing around here. What I'm getting at is that I have never used one, I've just seen one rather closely.

Whatever Happens, I'm Sick of You:
How dare you say I'm "sick" you don't even know me. And I don't know you so I shall not go down to your level. Everyone seems to dislike me here because my thoughts are different...Germany 1943.

Also, just because I'm curious about such things doesn't "make it alright" for you. As for me, it just makes me curious no harm done to you or your loved ones.

Whatever Happens...are you a redneck? 'cuz youz sure soundz likes one!

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:58:33 (PDT) | #81




yeah, after looking at a picture of that place, looks like you could get Salmonella just from touching the walls...

...like anyone ever builds a slaughterhouse with a backstage area and PA system.....

would be even funnier if the fans were taken along a conveyor belt in extreme comfort past murals depicting mediterranean landscapes into the room that is heavily sound proofed....

Suzanne
are you proposing to slaughter our tenants? - Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 20:44:22 (PDT) | #82




Relax James.
Personally, I feel that discussing butt plugs is gross - mind you this is MY personal feeling. Perhaps, 85% of the posters on this grand site more than enjoy the topic - I was simply providing my input (it is the American way).
As for being sick - you stand corrected because I suggested that the whole butt plug knowledge/ curiosity was sick NOT you. You are correct that I do not know you and I would never judge you, personally - even if I knew you - it is simply not my way.
Kudos to you for becoming so tyrannical over a simple post, even better excellent way to judge someone as far as the whole red-neck thing. Quite accurate, actually - because you know rednecks don't frequent s&m shops like those darn Canadians do, we just have fun with our kin.

Whatever Happens, I Love You
- Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 05:48:46 (PDT) | #83




Whatever Happens, I Know You.

Very Nice Post. See what happens everyone when you use your brain, I turn humane, again.

Sincerely, well done.

James.

James <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 20:39:07 (PDT) | #84




James,

Truly lovely.

Whatever Happens, I Love You
- Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 08:23:22 (PDT) | #85




is this dresden slaughterhouse the same one that kurt vonnegut was at in wwii and later wrote slaughterhouse 5 about? did this occur to anyone else?
(i know this has no morrissey bashing in it. i just thought its interesting that this slaughterhouse is now a concert venue.)

mike
ohio - Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 14:57:26 (PDT) | #86






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