posted by davidt on Tuesday October 19 2010, @12:00PM
Link / excerpt posted at somedizzywhore.com (original post):

Now Showing | Linder Sterling’s Fashion Turn - NYTimes.com blog

Are you pleased that Lady Gaga is popularizing some of the aesthetic and conceptual concerns in your work?

Sterling: It makes me laugh when people like Gaga appropriate my ideas without understanding my intentions. But I guess it is flattering. Morrissey recently visited Lady Gaga after one of her shows. On her dressing room wall, in a silver Gothic frame, was a print of the collage that I made in 1977 of a woman with an iron as her head and smiling mouths over the nipples. Lady Gaga said to Morrissey, “I always decorate my dressing room with the images that I like.” If that collage is one of Gaga’s icons of inspiration — and we all need them, as much as air and water — then that’s great. But feminist history isn’t just a dressing-up box. Feigned cultural amnesia is never very attractive.
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  • She'd be nowhere and nothing without Morrissey's patronage and has been embarrassing us ever since she trudged around a cemetery attempting wisdom on the South Bank Show 23 years ago. God save us from witless 80s feminist pseudery. Go GaGa, Go GaGa...
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @12:59PM (#358133)
  • My god... (Score:1, Insightful)

    could Linder be any more pretentious?

    Shame on you, Linder! Shame on you!!!
    Senior Partner -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @02:45PM (#358140)
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    • Re:My god... by Anonymous (Score:1) Tuesday October 19 2010, @09:07PM
    • Re:My god... by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday October 20 2010, @07:21AM
    • objection, vague by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday October 20 2010, @05:32PM
  • Linder's message, as I see it, is best understood while reading between the lines; however, what she clearly stated was very well said.
    hand in glove -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @04:43PM (#358144)
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    "Sometimes things fall apart so that better things can fall together" - Marilyn Monroe
  • Sounds a bit like Morrissey and Linder was laughing behind GaGa's back or something.
    Well supose this is just Linders opinion. And he just wanted to tell her about it.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @04:59PM (#358145)
  • always have.
    i think i probably always will.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @06:21PM (#358147)
  • The problem is, just as in literature, the reader/viewer filters the expression and determines for him/herself what the artists' intentions/impact are.

    The artist has an opinion, of course, and the viewer has to be able to back up the opinion s/he has (if, for example, you argue that the message of CLOCKWORK ORANGE is that people can change, you have to account for the fact that Alex does not actually CHANGE so much as Alex is SUBMERGED and is still aware of his nature), but if you don't agree with the artists' personal intentions, it doesn't mean you don't 'get' the work.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @07:15PM (#358148)
  • Forms of flattery (Score:1, Interesting)

    I'm not a huge fan of Linder's, but she speaks absolute truth here.

    I also imagine that it was no coincidence that Gaga happened to have that picture up on that particular day. I'm sure it really is an "inspiring" image for her (and it is a piece I personally love) but when Morrissey's coming over, you can hardly suck up better than citing his best friend.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @07:38PM (#358150)
  • Why would she presume that Lady Gaga would have no understanding of the feminist underpinnings of that work? ( It's not as if it's particularly subtle.) What's more fascinating is the petty, passive aggressiveness Linder gives off, which falls straight into that whole anti-feminist stereotype of women who are unable to support each other professionally.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @09:25PM (#358156)
  • I'm interested in Linder for her work/relationship with Morrissey and some of the art she's produced over the decades but she'd be so much more interesting if she didn't talk and just concentrated on output.

    She's not alone -- there are quite a few artists like this.
    king leer -- Tuesday October 19 2010, @09:46PM (#358157)
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  • My Halloween costume
    http://videos.nj.com/star-ledger/2010/10/jersey_butchers_warn_against_w.html
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @12:42AM (#358161)
  • Lindy (Score:1, Flamebait)

    Lindy dear i find you just as repulsive as some people persue GaGa, she is too serious,
    like someone siad here she is not helping when she acts like a complete arsehole it is people like her that makes Feminists seem like complete arseholes, she is not intelligent at all, the way she acts all the time. Self-righteous bitch.
    plus how did she know she didn't understand the picture? just because she said she puts up pictures i like it doesn't mean she has no idea what its about, it does have an iron on her head, it doesn't take a genius.
    Carly_mc -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @05:10AM (#358166)
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    "Im smart enough to know how stupid i am"
  • But really I find Linder much more insufferable. Always just found here extremely irritating. I actually like Gaga .. I think some people take her way too seriously when she's just fun music. Whatever she is, or is trying to be or whatever, that doesn't matter.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @10:02AM (#358177)
  • ^and a crashing bore. Enough said.^

    She even has the guts to rip off KRISTEENYOUNG's bubble dress.
    MozVegan9 -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @10:18AM (#358178)
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  • Lady Gaga on Twitter (Score:2, Interesting)

    Lady Gaga wrote this a minute ago "I'd wear any of my private attire for the world to see. But I would rather have an open flesh wound than ever wear a band aid in public". Is this for Morrissey?
    Marco -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @03:25PM (#358198)
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    And all those lies, written lies, twisted lies. Well, they weren't lies, they weren't lies...
  • I realise that a lot of contributors on this website have issues with individuals who express an intellectual stand point. I totally agree with Linder. Gaga ( I won't say lady - she's no lady )steals from anyone and everyone - she hasn't an original fibre in her skinny body.
    orlando -- Thursday October 21 2010, @12:06AM (#358207)
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  • , if you think lady CACA is remotely relevant, you've all lost your mind.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 21 2010, @03:58AM (#358211)
  • Lady Gaga is a puppet.

    "I am angry, I am ill and I'm as ugly as sin..."

    Anonymous -- Thursday October 21 2010, @06:15AM (#358215)
  • Lady Gaga is Retarded.

    Oh Dear Morrissey... These are strange days.

    "If I see you
    And I tell you
    How I've watched you
    Don't make fun of me later
    Cause I'm just Lost"
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 21 2010, @06:27AM (#358217)
  • Linder is a nice person.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 21 2010, @10:33AM (#358224)

  • Linder Parasite art is:

    i) A poor copy of artist David Hamilton's POP Art cica 1960s

    ii)Hanging on the famous tail coats of Morrissey - who made her name only slightly 'recognisable'.

    iii) Now hangs on the fame of Lady GaGa too.

    How parasitic can you get?

    Without Morrissey, Linder is nothing and now she is using GaGa in the same manner.

    This is how poor, how unnoticable and unorigional her work is.

    Oh, and to 'name drop' in conversation (as suggested by DeBrett's Guide To Modern Manners) only shows how devoutly insecure Linder is socially and professionally.
    Anonymous -- Friday October 22 2010, @12:31PM (#358252)
  • Meat (Score:2, Interesting)

    How can Morrissey be friends of someone who had a dress made of meat? If she was such a good artists why would she need so much circus around her? If it wasn´t because of her crazy designs I beg she wouldn´t be so lucky in the music world.
    Gejo -- Saturday October 23 2010, @02:53AM (#358268)
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  • miss caca. i always keep images around that inspire me. so what? what the fuck does that mean? wow.

    fools. fools. she's an impersonator. a designer imposter. a turd sandwich.
    Mozkateer -- Saturday October 23 2010, @09:43AM (#358272)
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  • Gargle (Score:3, Interesting)

    At 55/56 and as one of the forefront artists in the beginnings of contemporary performance art and graphics as art and challenging social-commentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linder_Sterling [wikipedia.org]), Sterling, imho, is well within her rights to critique Lady Gaga, age 23, for Gaga's use of her artwork to impress her own close friend.

    Sterling seems to lightly caution Gaga from using it merely as a 'cool, weird, dorm-room poster' to make herself seem more cool to others. Does Gaga care or understand what the poster truly means and its commentary about gender, gender roles, and objectification in our society (and whether we have really progressed in 33 years)? If she did, she didn't convey that to Moz (and then hence to Sterling) when she had the chance. Moz himself has explored these issues in his work throughout his career (via his music and his images).

    It would have been at least more impressive for Gaga to specifically credit Sterling, 'I love Linder's work...' to show she at least knew the artist, just as it would have been more impressive for her to say 'I so love that bubble dress Kristeen Young designed and wore on your tour for 2 years and owe her for the fame I've gotten in it.'

    Well, she doesn't and goes on collecting her own fortune with a pokerface.

    Jeers,
    romeogirl -- Saturday October 23 2010, @09:38PM (#358303)
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    • Re:Gargle by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday October 24 2010, @01:40AM
      • Re:Gargle by romeogirl (Score:1) Monday November 08 2010, @11:38PM
  • and its effects on the partner in a real life relationship

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2010/1023/1224281794805.html
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 26 2010, @04:19AM (#358412)
  • You see i like alot of people who moz seems to be friends with, i just don't like linder much, don't jump to conclusions that anyone on here that doesnt like someone morrissey likes its jealousy or something, with some people it is jealousy, some just have an opinion and not suck up to anyone morrissey likes.

    'My God! This is Morrissey's best friend' - and? it doesn't mean everyone who likes morrissey should love her, linder is an individual. morrissey is an idividual.two different people.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 20 2010, @10:24AM (#358179)
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