posted by davidt on Monday March 15 2010, @05:00AM
Posted in the forums in a thread started by Leather Elbows, link from billybu69 (original thread):

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/art/linder/

Linder
By Morrissey
Photography Solve Sundsbo
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  • "Longings always outdistance satisfaction".
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @05:20AM (#350175)
  • Morrissey's questions were so convoluted and pedantic. They didn't make any sense and the answers were vague and all over the place. Some shoddy journalism at best!
    moho -- Monday March 15 2010, @05:50AM (#350180)
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  • I liked Linder's reference to artists who "always give contradictory answers to your interviewers." Sound like anybody we know?
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @06:48AM (#350181)
  • Two Peas in a Pod (Score:2, Insightful)

    A playful, insightful (and occasionally precious) dialogue between two accomplished artists who clearly inspire one another; what's so fascinating is that Morrissey and Linder seem to share the same voice - it's a perfect meeting of the minds.

    I thought his questions were very thoughtful, particularly this:

    "Since the mouth is a powerful center, why do you hide yours? Is your mouth in the wrong part of your body, do you think?"

    Her answers were equally thought-provoking:

    "... a great deal of talent is required to turn eccentricity into charm. But how quickly that charm can curdle and turn back into a kind of sour milk of the personality. . . . It’s the razor-blade high wire that genius walks."

    As someone who still struggles with the creative process, I find this conversation between two mature, inventive minds inspiring (if more than a little smug). Linder is so right: artistic success is often as much about charm as anything else; there is no better example of this than her friend Morrissey.

     
    Anaesthesine -- Monday March 15 2010, @07:30AM (#350184)
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    If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
    • Re:Time to consider answers and questions . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday March 15 2010, @10:59AM
    • Yes, but... by Anonymous (Score:1) Monday March 15 2010, @12:20PM
      • It's true, (Score:2, Interesting)

        They did display contempt for a politically incorrect stereotype of the kind of mouth-breather that one occasionally encounters in this life. I didn't read it as a general contempt for "ordinary" people, so much as those people who are completely uninspired/uninspiring.

        Most creative people I know are repulsed by the ordinary and banal - it is what motivates them to express themselves in (hopefully) constructive, inspiring ways.

        Morrissey and Linder don't come off as warm, tolerant and cuddly, but I don't expect that from them. What I do expect is some measure of creativity and insight.
        Anaesthesine -- Monday March 15 2010, @01:04PM (#350219)
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        If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
        • Re: Warm and embracing . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday March 15 2010, @01:49PM
        • Re:It's true, by auntie christ (Score:1) Monday March 15 2010, @04:06PM
          • I heart Anaesthesine by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 16 2010, @08:22AM
          • Re:It's true, (Score:2, Interesting)

            Hello auntie christ (nice name by the way); I appreciate the kind words from you and Anonymous.

            Moz and Linder do seem to be quite pleased with themselves, it's true. I can't really comment on Linder, but after a few decades of people swooning, sobbing, screaming and genuflecting in his presence, I'd be surprised if Morrissey DIDN'T think he was all that and a bag of chips.

            I freely admit that his occasional arrogance can be a bit off-putting, but I can overlook it if he still has something interesting to say, and his questions here were interesting.

            So, not a bore quite yet...
            Anaesthesine -- Tuesday March 16 2010, @07:15PM (#350270)
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            If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
            • Re:It's true, by Sushi (Score:1) Wednesday March 17 2010, @11:00AM
  • linder interview (Score:1, Insightful)

    i take it christine cowshed is an idiom for us unwashed commoners. "non"?

    morrissey was fantastic, but linder -- could she be any more affected? collages rank right up there with shells on teapots for the daycare set, dearie.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @08:28AM (#350186)
  • Ewww. Morrissey using the word "tits" and the phrase "head lamps" just sounds so awkward and wrong.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @09:00AM (#350193)
  • NOW can you see.... (Score:1, Interesting)

    ....why Morrissey seems so bored with the usual unimaginative drivel-drenched questions he's presented with by the dreary pop magazines? When will someone ask him questions of similar caliber--questions about art, being an artist, etc etc? I believe that Morrissey has thrown down the proverbial gauntlet with this interview. Suck on that, NME, Q, and other music magazine mulch.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @11:42AM (#350206)
    • bingo! by auntie christ (Score:1) Monday March 15 2010, @12:30PM
    • Re:NOW can you see.... by Piccadily (Score:1) Monday March 15 2010, @12:32PM
  • than he is nowadays, obviously his persona owes as big debt to her which i never thought before.
    she needs to write a novel....could read her for hours!
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @12:04PM (#350213)
  • tour, a new marriage or a new cupboard hes coming out of

    if not i question the question

    irene

    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @02:53PM (#350223)
  • Provocative questions drive the conversation. These days, Linder meditates and esteems the sound of silence, the blank page. 'Control of one's material is all...moving within your own laws'... where parallel dimensions appear and blemish the surface delusion of beauty.

    Linder Sterling's visual art makes fulminating statements with a force that can substitute immediately and rudely for tomes of feminist disgruntlement about the conventional lot of women and their relationship to each household appliance and to gendered presentations and expectations.

    Despite the Wildean themes to stoke up debate, the most admirable quality of the interview is the 'steadfast and constant' affinity between the two players. Each has contributed in very individual and influential ways to making the implicit explicit in an often indifferent culture. For a unique living and mutually-sustaining bond, the choice of the ungovernable sea as metaphor of containment works. And their ships came in, after all.
    goinghome -- Monday March 15 2010, @05:46PM (#350230)
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  • "pretentious"
    boring circle-jerk nonsense.
    Linder isn't that good.

    truth is out.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 15 2010, @08:46PM (#350235)
  • Linda teaches. (Score:2, Interesting)

    Well, Linda was one of my tutors at Manchester Met and I always found her very warm, passionate and charming.
    A little bored with a lack of ambition/general mediocrity of the dull middle-class round-a-bout that is Britsh art/media/TV et all...yes...and rightly so!

    The most interesting point to mull over is the line about a lot of art being merely 'self-expression' and how no one cannot 'fail' at that(Emin/Hirst etc?)...instead of illuminating some universal truth...

    How do we feel that plays out in relation to our Moz?
    Anonymous -- Tuesday March 16 2010, @09:07AM (#350255)
  • I think of the former department store in downtown Cleveland, Ohio, that was called Sterling Linder. They closed before I was born, but people always talk about how they had the most magnificent Christmas tree. There's a lovely sort of irony that her name is the reverse of something so completely commercial and mainstream.

    [/thread tangent]
    Sushi -- Tuesday March 16 2010, @11:58AM (#350262)
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  • His interviewing skills Much better
    when he did the interview w` Joni Mitchell
    that was interesting and full of sensible Questions
    markmustb1 -- Tuesday March 16 2010, @12:16PM (#350263)
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    cos no one ever turns to me to say ...
  • who gives a rip
    Anonymous -- Tuesday March 16 2010, @06:28PM (#350269)
  • I know Christine Cowshed
    Anonymous -- Wednesday March 17 2010, @01:10AM (#350274)
  • An interesting read - I'm sure having a written interview, rather than a recorded face to encounter, had a huge effect on what was said - and how it was said.
    Glad they had a go at Hirst but I do feel a bit sorry for Christine Cowshed.
    As for head lamps - ever heard of irony you moaners
    orlando -- Wednesday March 17 2010, @01:17AM (#350275)
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  • oh as if that isn't my insult of the month... i love how he's such a funny bitch with hand held permanently over mouth.
  • Moz was right- it's a good thing he keeps his distance from his fans, lest they realize what a pretentious ass he really is. These two remind me of people who've never had to work a real day in their lives so they are allowed to live life in this abstract, neo-bullshit sort of way, allowing them to over-think virtually every aspect of their pseudo lives. Could any of us stand to be in a conversation like the one portrayed in the interview if we ran across these people at a party? Good God... the humanity.

    I think I'm going to listen to some classic jazz and blues now, written by someone who lives in the real world and can be related to.

    Anonymous -- Thursday March 18 2010, @08:09AM (#350291)
  • Who can picture Morrissey curled up in his favourite armchair avidly leafing through these instruction manuals?!

    Have they notably helped anyone to deal better with the 'mesmerising mess'? : )
    goinghome -- Thursday March 18 2010, @12:13PM (#350293)
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  • . . . happens naturally when you are at last in the arms of your soulmate Morrissey, only to be mesmerised by ecstacy and the touch of a pure love . . .

    thank you for the GangLord film, interesting watch . . . :) . . . your soulmate has all the time in the world and eternity for you.

    Et vous, with mind of delectable hue,

    IX

    PS: Tune in at midnight gmt.
    Piccadily -- Thursday March 18 2010, @12:46PM (#350295)
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  • Funnily enough the "ordinary boys" and "teenage dads" get venerated by Moz while their female counterpart is obviously an ongoing joke and object of derision for them. Misogyny, anyone?
    Anonymous -- Friday March 19 2010, @02:36PM (#350337)
  • A delightful, intelligent conversation, imho.

    I couldn't help but imagine Morrissey chortling to himself while bemusingly writing out his questions while lying on his couch, or perhaps Linder's (across the room from her? ;), thinking of ways to poke and challenge his friend to share with the world what he admires in her. They are very thoughtful yet simultaneously hilarious questions, veiled very thinly in flippancy. In her own genius and mutual admiration, she begins to quote him back in reply once she tires of sharing herself further (?).

    How awesome the concept of great artists (and friends) interviewing each other, having a conversation 'with curtains wide open' for us common chip-eating cowsheds to view and wonder, and hopefully to think a bit deeper about our own perspectives. Thank you, Andy Warhol! Thank you, Moz and Linder!! :)

    My favorite quotes by Linder from the article:
    "For me, art is the conversion of a personal experience into a universal truth—or making a trip to the chip shop sound cosmic. At this, you have never failed."

    "musicians and singers, but with the minds and eyes of novelists. Nowadays, boys with enormous . . . record collections describe me as the “muse” to this circle in Manchester. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. . . . But you were my muses too."

    And the openness of Moz asking about his friend's tits in any other open conversation would sound so wrong, but in asking Linder, he acknowledges her art and provides the opportunity for her to address the evolution of her feminist and feminine identity through her art as herself. It's totally relevant and a friendly tease (at both her and perhaps also us gossipy fans) at the same time.

    Well done, both!
    with love and admiration,
    romeogirl -- Sunday March 21 2010, @02:13AM (#350371)
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