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posted by
davidt
on Tuesday November 04 2003, @10:00AM
Dr feelgood writes:
A friend of mine is working with the bloke who made the recentish C4 doc on Moz. Apparently all references to homosexuality had to be cut because Moz's mum is a devout Catholic. They also interviewed Kathy Burke who was still livid about the footage of her in the doc. She spent ages saying what an inspiration The Smiths had been to her and they only used a few clips of embarrassing remarks. She was still hostile to any media interviewers.
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Isn't that silly? (Score:1)
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mozzer's ma (Score:0)
I wish (Score:0)
strange (Score:1, Troll)
Roy's Keen for example?
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Erm (Score:0)
It's a sin (Score:0)
As far Morrissey is concerned,it's a trite matter. It's useless talk about it until Morrissey himself will say "his" truth.
Gay? (Score:0, Troll)
and someday i'll sleep with him! so it is right to
not mention such things in a documentary.
nauthy girl xxxxx
labels (Score:1)
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Re:not that it matters (Score:2)
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Parent
C4 Doc (Score:1)
WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS THE UNSEEN FOOTAGE OF THE DOC....ANYONE GOT ANY IDEAS HOW WE CAN SEE IT? AFTER ALL, MOZ HIMSELF SAID THAT HE WASNT HAPPY WITH THE FILM AND THAT THEY DIDN'T USE A LOT OF THE BEST MATERIAL.
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One question (Score:0)
just wondering...
Re:One question (Score:2, Insightful)
Wonderful Woman
Dagenham Dave
Southpaw
Girlfriend in a coma
Disappointed
Half a person
Glamorous Glue
You've had her
Stop me if you think you've heard this one before
The Draize Train (just kidding)
Admittedly, none of these are strongly heterosexual, but the same can be said for the so-called "evidence" of homosexuality.
Luckily, of course, most of Morrissey's lyrics are elegantly sexually unspecific - dealing with universal emotions and events.
I am NOT saying that Morrissey is necessarily one or the other, only that the lyrical evidence is inconclusive.
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Parent
moz doc (Score:0)
homoerotic...what a shock (Score:0)
Here's how it works for gay celebrities (Score:1)
"there is a quick and easy way, you say
before you illustrate I'd rather state
I'm not the man you think I am..."
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Morrissey is GAY??!!!! (Score:1)
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wow.... (Score:1)
That explains everything...
or absolutely nothing...
depending on your politics or how you want to look at it....
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yeah (Score:1, Funny)
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let's face it (Score:0, Troll)
Here are some heterosexual(ish) Moz lyrics! (Score:0)
"he's got too many girlfriends, I'm jealous, that's all"
"girlfriend in a coma..."
"the girl of your dreams is sad and is all alone"
"where is the woman you love, and where is the man you respect"
"your weary wife is walking away"
"young girl, one day you will be old. but the thing is, I love you now"
Oh please... (Score:1)
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The gay vs straight duel is ON!!! (Score:1)
"She's too rough and I'm too delicate..."
"When we're in your skeleton room who will swallow whom?"
(every word of "This Charming Man" duh)
"A boy in the bush is worth two in the hands" duh
"He never really looks at me, I give him every opportunity..."
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I can have both (Score:0)
BUT it's irrelevant as he doesn't pursue any of them past a certain point of infatuation/flirtation (anyone else hear the stories that old drummer Spencer tells?)
Not an inditement of Morrissey's Sexuality but... (Score:1)
The man is 40something years old.
Is he married? No?
Can anyone here name his last 3 girlfriends?
I bet you can name Ashton Kutcher's last 3 gf's.
People who are heterosexual constantly flaunt their sexuality. I don't mean to say that in a mean way, but it's just a reality -- and if you're one of these individuals that don't flaunt heterosexuality people may begin assuming you're gay.
It's not so much that Morrissey may have homoerotic lyrics -- I find that to be somewhat immaterial. What convices me more about his sexuality is that he hasn't had a girlfriend in the longest time. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
Has Moz even been rumoured to have been with anyone?
Just because Moz hasn't been seen in a romatic relation with a woman doesn't automaticlly mean he's gay -- and this is not an inditement of his sexuality, but I think it's highly suspect that you never hear him likned to any woman. It would make me think that he doesn't necessarily fancy them.
and that's okay in my book.
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ummm... (Score:1)
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The uncut footage.. (Score:1)
Ruffian
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The best thing about Morrissey... (Score:1)
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Have you seen the documentary? (Score:0)
straight men tend not to (Score:0)
because they don't have to.
Why use the word "indictment" (Score:1)
People who think Morrissey is straight are in serious denial. Would you like some cream with that coffee?
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The story is old I KNOW but it goes on (Score:0)
well (Score:0)
I'll tell you why (Score:1)
It's little things like this that fly straight over the heads of straight people but gay people know the deal. Straight bands don't write homages to a flirtation to an older man, in fact they don't want to talk about gay people at all--Just like so many straight people on this board. It gets so annoying constantly being told I can't talk about this. I could give a damn about Morrissey and his sex life but what I DO care about is that he wrote beautiful songs about that subject. Nobody did it before him, and certainly nobody has since. And who the hell is saying ALL the songs were about being gay? Of course not! Who the hell wants to hear only that? Life is broad and fascinating and he says it all! But you can't ignore the blatant references to homosexuality.
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Okay, well.... (Score:0)
Personally, I think he's tried to like women in his past, but they certainly aren't his preference.
Either he's gay or bi-sexual. Deal with it. Anyone who says otherwise is deep in denial.
Morrisey is human (Score:1)
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Saint Morrissey (Score:0)
What Difference Does It Make (Score:0)
However, their recollections differed regarding his sexuality. One friend became convinced Morrissey was 'coming on' to him all the time, whilst another believed Morrissey was dating the woman he always came to into and left the bar with.
Maybe my friend was just paranoid, maybe the woman was his PA, who knows and who cares. The point is these people had actually met and spent time with Morrissey, [none of them are fans, so would have no reason to lie about it], and none of them could make up there mind about his sexual orientation. I have always suspected Morrissey to be bi-sexual [lyrical clue'I Can Have Both' for instance] and like Montgomery Clift, Oscar Wilde etc is becoming more homosexually inclined the older he becomes. I suggest doubters read some of his earlier interviews [The Face 1984, Melody maker 1986 to name a couple and another I can't recall with Johnny Marr claiming Morrissey had had lots of girl and boyfriends in the past but was at that point celibate]. Whatever Morrissey is, he does not wish to make it available for public consumption. Everyone naturally hopes that the person they admire is orientated in the same direction as themselves, but this is not always the case. I am unaware of any grand gentleman's agreement in the media regarding Morrissey's sexuality, so one would imagine if there is anything out there it would have come to light by now. Although Morrissey, like a [dwindling] number of other celebrities does not court the tabloid gossip obssessed press, so they do not report anything about him.
But in the end does it really matter whether he is waiting for his mother to pass away before coming out or whatever, people would still be unhappy. If he married, it would be a marriage of convenience in some eyes. Let us not forget Morrissey's image has had 20 years of shrewd cultivation. As someone noted earlier, his themes of alienation and perpetual outsider image would no longer have any relevance if he slotted himself into a hetero/homo or even bi-sexual landscape. This way he can indeed have both [or indeed all three] and no-one feels left out. But in the same way it keeps the interest alive, certainly for journalists, who might hope they one day will get the big scoop should he ever decide to go on record.
You never know the truth could surprise everyone. Very few celebrities mirror what their public persona reflects. He could actually be celibate, they do exist,but I suspect everyone would find that rather dull. Remember, when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
International Enquirer (Score:0)