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davidt
on Monday August 06 2001, @10:00AM
Here's an idea I had, and that is all it is for now. Since the beginning of this site (over 4 years ago) I have been running this site on my own time and out of my own pocket, which at this point I can handle. I would like to see the site support itself, eventually, though. In the past I have made announcements of Morrissey-related events that people have sent for free. However, there are some cases which are borderline - and in some cases I feel some people are taking advantage of the free advertisement (not in the case of the 2 events mentioned below). I assume people are making some money from these events somewhere, but I have no idea who or how much. I don't have a lot of time as it is, but mentioning these events does take some time, especially if formatting / images need to be included. So my idea is to charge a small amount for ads, which would go towards the costs of running this site. Non-profit / special events I would still post for free. Let me know if you have any ideas on this subject, what do you think is fair? The format of the site would hardly change, I would perhaps create a section (like "Features") called "Ads" and you can exclude them if you wish.
Dave writes: Friday 10th August The Star & Garter, Fairfield St (behind Piccadilly station), Manchester 10pm - 2am £2 before 10:30 then £3 Still going strong after 7 years, playing all your favourites and "Driving Your Girlfriend Home" --- Tony writes: Morrissey/Smiths Night Friday, August 24, 2001 9pm to 2am UPSTAIRS at Delilah's 2771 North Lincoln Avenue Chicago, Illinois 21 + $3 cover
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I understand... (Score:1)
Although I was thinking that since you've obviuosly helped out Morrissey over the last few years by letting people know of his concert tours, he should find it in his heart to donate some of his own money to this site. After all, if it wasn't for you, no-one would have known of his 1999 Tour and he in turn wouldn't of made any money. Anyway, that's just my humble opinion. Let the insults land where they may...
(User #1115 Info)
it's fairly obvious.... (Score:0)
I agree! (Score:1)
(User #264 Info)
The DJ Who Cried Moz (Score:1)
The only thing I'm against is when people use the Moz-solo exposure to decieve people... (e.g. calling their event a Smiths/Moz night but only playing a few random Smiths tunes here & there) I've been to events like this publicized on Moz-solo & was pretty upset.
I'm going to be doing a genuine Moz/Smiths night here in NYC very soon... & I would probably pay David if that's the way he decides to run things. The only thing I'm afraid of is the possibility that through adjusting some preferences, people may not see my announcement... which would be a shame because my event would certainly be genuine & worthwhile.
-c
(User #1308 Info | http://www.facebook.com/djceremony)
Nevermind all that. . . (Score:1)
Oh and, charging people to advertise on your site would be understandable... I mean the amount of hits you must get a day is, surely, above average for an unofficial (although, it doesn't feel like that) website. Just as long as you charge the right people and not those who actually need all the publicity they can get.
Just a thought.
(User #2115 Info)
good idea... (Score:1)
(User #1665 Info | http://www.cherryplucker.com/)
Moz Money (Score:2, Interesting)
I know that some bands have turned to fans with really good pages in order to create an "official presence." But I have to disagree 100 percent with anyone saying that Morrissey should contribute to keep the site up. David T. could lose some of his independence that way. Particluarly when it comes to posting links to unheard tracks or that "South With Morrissey" debacle. I like my information uncensored. Secondly, I like the fact the content here is fan-generated. I think that is very romantic. It would, however, be cool if Morrissey contributed the occasional "Hello" to the fans via the site. A recent photo, would be nice. He never calls, he doesn't write--We worry.
(User #1858 Info)
Adding my view... (Score:1)
And, I've seen so many official sites, mostly run by record companies or 'spokepersons'... i like Morrissey-Solo as it is now - feel free to contribute, Morrissey, if you have something new to tell.
(User #357 Info | http://www.krix-s.de/morrissey.htm)
This site is powered by electric fans! (Score:1)
(User #3198 Info)
In theory yes, but...... (Score:1)
I don't know if you anticipated the kind of growth you've acheived when ou started down this road four years ago or not, but I'm guessing you didn't. There are other revenue generators available to you like making it a membership site and charging anual fees, but obviously that would go over like a led balloon here. I personally would be willing to pay. Even it is a few dollars per, with over three thousand members and growing, it would certainly go along way towards compensation for your time. Just a (very unpopular, i'm sure) thought.
I must agree with "Xhris" on the thought of having Morrissey contribute. This is one of the finest examples of a fan based site in the history of the web, and his involvement would only jeapordize what goes on here. I do believe, however, that Morrissey already does contribute to this site. If there were a website devoted to my lifes work, I would almost certainly visit it often. Some of us have quite possibly responded to a Morrissey comment or even argued with him here over the years. Such is the blessing/curse of the anonymous world wide web.
In closing this novella, I hope that whatever you decide to do, you are able to keep the site moving forward. You have my sincerest thanks for all the news and information you have provided me with over the years.
[email protected]
(User #3007 Info)
Moz Night Chicago (Score:0)
members only (Score:1)
I think it would discourage the loafers who like to come in & call others, which would be no bad thing.
I think also that by being a member we all would feel more responsible & a greater part of this site.
Well that's me 2 penneth
Love
Grim O'Grady
(User #1471 Info | http://www.tiggerlovesitsy.mcmail.com/moztrade.html)
Please, please, please... (Score:1)
(User #2747 Info)
Hazards View (Score:0)
The UK adverts are blatent steps to obtain free publicity. Believe me, I know that if these people advertised in the free newspaper ads, for instance, they could end up paying around 50 quid per time for the privelege. These 50's all add up.
Finally, I would like to add a comment about the site in that it's unique and very honest style of reporting both major and minor stories and all the Morrissey related events, makes visiting David's site such a wonderful pleasure for me.
Hazard
Go for it.... (Score:1)
Another option would be to (as others have suggested) make Morrissey-Solo a member supported site, but in a way that wouldn't prevent non-members from visiting/using the site. Members, for example, could be granted special priviledges such as posting comments, using the Forums, etc. Or you could even perhaps sell items such as t-shirts, stickers, mouse pads, coffee mugs, etc. I've actually thought about doing that and then donating all the money to Morrissey-Solo, but never went ahead with it because I wasn't sure how you (David) would feel about it -- copyright and all.
As for those suggestions that Morrissey should also contribute financially, that's terrible. David created this site of his own free will. Morrissey never asked him to do this for him. This is a fan site -- and a damn good one, too -- and we must remember that. If it were an official site, that'd be different.
What about your (David's) previous suggestion/thought on splitting up some of the maintenance duties here? I personally would be willing to help out with whatever I can.
(User #69 Info)
Great Idea (Score:1)
(User #3054 Info)
Contributions to the cause (Score:1)
I like the idea of a membership. It could be like PBS where it is completely voluntary. I like the idea of a t-shirt or a coffee mug coming with a membership.
Maybe for the price of a membership, David could get Moz to give us a quality copy of those unreleased tracks, kinda like the way the Beatles used to release Christmas singles to their fan club members (oh to dream...)
(User #134 Info)
I like it the way it is. (Score:0)
Please, no ads! Especially pop-up ads!
But if you do decide to charge money for ads,
I wouldn't blame you. And I'd still keep on coming here.
Well I Wonder (Score:1)
His signing sessions in LA en NY, without you
mentioning this, so ? [you know what I mean]
Yeah I think Morrissey should get his checkbook
and gave you a good financial bonus for all
the work and promoting and good work for him.
Another thing is it's very difficult to draw the line, and I guess favours will be asked a lot,
so my point is, it will give you a lot more trouble than pleasure.
It's okay with me to ask for money , to everyone,
split this webpage in a free and member zone .
You don't have to ask a lot of money to be
a member, let's say, about 10$ a year or abouts.
My point is that you should do more with multimedia, I mean where we can see and hear
all his videao's and songs, some live songs
and video's.
Look to Placebo's W page, or Suede's W page,
why not here, we all know this is the nr.1
Morrissey webpage.
Even for the current state of this page I'm
willing to pay.
Again, no offence David, I hope you know I really
admire what you do, and your dedication, but
my point is that it is difficult to draw the line.
Can you say no the Moz convention, if they're not
willing to give you money?
I think you should get the money you definately
earn for this site via another way, this will
only get you into trouble and problems.
Just sharing.
(User #220 Info)
One more vote for ads (Score:1)
(User #758 Info | http://www.sweetandtenderhooligans.com/)
Yes... (Score:0)
Not only do you deserve some compensation for your time in publicizing (profitable) events...but having the ads in one area, like a directory, would make it easier for people to browse rather that going through blocks of news stories.
jg
oxoxo
P.S. No pop-ups though, please. This is one site where I can breathe easy about that.
Ads are okay! (Score:1)
(User #2713 Info)
Paypal? (Score:1)
Do you have a paypal account or some other means by which members could shell out a few $? I'm sure there are enough kind people on this site to make it worth your while. Perhaps you could offer morrissey-solo.com email addresses for a modest fee?
(User #360 Info)
This idea wouldn't change the site at all (Score:1)
As for a paying members site, well I don't even have a credit card so that'd be me out.But i'm certain that David would never dream of such a thing.
Thank's once again for everything you do here.
(User #2426 Info)
Yes: Paypal (Score:1)
Some UK people here will from time to time look at a UK based pop-gossip site which, about 4 months ago was having serious problems with a crashing server. They launched a "server appeal" and it took about 3 weeks or so to raise a few thousand pounds. As a "reward", users got some stickers (which were nice to have but unnecessary) and got a gold star by their name once they had posted.
Now, I can see that this may give rise to some problems. People who have donated money might feel that they have some say over the way DavidT runs his site. There might be some question as to how you distinguish between money which goes to subsidise the running costs of the site, and money that goes into DavidT's pocket. People might feel that the use of stars to identify donors was divisive.
Personally, I think that these downsides are minimal, when compared to the ease and simplicity of the volunatary contribution route.
David: please launch an appeal. I'd give £50 to it tomorrow.
(User #256 Info)
Davidt, you are too kind (Score:2, Funny)
I am fully amazed that davidt has kept this website up for so long at such a high level of quality. I know there are other fine websites out there, but truly none that demand bi-weekly updates, none that are for such a niche group of folks.
Davidt must have done some really bad shit in his youth that out of guilt he does as much as he does for us.
Charging for content that are in effect are ads is so innocuous, so below the radar of actual advertising, I have to wonder about some of you who even have to weigh its effect.
Please charge for these events if it helps you, and also sign up those X10 people while you are at it and just picture that gap ad for the smiths on your site, certainly there are some decent advertising markets for m-solo.
I know, I know, I too think its great that this site is as non-profit as it is, it’s beyond beautiful that at no point are we being coerced or sold to while within M-solo boundaries. That’s why to me M-solo is more a testament to the countless hours of labor of one davidt then it is to even Morrissey. This is the root of the end of M-solo, because at some point the adulation and appreciation from us pessimistic misanthropes is going to lose its allure to davidt, if it hasn’t already, and God help us when that happens. Then davidt will see us for what we are, a mob of selfish hermits who sap his precious life away in order for us to make ourselves happy. Then he will rightfully shut down M-solo and we will be all forced to go visit the troubled MLU club
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/morrisseylovesus
Now who wants that?
Nobody, so lets instead for once do something for davidt. What should we do? - Well what makes a man happy? Two things:
Money & Thai hookers
Certainly lets not gripe if he advertises on this site, but lets go even further and give him money or something else. I know he will protest, be modest and say he doesn’t want it, which is fine, but I think we have an obligation to do something for davidt.
On Amazon they have this thing where for a few minutes worth of time you can set up a little account that people could donate to which could then be dispersed to davidt. This best solution would be for davidt to do this so he gets the money directly. The lesser solution is someone who is trust worthy does it, I would do it, really I am not preaching and avoiding work, its just I am sure there are better people you would trust to give your money to than me. So this person collects the money through Amazon or pen pal and then transfers it to davidt. Simple enough. Or maybe when davidt is visiting Yemen, the Yemenite M-solo members can share their hut with them. I don’t know what the solution is. All I know, if you don’t care of the people make things work sooner or later you have problems.
Look at the breakup of the Smiths, look at the British Empire, the French Revolution, and on and on and on.
(User #215 Info)
Put Ads! (Score:1)
If placing ads helps you to continue providing this great service to all of us, I say go for it. And truly, I could care the less what the ads are for! You've been dedicated to all of us, I think at the very least you shouldn't have to be shelling it out on your own!
Leigh
(User #1007 Info)
Money (Score:1)
ps. I don't think Moz is the right person to hit up for cash (hahahaha).
I think enough of us are offering to help you out, honestly, I know some of us would not mind.
- EAlvin
(User #725 Info)
Hazards View 2 (Score:0)
I'd be happy to send over a yearly subscription
fee. ((For that, I would expect GREATSEA's comments to be removed from the forums ! - is that TOO much to ask for ?))
From the UK, it would be easier for
people in the UK (and me) to send over some US dollars directly to a US postal address or PO Box.
Something like 20 dollars a year seems a fair amount - Does anyone else agree ?
Hazard
ads (Score:0)
New Poll (Score:1)
a. Donations
b. Banner Ads
c. Pop-up Ads
d. Charging for the Site
e. Moz Paying for the Site
f. Dave T eat the cost.
I'll go with A. Keep the site the way it is, The Paypal idea was genius. Let me know where to go to contribute.
Also, thank you for the site. It is greatly appreciated.
(User #953 Info | http://randumbs.blogspot.com/)
Sweet & Tender Hooligans UK tour (Score:0)
The real winners here are the venues involved, they will make money, whatever!
sponsoring (Score:0)
I find that to be rather easy. But I don't know if that's technically feasible.