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Suede site - <I>Hatful Of Hollow</I> "ripped off 'the kids'"

posted by davidt on Tuesday November 27 2001, @10:00AM
Michael writes:

Moz mention in the biography section on the Suede site... were the kids really ripped off with Hatful Of Hollow?

http://www.suede.net/

COMING UP was released in September 1996, begat five Top Ten singles and heralded a 14-month world tour, Suede's biggest tour to date by far. In October the following year they released SCI-FI LULLABIES, a 27-track double album collection of b-sides which is widely regarded as the best of its kind (even "Hatful Of Hollow" ripped off "the kids" if you checked your Peel tapes) and which included no cover versions, no instrumentals and no remixes. (Incidentally, Morrissey, who never sings covers used to play the Suede b-side my insatiable one in his live set before it was even released.) There were countless gems included herein - to the birds which used to close the early Suede set, the savagely violent killing of a flashboy which no-one could believe wasn't a single in the first place, the starstruck/starfucked the big time and the apocalyptic europe is our playground which seemed to inhabit some strange lost-future world as glimpsed from the mid-1970s. When Suede closed 1997 with their fanclub-only show at London's Forum, Melody Maker were forced to admit that "no other band in the world could get away with playing an entire set of b-sides."
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  • and the boys that is not nice to gloat?
    Johnny Marr -- Tuesday November 27 2001, @11:47AM (#21838)
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    Going Underground
  • Well, wasn't Moonriver a cover? Not to mention all the other songs he covered live. Still I suppose it wasn't a moz fan who wrote this.
    Mr_Biffo -- Tuesday November 27 2001, @01:17PM (#21842)
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    "Lies are no comfort when there are tears in your eyes"
  • "...no i have never met [him] nor would i ever care to. he's a deeply boring young man with kipling crumbs in his bed. he'll never forgive god for not making him angie bowie."
    thirsty fists <[email protected]> -- Tuesday November 27 2001, @02:20PM (#21844)
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    "world's ugliest boy"
  • Let's see, "Sci-Fi Lullibies" came out in '97... "Hatful" came out in '83... Leave it to Moz-solo to report useless anachronistic informatioin under the heading of "news".
    booboomja -- Tuesday November 27 2001, @02:39PM (#21845)
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  • I just have to say that I am madly in love with Suede! Brett's voice is angelic and when combined with the music, it becomes haunting and surreal. If anyone has any news on Suede touring North America, Toronto in particular, please do tell!
    Ana NG -- Tuesday November 27 2001, @05:16PM (#21855)
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  • um, hi. Morrissey live in dallas. Trash. cover. just to name another. who wrote this news again?
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 28 2001, @12:38AM (#21865)
  • 'hatful of hollow tricked the kids if you check your peel tapes'. Eh? Every song on sci fi lullabies was on a suede single for christ sake. What are they on about? They included peel session tracks and if you're a pikey muso type you'll have taped them off the radio already? They included different versions? Well sci fi lullabie's two discs and the second one's unbearable shit (the first one is very very good) but for christ sake the second one was just plain bad. I'd rather hear Moz lusting after (rather uncharacteristally it must be said) some mammary glands than listen to shit like Duchess and Money ("You thought you come and amaze me honey, you thought you'd come and amaze me with your...[wait for it!] money").
    And who the hell are the kids? Rip the kids off all you want, they're kids, they're dumb and don't know no better see? I don't give a toss about the kids, they all wear baggy pants and clog up Manchester with wallet chains and shit hair.
    And anyway, everyone knows suede went shit when Bernard left. the guitarist went from animal lover to pie lover and god could you tell.
    In summary: moz uber alles, half of sci fi lullabies is great, kids are there to be ripped off, that's why they're kids.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 28 2001, @09:40AM (#21872)
    • Re:Eh? by TheBeesKnees (Score:1) Wednesday November 28 2001, @12:55PM
      • Re:Eh? by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday November 28 2001, @05:20PM
      • Re:Eh? by suedehead (Score:1) Wednesday November 28 2001, @05:48PM
  • This article is ridiculously written, Hatful Of Hollow is obviously an incredible collection of songs, and to say it ripped the kids off when it was originally released at cut price is bizarre. I dont mind Suede at all but Smiths b-sides are much more interesting than Suedes A-sides. Indeed some of my fave tracks of all time are b-sides - Please Please Please, Back To The Old House, Asleep, How Soon Is Now, Half A Person!
    Baz -- Wednesday November 28 2001, @12:23PM (#21876)
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    • Re:Hatful Rules by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday November 28 2001, @11:23PM
  • Exactly, i hate kids, all they do is fucking buy Nevermind, my cousin has three copies of Nevermind, she doesn't even know who steve albini is! Honestly, kids today. When i was a lad, i listened to third-class indie-acid house shit, got off my head on £20 talcom powder and failed to pull down fat girl's skirts before collapsing into a foetal pile in some dark backalleyway!
    All they want now is angst, angst existential fucking angst. Swans are good for existential angst.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 28 2001, @12:56PM (#21878)
  • i love moz but he can't even hold a candle to brett anderson's looks singing or song writing im sure now moz feels very stupid for that remark he made abot brett. face it brett has a label and moz doesin't suede rules moz may be brilliant but brett is a god
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 28 2001, @11:20PM (#21897)
  • If anything, Hatful was a documentary....it illustrated how 4 extremely talented people could play essentially live, without a huge equipment budget.....Hatful also gave listeners the progress of the Smiths.......from something like Handsome Devil to Heaven Knows...
    Anonymous -- Thursday November 29 2001, @02:45PM (#21906)
  • whats all that about?. suede r very awesome for a 90s band - remind of smiths and bowie, not a bad combination i s'pose.
    Anonymous -- Sunday December 02 2001, @03:00PM (#22007)
  • Let's name all the covers Morrissey has sung, both with The Smiths and as a solo singer:

    Cosmic Dancer, Trash, Work is a Four Letter Word, Golden Lights, That's Entertainment, Drive-In Saturday, East West, Skin Storm, Moon River, Interlude, Insatiable One, What's The World?, (Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame, and I Want a Boy for My Birthday.

    Has anyone else done so many covers? This Suede site seems to have overlooked all the covers except the Suede song!
    Matt Smith -- Monday December 03 2001, @02:08AM (#22014)
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    Oh god, how much longer?

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