posted by davidt on Thursday August 24 2006, @12:00PM
Mal Greenley (Mozmal) writes:
I've been a serious Smiths/Morrissey fan since 1983. I was a pen pal with Morrissey for a short time in 1984, this unfortunately only lasted for a month. I suppose he became too famous and busy, in the end my letters never reached him, so it all ended. Please see the 3 attached files which are the scans of the letter and postcards that I received from Morrissey in 1984. I hope you and all people looking at them find them interesting.

I can't describe the feeling of receiving the 1st letter from him, nobody ever believes me when I tell them that he once wrote to me. I'll give you a brief description of the subject matter of each item.

Morrissey letter (scan)

My initial letter enquired on when 'This night has opened my eyes' would be released commercially, it's only airing was from the John Peel sessions. I also mentioned how much I liked 'Girl afraid', which was of course one of the B sides on 'Heaven knows I'm miserable now'. I really like the way he ended the letter with 'Not happy/not sad'

Morrissey postcard 1 (scan)

I questioned Morrissey on his famous 'James Dean is not dead' book (I also had an unhealthy fixation on Mr Dean). Also mentioned was the 'James Dean - The first American teenager' documentary. I also asked whether my Smiths album and single covers could be signed if I sent them to him. I also mentioned that I'd recently heard 'Rusholme ruffians' from the latest John Peel session, but I wasn't sure of how to spell it, hence the correction.

Morrissey postcard 2 (scan)

I received all of my covers back - all signed by the man himself! He goes on to explain why the remaining Smiths didn't sign them. I sent him a cassette of a rare James Dean documentary that he hadn't heard before, he refers to listening to it on a train journey to Manchester. I also asked him if he had an extremely rare book on James Dean by an author called Bill Bast. Finally, I asked him whether a replica the famous red jacket worn by Dean could be bought in London.

I really wish my short-lived contact with Morrissey had lasted a lot longer, but it gives me immense pleasure that I was able to have the contact and actually expand his James Dean collection.

I met Morrissey directly after The Smiths set at the 10th summer festival at the G-Mex centre in Manchester in 1986. Very nervously, I introduced myself and he put his index fingers to his temples and after a few seconds thought, he simply said 'James Dean'. I remember it like it was yesterday, to think that he remembered someone from 2 years previous was amazing, I just wish I'd had a camera with me. I'll obviously never forget it and the letter and postcards will go to my grave with me.
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  • thanks for sharing those with us!
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @12:08PM (#232856)
    • Re:awesome by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 25 2006, @04:53AM
      • Re:awesome by how soon is now (Score:1) Sunday August 27 2006, @10:30AM
    • Re:awesome by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday September 20 2006, @10:28AM
  • Thanks for sharing!
    Makes a nice addition to the other letters that were made public some years ago http://www.torr.org/moz/letters.htm [torr.org]

    J
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @12:17PM (#232860)
    • Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 24 2006, @01:45PM
      • Re:Brilliant! by Complicated_Girl (Score:1) Friday August 25 2006, @06:33AM
    • Hilarious! by Mrs. Woolf (Score:1) Thursday August 24 2006, @05:37PM
    • So fake! by kaleidoscope (Score:1) Saturday August 26 2006, @03:35PM
  • malcolm , what superb momentos. I loved reading them...thank You you are truly very very lucky...
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @12:20PM (#232862)
  • . . . and thankyou very, very much for allowing us to read them. (I particularly like the 'I read it and its really boring' bit).

    xXx

     
    Poppycocteau -- Thursday August 24 2006, @12:43PM (#232867)
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  • These are so sweet! Thank you SO much for sharing them!

    I've never met the man myself, but I've heard he's got an amazing memory from everyone I know who has met him! :)
    ProtestSinger -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:01PM (#232877)
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    .*.* I can smile about it now but at the time it was terrible *.*.
  • Thank you for sharing Malcom! This was very neat.

    Question: These scans don't show any stamps. So were these postcards put into an envelope?

    Question: How did you write him in the first place? Care of Rough Trade office?

    Thanks is advance.

    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:06PM (#232880)
  • But why would you want to? You have a treasure there, foremost in your heart I'm guessing. The care taken with a relevant and characteristic reply must have made you feel your questions were taken seriously. Morrissey's wish to understand the circumstances of those he deals with seems clear also from this bit in the recent NME article: "You can’t constantly flood people and put pressure on them to keep buying things because many don’t have that much money, so you have to value the whole thing out."

    You, Mal, are a blessed priviledged being!
    goinghome -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:06PM (#232881)
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  • Thank you for sharing something so awesome and special with us! :)

    innominatefan
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:13PM (#232884)
  • There were some letters to fans sold recently on ebay. How naive, innocent and idealist Morrissey must have been then. How sweet that he tried to have a real personal relationship with the fans and put himself out for them. Of course it couldn't last because realistically it's impossible to sustain.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:15PM (#232886)
  • Mal Greenley,

    Thank you so much for sharing!

    Best,

    Jay
    I'm really just Some Totally Random Moz Fan
  • and very happy for you.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @01:36PM (#232891)
  • Thanks for sharing Malcolm, that's a fantastic story. Five years ago I was preparing to get married, and on a whim I sent letters to Morrissey and Stuart Murdoch (of Belle & Sebastian), mentioning how much their songs meant to me and inviting them to the ceremony. (It was in New Zealand, so obviously I wasn't expecting them to actually come.) A few weeks later I received a very lovely handwritten letter from Stuart but, sadly, nothing from Morrissey.
    LawrenceM -- Thursday August 24 2006, @02:07PM (#232906)
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    • Re:lovely by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 24 2006, @02:33PM
    • Re:lovely by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 24 2006, @02:35PM
      • Re:lovely by jeanne (Score:1) Thursday August 24 2006, @02:56PM
        • Re:lovely by mozmal (Score:1) Friday August 25 2006, @04:18PM
  • And its Rusholme actually. Lol
    deaf witness -- Thursday August 24 2006, @03:19PM (#232934)
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  • thanks for those...

    gush, gush, gush, sigh, sigh, sigh

    swoon...
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @04:28PM (#232939)
  • ...is that you Julia?
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @04:30PM (#232940)
  • I believe you... that's why i envy you!!!
    But i was born that year... so there's no way i could've been his penpal as you.
    cot3_onthemix -- Thursday August 24 2006, @05:45PM (#232954)
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  • I wrote during the seven year lay off. sent it to his management company - he replied about 3 months later - airmail from LA with two Malcom X stamps and a Aztec print on the envolope. He said "I've hung up mt quill - haven't you noticed???" I smiled for a week. - not about the quill thing (shortly after he announced a tour) Mine was written on a computer but he signed the bottom - the address was hand written.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @06:39PM (#232963)
  • Thanks for sharing this with us Malcolm, it truly has made my year and I'm sure it made your life.

    It just reminds us that Morrissey is truly human, as we all knew anyway.
    natec -- Thursday August 24 2006, @07:25PM (#232968)
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  • Thanks for posting those -- they're part of music history. Morrissey's handwriting is one of the best ever. It really should be given an official release by Adobe.

    king leer -- Thursday August 24 2006, @09:48PM (#232980)
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    • Re:Nice... by inlovewiththepast (Score:1) Friday August 25 2006, @01:04AM
      • Re:Nice... by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 25 2006, @01:50AM
  • I fall in love again Moz.
    Your handwriting is the work of art.
    It makes me so warm inside.
    I love you till the end of time.
    So let me kiss you!
    X
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @01:07AM (#232992)
    • Re:sigh* by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 25 2006, @01:42AM
  • Sir,

    They make a lovely read. I presume they are, indeed, real!

    Thank you for sharing them on the internet. I guess one could pour scorn on such actions (i.e. putting private correspondance on the Internet) but I feel honoured to have seen them!

    Best,

    the_wrong_boy, Huddersfield.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @01:47AM (#232996)
  • Fantastic to read these little snippets of history! Thanks so much for sharing them!

    Agent Provocateur -- Friday August 25 2006, @02:14AM (#233000)
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    "Kiss him? Of course I didn't kiss him, he's ugly!"
  • See http://www.torr.org/moz/letters.htm
    Thank God for that!
    I'm sick of critics telling me how amazing she is. I just cannot stand the sound of her horrible singing voice; doesn't matter how great the music and the lyrics are.
    At last I've finally found someone who feels the samw way!
    J
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @02:15AM (#233001)
  • Thank you so much for sharing these! It would have been so easy for you to keep them for yourself, it's lovely of you to let us see what I presume are your most treasured possessions :)

    Does anyone really see this as a serious breach of Morrissey's privacy? I think he'd probably be quite amused that we find postcards written by him 20 years ago so amazing!
    SarahG -- Friday August 25 2006, @05:03AM (#233018)
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    Hear my voice in your head and think of me kindly...
    • Re:Oh... by mozmal (Score:1) Friday August 25 2006, @05:47AM
    • Re:Oh... by Complicated_Girl (Score:1) Friday August 25 2006, @06:50AM
      • Re:Oh... (Score:2, Insightful)

        I agree; and yes there's nothing horribly personal or whatever, but going public with letters (in general, these here are indeed harmless contentwise, but I'm not that sure about the "Julie" letters), is surely not going to make him very keen in answering other letters in the future. Except maybe via a Q&A section on TTY.

        And a further consequence would be that persons that don't have the decency of Mozmal are going to flood websites with "personal" letters from Morrissey, real or fake, so that in the future, genuine ones will again be harder to spot.

        Don't get me wrong, it's a treasure for (s)he who owns these letters, but I don't think it's really necessary to post them literally.

        The mere fact that Morrissey personally answered some of the fan mail sent to him during his Smiths days, or even during his Solo-days, has enough "little chestnut" feel about it to make one feel mildly, but deeply, happy.
        MILVA -- Friday August 25 2006, @07:13AM (#233027)
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  • You should have those framed.
    jgato -- Friday August 25 2006, @08:52AM (#233042)
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  • Interesting stuff at http://www.torr.org/moz/letters.htm
    J

    So sad about John. I almost cried. I have none of this records and didn't care about The Beatles. But when people who devote a part of their lives to 'peace' are shot 5 times for it, well, THAT disturbs me. It's always the wrong people. Nobody would assassinate our dear prime minister. Is all life sad? What are YOU going to do with your life? I always like to end my letters on a serious note. Be young, be foolish, and be happy. Steven
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @09:08AM (#233046)

  • Those early years, would have been great. I wonder would receiving a postcard from him still feel the same. Probably not.

    His handwriting is a bit lower grade stuff, not very gracious.

    Anyway, very sincere and touching stuff.
    Only too seldom here.
    Granvik -- Friday August 25 2006, @01:32PM (#233069)
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  • I send you letters and you put them on the net. Ok, it's a long time ago, but still.

    Now there speaks a true friend
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @01:34PM (#233070)
  • Thank you for this Malcolm.
    It's the single best post i've ever seen on Morrissey-solo.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @01:57PM (#233071)
  • If anyone in the ordinary world employed Morrissey's handwrting style, then they would be considered a maniac.

    Alas, I have been stricken with similar handwriting.

    Long-hand never made sense to me.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @02:17PM (#233075)
  • Does the word 'friend' mean nothing at all to these 'people'

    Anonymous -- Friday August 25 2006, @02:54PM (#233082)
  • ..thanks Mozmal. It's good to be brave and share this wonderful letters in this place, where there is some bad, bad people on the right.
    NovemberJesus -- Saturday August 26 2006, @09:52AM (#233163)
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    ...maybe I'll even arrive?
  • Thank You, Mozmal (Score:2, Interesting)

    Great postcards, Mozmal. Thank you for sharing these with us.

    Regarding these postcards you received from Morrissey, what images were depicted on the flip side? Did Morrissey use a souvenir postcard from where he was currently staying, or a Smiths promo postcard, or a postcard of a movie icon?

    The devil is in the details, you see.
    mozmic_dancer -- Sunday August 27 2006, @11:20AM (#233273)
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  • Thanks for sharing that with us. Real treasures. I´m glad to see his handwriting is always like this, because I got his autograph (in a Dublin pub 1995)and because the handwriting is so errm ..different, no one I show it to believes it was really Morrissey. But he signed his name in the same sort of writing as on his corrospondance to you.
    Anonymous -- Sunday August 27 2006, @11:31AM (#233276)
  • It is so strange to see something written by Morrissey! It's good to see that he has worse handwriting than me!
    The Youngest -- Thursday September 14 2006, @01:29PM (#234827)
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  • Whatever. LOL.

    We know you don't mean this.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @05:26PM (#232952)
  • It would be almost as bad as misspelling "cemetery", which he would also NEVER do.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @06:57PM (#232966)
  • Based on your sig, are you his friend now?
    Ship Erect <[email protected]> -- Thursday August 24 2006, @08:57PM (#232977)
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  • where is your 'obvious' evidence that these letters are fakes? the handwriting is spot on, and the dates match up. so please, educate us, oh wise ass...
    huh?
    wha?
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @10:55PM (#232985)
  • Yes you are, Shit-for-Brains
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 24 2006, @11:59PM (#232990)
  • Yes it's so obvious that only you can see it.

    The curse of Morrissey Solow is that whenever someone tries to share something nice, there's always a bitter and twisted individual waiting to turn it into something nasty.

    not sorry -- Friday August 25 2006, @02:47AM (#233004)
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  • I don't think we have any evidence to say that these are fakes; so as long as evidence is brought against it, they're real.

    It's charming for all Moz-solo-readers that Mozmal posts these old postcards here, yet I'm not so sure it's a good thing to do (and even less so for the Julie-letters posted in the forums).

    Morrissey still is a private man, and certainly wants to keep it that way. Though interactions with "fans" have certainly occurred (surely in the Smiths era, much less so in the Solo-era), I can't but think that posting them publicly is, one way or another, a breach of the fragile "confidence" or "entente" there once was.

    That's how I think about it.
    MILVA -- Friday August 25 2006, @04:45AM (#233015)
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