Is Morrissey Bisexual?

By realitybites · Dec 17, 2013 · ·
  1. I consider myself bisexual. This identity is not fully embraced by the gay community or the straight one. Both groups think bisexuals are fence sitters. Mostly that we are AFRAID to embrace our gayness. Still keeping one foot in the heterocourt. This may be the case for some. It is not the case for me. I could care less what people think. My family is very open and would completely accept me being a lesbian. My mom knows I am bisexual, as does my son. They get it. They understand I have a capacity to love both sexes.

    Many claim no one is obligated to come out. True. It is her/his life. And we don't know if doing so would mean their family would disown them or they could lose their jobs etc. But living in a closet, just keeps alternative sexual identities in the margins. Gives the impression it is something to hide—be ashamed of. Moz doesn't help the cause when he fails to use the term bisexual. If he truly loves both sexes, and is and can be, sexually attracted to both, then embracing this label could help so many of us bisexuals. It would help to legitimate it. Him failing to identify with it, makes us wonder why?

    Many bisexual artists and celebrities—both women and men—have spoken out about their bisexuality. This has helped me see that I am not alone. Not some freak. Not a fence sitter. So now, when I say to someone, I am bisexual, they no longer roll their eyes and say, yeah right, under their breath.

    Is Morrissey bisexual or gay? Only he knows. And what does it mean to be bi and not gay? Does it mean you have to have slept with both sexes? Or is simply being attracted to both enough? If a married man is attracted to some men, but has never had a sexual experience with another man, is he bisexual? Or straight? I'd say bisexual. Because it is about the recognized capacity to love both sexes, not acting on it, necessarily. A celibate, virginal priest knows his sexual orientation, most likely, even though he may have never experienced sexual activity with anyone. So if it isn't about behavior, then what is it about? Desire.

    And this is where I have a problem with Morrissey being bisexual, rather than gay. He states in his book, or insinuates, he has had loving relationships with both sexes. Yet, he never claims to have ever been sexually attracted to any woman. However, he has made numerous references indicating he finds men sexually desirable. So if he does not desire women, and actually finds them repulsive—especially their genitalia (see book), it is hard to believe, in my mind, that he is bisexual. He may love both. But Tina is hardly described as an object of desire, in his book. In contrast, the men are. But those sexy passages about Jake have been edited out. Why? To make Tina look sexier? To make him look more bi, as the book was tilting towards gay? That is my theory.

    So is Morriseey gay and not bi? I think so. But it is for him to decide. But he seems unwilling to claim the label—the identity—and instead comes up with, yet, another label of his own. He defines 'humasexual' as loving both sexes. Maybe he does love both. Maybe 'humasexual' is a person who loves both sexes but desires only the same sex, sexually. Gay with a twist?

    It is odd that he claims to hate labels, and this is why he never embraced one. Yet he then creates another label, for himself, and announces it to the world on TTY. Maybe he just wants to be in control... the one to pin a label on himself and not have it be done by the press or public? We do know he is a control freak, after all.

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  1. realitybites
    I think because I separate the man from the music, I am able to still love the music, no matter how frustrated I get with the man. :)
  2. sweetness522
    That is very interesting that you have not tried to interpret Moz's lyrics for their literal meaning. I know that I am odd since most fans do try to see their own life in his lyrics and how the lyrics can relate to them. I've never been that way. I am more interested in his life than figuring out mine. :lbf: I do agree that for the most part, he writes from a universal perspective to include as many listeners as possible. He does pepper some of the lyrics with specifics that can be applied to one gender alone and are exclusive of others or situations like not finding a job or being desired by a man. But most of the themes are things that anybody who is a human being can relate to. It gets confusing when he writes from the first person and that can get confusing as I usually take that to be a personal account. But I'm sure that he does both or else he'd get bored of just pulling from his own experiences. It would be like writing "Autobiography" over the past 30 years of his career and that would be quite boring for him. haha
  3. realitybites
    Yes, we are limited by geography. That is why I am all for meeting people online. It removes these boundaries or at least expands them. Of course, if one can't eventually meet in person, those barriers to intimacy will always be there.

    This may sound odd. I really have not tried to interpret Moz's lyrics for their literal meaning. I think I have always felt that they are not so much autobiographical, as they are meant to be universal. Perhaps he does bring himself and his experiences into his songs, but I also think he writes about themes which speak about the human condition.

    I never looked for HIM in his songs, but rather, ME. What do they say about me? To Me? How do I relate? For example, a lot of people claim that Please, Please, Please... is about Moz's lack of love in his life. That what he wants is a partner--something he has yet to find. However, I think the song is about longing in general. Could be about happiness. Longing to be content--for once. Same with I Can Have Both. I don't think it is about his sexuality, specifically. But rather, about desiring two things simultaneously. And not realizing he can have both because he was never given permission by society. Taught it was possible. Given the script. It could be about having two lovers at once. Or having a career and family. I think the lyrics need to be vague so that they are universal. If we assign too literal a meaning, we will inevitably exclude some listeners. If PPP is about love, how does the person who has love, then relate to this song? They can, if it is made more universal--about longing in general, an unfulfilled dream of any kind, for example.

    So while I think many writers, poets, and lyricists pull from the self, many also write about what they see going on in the world outside of their own small bubbles. I think Moz does both.
  4. sweetness522
    Thank you for your personal insights. I also think we have the capacity to love both sexes but our spheres of meeting people are very limited. We are limited to the geographic area that we live in which many times doesn't give us much choice. I consider myself heterosexual but who knows if a woman out there exists who would spark my interest? I may never know, as I may never meet her.

    Although I use the term "bisexual" to describe Morrissey, I don't think that he has indeed favored women at all sexually or romantically. However, this is just my opinion from listening to his lyrics, reading articles, books, etc and being a fan since 1991. I think that he leans towards men in that regard and may be leaning more as he gets older.
    I would be curious to know how you interpret his lyrics with regards to his sexuality. Have his lyrics given you any clues or just confused you? I used to think his lyrics were like a diary but not any more. Too many inconsistencies. Just like his interviews. Too many inconsistencies. I think there is a sprinkling of personal experience in his lyrics, but a lot may be fiction. We just don't know which is which. ;)
  5. realitybites
    I agree. I think most of us have the capacity to love both sexes, if we are open to it. Some may be strictly one way or the other. Not sure how that would feel, as I feel drawn to both. I have had sexual experiences with both sexes but only romantic relationships with men. But I am open to having one with a woman if I met the right person. It is so much easier to meet men. And from my experience, lesbians steer clear of bi women, citing they fear they will leave them when a man comes along. I don't know if they feel this based on experience or if it is just a stereotype. I think they think bi means bi-curious. This may be changing. I was out of the dating market for a while. Now that I am divorced, I am back out there. But not full force, as I am content being single. But I am open to having a relationship with a man (or a woman) again. It is just going to take a really special person, in order for me to want to put in the effort it takes to sustain a relationship.

    Your insightful thoughts have made me see that Moz may in fact be bisexual. Thanks for sharing them.
  6. sweetness522
    I find it very interesting and I think that the majority of people are bisexual. I think most people fall in the middle of the Kinsey Scale. Of course there are folks who are strictly homo or strictly hetero. Michael Stipe said he was 80-20. He prefers men. He's had relationships with both. Most would call him "gay" just because he has been in a long-term relationship with a man for the past few years. But he is not strictly gay as he's said so himself. Ricky Martin had a relationship with a woman for 14 years and discussed starting a family with her. He came out as gay. Things aren't so clear cut. But for Morrissey, things are even less clear-cut because he keeps his relationships very private so we are left with the guess work. Who has he been with the past 10 years? Who is he with today (if anybody)?
    Have you ever had a relationship with a woman? Or do you just find women attractive & desirable 10% of the time? :) I'm just curious (not meaning to be nosey!) as I love to get a true understanding of a bisexual.
    I think the topic of Morrissey's sexuality is important to his music, his lyrics, his artwork, his backdrops, his idols. It can't be pushed aside as unimportant as it's shed a huge influence over his career.
    I think that "I Can Have Both" is a clear confession of bisexuality. Although not a 50-50 equal split. Maybe over time he's leaning more towards men. But we really don't know because again do we really know who his partners have been over the past 10 years? Not really. I do think that he doesn't give much away to keep us guessing, and talking and wondering. And what are we doing - guessing, talking and wondering! And he's a private man, as well, and probably protecting the privacy of his partners which is very gentlemanly of him to do.
  7. realitybites
    Hi Sweetness. Thanks for your careful, intelligent reply.

    He could have had a baby with Tina using artificial insemination, though. No sex necessary.

    Could, I Can Have Both, mean he can have two people of the same sex, as in be polyamorous? Not meaning bisexual? Just a thought.

    Yes, if he wasn't so ambiguous, we wouldn't be guessing and speculating all the time. :p

    I think you may be right when you say bisexuals often prefer one sex over the other. I have about a 90% leaning towards men, and a 10% leaning towards women. So this makes sense to me. Of course, I too, have not met many bisexuals.
  8. sweetness522
    What you write is very interesting & you make some valid points. I think that he finds men more sexually desirable than women. Although I do think he has and can be attracted to women, but it just isn't something that happens very often. I'm not exactly sure how he feels about women - is he just emotionally/intellectually attracted to them? I do believe that he doesn't feel like he is "gay" so he doesn't embrace the term. Maybe it doesn't completely describe him or his feelings. However, he did indicate that he wanted to have a baby with Tina. Unless she was being used as a surrogate, then it was a sexual relationship, but of course, we may never know. I'm sure that there is a lot more to the Tina story that is being omitted. If we had the entire picture, we wouldn't be questioning him as much, right? Just looking at Morrissey's lyrics throughout his career gives us a picture of his leanings toward men. But they are not without the exclusion of women. For example, "I Can Have Both". I used to take Morrissey's lyrics as a diary of his life and feelings, but so much doesn't add up anymore. Too many inconsistencies. I'd say the term bisexual is best applied to Morrissey, probably best sums up his life. Although I do feel that he leans more towards the male gender in his sexual interest. I haven't personally known many bisexuals, but I have read that most do favor one or the other gender. As for Morrissey, we only know about two of his relationships having read about them in the book. Maybe if we knew more about his ex-partners/current partners we wouldn't be questioning him as much. There really isn't much to go on...